Finally. Good riddance to Obamacare.

[tytlyf]

You know, it's not the idea of healthcare itself. Its the way it's structured.

Structured? You mean free market?

 

[pondsbb]

Structured? You mean free market?

Force fed? That is the way I see it. No forced situation has any dignity to it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Structured? You mean free market?

No. The forced purchase of a service.

That's not a free market.

 

[metis]

It seems right now more are concerned with affordability and ease of access with legality taking second stage it seems since its enactment by Obama as this is far from affordable.

There was a gallop poll putting it at 72 percent, but it's been awhile since then.


Gallup poll: 72 percent of Americans call individual mandate ‘unconstitutional’

I don't think that 72% of the American public are constitutional experts. BTW, many things are mandated that essentially fall into a quasi-tax situation.

BTW, up until this last year, the ACA actually reduced the medical inflation rate by roughly half, and it's really an unknown how much more might have been saved if more of the states would have cooperated. And when the Republicans controlled both houses of Congress and the presidency for four years, what did they do? Nothing except pass Medicare Plan D, and that they threw on the budget deficit by refusing to pay for it.

 

[Koldo]

No. The forced purchase of a service.

That's not a free market.

Without the forced purchase, how do you propose it to be funded ?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Without the forced purchase, how do you propose it to be funded ?

I would personally prefer a tax funded single payer system.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Reality is Republicans are going to put this law where it belongs. In the garbage can.

It would still be easier, and thus more responsible, to fix the ACA from within, but before that, or even repealing the ACA, to let us know what they are going to do, which is something no Republican has really offered any insights into. Pence offered Indiana's MHS as an idea, but that's it (and if people have a problem with the stipulations the ACA imposes :biglaugh: Just imagine if the Federal is telling us all to get annual physicals and blood work readings and pap smears, and colonoscopies and mammographies for those old enough).

 

[esmith]

Without the forced purchase, how do you propose it to be funded ?

I think the statement was that forcing someone to pay is not free market and had nothing to do with how it is funded.

 

[esmith]

It would still be easier, and thus more responsible, to fix the ACA from within, but before that, or even repealing the ACA, to let us know what they are going to do, which is something no Republican has really offered any insights into. Pence offered Indiana's MHS as an idea, but that's it (and if people have a problem with the stipulations the ACA imposes :biglaugh: Just imagine if the Federal is telling us all to get annual physicals and blood work readings and pap smears, and colonoscopies and mammographies for those old enough).

How about we wait and see what they propose before condemning.
Seems there was no complaining about not knowing what was in the ACA before it became law. I somehow remember a certain Dem saying that you have to pass the bill before you know what's in it. I guess you must not have had any problem with that, why now?

 

[Koldo]

I think the statement was that forcing someone to pay is not free market and had nothing to do with how it is funded.

As far as I understood his posts, he said that what he opposes is the forced purchase of a service, which is why I asked him how he proposes it to be funded.

 

[esmith]

As far as I understood his posts, he said that what he opposes is the forced purchase of a service, which is why I asked him how he proposes it to be funded.

Well to play the devils advocate who pays for your home owners insurance, car insurance, renters insurance, or any other insurance.

 

[Koldo]

Well to play the devils advocate who pays for your home owners insurance, car insurance, renters insurance, or any other insurance.

To be quite honest, they are not really comparable with health insurance.

 

[esmith]

No. The forced purchase of a service.

That's not a free market.

Without the forced purchase, how do you propose it to be funded ?

I think the statement was that forcing someone to pay is not free market and had nothing to do with how it is funded.

As far as I understood his posts, he said that what he opposes is the forced purchase of a service, which is why I asked him how he proposes it to be funded.

I think you misunderstood. Read the above first statement by Nowhere Man
I'll simplify it for you. The forced purchase of a service is not free market.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Without the forced purchase, how do you propose it to be funded ?

Same as funding schools with choices available for privatization through a voucher program with an opt out for those who don't actually need or require health insurance, and allowing free market competition to continue lowering costs, rather than artificial price controls that places undue dependency upon the Goverment to pick up the slack creating bailouts and higher deficits that inevitably will spiral out of control.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

Same as funding schools with choices available for privatization through a voucher program with an opt out for those who don't actually need or require health insurance, and allowing free market competition to continue lowering costs, rather than artificial price controls that places undue dependency upon the Goverment to pick up the slack creating bailouts and higher deficits that inevitably will spiral out of control.

Well some of those things don't exist for schools.

 

[Curious George]

Same as funding schools with choices available for privatization through a voucher program with an opt out for those who don't actually need or require health insurance, and allowing free market competition to continue lowering costs, rather than artificial price controls that places undue dependency upon the Goverment to pick up the slack creating bailouts and higher deficits that inevitably will spiral out of control.

You can opt out of paying taxes that go to fund schools?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How about we wait and see what they propose before condemning.

Wait and see? I got my MHS paperwork telling me to get all that just about a month ago.

Seems there was no complaining about not knowing what was in the ACA before it became law

Bull! We knew what it was going to be before it was passed. I knew a Dutch guy who was gloating about the system, because it's based on the Dutch system, and he was educating anyone and everyone about it.

 

[esmith]

Wait and see? I got my MHS paperwork telling me to get all that just about a month ago.

Bull! We knew what it was going to be before it was passed. I knew a Dutch guy who was gloating about the system, because it's based on the Dutch system, and he was educating anyone and everyone about it.

So you knew you were not going to be able to keep your doctor, that you would not be able to keep your current health plan, that people in many states would have only one provider to choice from, that many doctors would either leave the profession or opt out of the plan.
Wow you really knew more than anyone....aren't you proud.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So you knew you were not going to be able to keep your doctor

that you would not be able to keep your current health plan

I didn't have insurance when the ACA kicked in. So, for me, there was no "keeping," it was only gaining.

that people in many states would have only one provider to choice from

That's pretty much how it'd be under a single payer system, which is what we should be doing.

Wow you really knew more than anyone....aren't you proud.

Keeping up with current events that aren't coming out of an echo chamber and listening to people with relevant experiences is no reason for snide remarks. Are you jealous that I knew things you didn't?

 

[Twilight Hue]

You can opt out of paying taxes that go to fund schools?

If a person is poor. Yes. Still have to file an exemption.

Obamacare, no.

Incidentally, is there a mandatory school insurance I wasn't aware of?