Finally. Good riddance to Obamacare.

[tytlyf]

So, you are saying purchase the plan, pay your premiums and hope you don't have a minor problem because you can't afford a $5k medical bill. OK; however the majority of people do not have medical expenses that reach the deductible therefore they are paying out of their own pocket for their medical bills to pay for those that have major medical bills but still can't afford the deductibles.
Great plan that Obamacare.

it is a great plan. Not covering pre-existing conditions isn't a 'good' plan esmith. I have no deductible and I pay under $100 per month. My plan did increase in cost, but would be a lot more expensive without the ACA.
Face it, republicans are taking advantage of you.

 

[Kemosloby]

Yes I'm sure the debt has to do with Healthcare and roads, which we as a country spend comparatively tiny amounts on, rather than things like bloated defense spending.

Right bloated defense spending to secure the Afghan opium crop so that it does not fall into the wrong hands without a prescription.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yeah right, or it could help put medical freedom into the hands of Americans

If by "medical freedom" you mean the freedom to freely obtain any medications, no, that is something no one should be able to do. Many things cannot even be self-diagnosed, many things have many misconceptions about what will treat them, and it can be very dangerous because most Americans do not have the knowledge even basic things like differences in types of antibiotics, when certain ones can be used, and which ones can be fatal for certain people.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

it is a great plan. Not covering pre-existing conditions isn't a 'good' plan esmith. I have no deductible and I pay under $100 per month. My plan did increase in cost, but would be a lot more expensive without the ACA.
Face it, republicans are taking advantage of you.

I wouldn't call it a great plan, but it did address many of our problems, such as preexisting conditions disqualifying people from coverage and the unacceptable amount of uninsured people we had. However, hands down, if it were a great system we would have switched to a single payer system. Hopefully Trump still supports it, but he hasn't spoken on it for quiet some time, rather just typical Republican rally cry of "repeal and replace" without offering any insights into what they are going to replace it with.

 

[Kemosloby]

If by "medical freedom" you mean the freedom to freely obtain any medications, no, that is something no one should be able to do. Many things cannot even be self-diagnosed, many things have many misconceptions about what will treat them, and it can be very dangerous because most Americans do not have the knowledge even basic things like differences in types of antibiotics, when certain ones can be used, and which ones can be fatal for certain people.

You can keep your engineered medications locked up where they belong, but free up the tried and true things such as carbolic and opium. When people feel it is out of their hands they can freely seek a medical practitioner on their own accord. People aren't stupid, except maybe from watching stupid drug advertisements.

 

[tytlyf]

Republicans have had years to come up with a replacement. They lied over and over about it. They don't want to keep pre-existing conditions because that's the main gripe of the insurance co's. And we all know republicans work for these corporations and not the middle class.

Republicans want to go back to what we had before the ACA.

No pre-existing conditions
Women pay more
Children kicked off parents plans
Medicare/medicaid hit

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You can keep your engineered medications locked up where they belong, but free up the tried and true things such as carbolic and opium. When people feel it is out of their hands they can freely seek a medical practitioner on their own accord. People aren't stupid, except maybe from watching stupid drug advertisements.

While I generally agree with that, the thing is, carbolic itself doesn't do much. You might as well just mix some sea salt and water, which isn't as harsh as many chemical anti-septics.

 

[Kemosloby]

While I generally agree with that, the thing is, carbolic itself doesn't do much. You might as well just mix some sea salt and water, which isn't as harsh as many chemical anti-septics.

I think you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[metis]

People got by before.

God almighty one wonders how people even survived in the old days without all this mucking about on making things "better".

I really don't think it's going to be "nuked" leaving people with no infrastructure whatsoever.

I suspect it will be incrementally phased out giving way to new policies and procedures. Hoping well thought out and planned this time.

First of all, a correction on my figure as it's $350 billion.

And people did not "got by before" as both the Kaiser Family Foundation and the Harvard University studies indicated. Both said that we were losing around 40,000 lives per year because of people not having insurance, and one of my brother-in-laws was one of those.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think you don't know what you're talking about.

Carbolic is used for making mildly anti-septic soap, and as carbolic acid/phenol it too has the antiseptic properties but it's mostly and widely used as an oral analgesic, and does have a toxicity that can be very problematic.

 

[esmith]

it is a great plan. Not covering pre-existing conditions isn't a 'good' plan esmith. I have no deductible and I pay under $100 per month. My plan did increase in cost, but would be a lot more expensive without the ACA.
Face it, republicans are taking advantage of you.

So are you on one of the ACA plans? Don't know where you are getting it but I'm paying over $100 a month with deductibles and a lot of procedures are not covered.
Where do you come up with the idea of not covering pre-existing conditions? LW propaganda sources?

 

[metis]

Republicans want to go back to what we had before the ACA.

No pre-existing conditions
Women pay more
Children kicked off parents plans
Medicare/medicaid hit

Yep, and a lot of people may not have been aware of that unless it affected them. I know two people in my extended family that could not get insurance because they had pre-existing conditions.

One had cancer and was dropped from her insurance (Aetna) and no other insurance company would pick her up. The other is one of my wife's nieces who almost died of a severe asthma attack when a child, and until the ACA, no one would insure her even though both of her parents and her brother were insured.

 

[tytlyf]

So are you on one of the ACA plans? Don't know where you are getting it but I'm paying over $100 a month with deductibles and a lot of procedures are not covered.
Where do you come up with the idea of not covering pre-existing conditions? LW propaganda sources?

I'm on a silver plan. Possibly your state is different. States rights, man..
Republicans don't want pre-existing conditions covered. Which is why they're against the ACA and want to repeal it. Republicans want to go back to system before the ACA, proof of this is the fact they have no replacment plan over all these years.

 

[metis]

I'm on a silver plan. Possibly your state is different. States rights, man..
Republicans don't want pre-existing conditions covered. Which is why they're against the ACA and want to repeal it. Republicans want to go back to system before the ACA, proof of this is the fact they have no replacment plan over all these years.

For four years under "W" Bush, they had the opportunity to come up with something since they controlled both houses and the presidency, and all they did was to pass Medicare Plan D. But instead of financing it, they put it on the deficit.

BTW, speaking of deficit, where's the outrage from the Republicans because their new budget proposal radically increases the deficit. Their silence is deafening.

 

[esmith]

I'm on a silver plan. Possibly your state is different. States rights, man..
Republicans don't want pre-existing conditions covered. Which is why they're against the ACA and want to repeal it. Republicans want to go back to system before the ACA, proof of this is the fact they have no replacment plan over all these years.

My cost has nothing to do with the State. I'm over 65 and on Medicare Part B and it cost me over $100 a month and has deductibles. . Fair?
Well now seems that you are have been listing to the likes of Ezekiel Emanuel and other LW propagandist.
How Trump's health care plan may cover Americans with pre-existing conditions

Now to your comment that you do not have a deductible and cost you only $100 a month.
Seems that you might be being mislead or making a false statement or other factors. Looking at Comparing Exchange Plans I see that the deductible is $2250 medical and $250 prescriptions. Are you saying that Florida has a zero deductible? Now going to Florida I still see that the Silver Plan only covers 70% of the cost. Now it also say's if you qualify for subsides and If you meet the eligibility requirements, the total amount of your annual out-of-pocket costs -- such as deductibles and copays -- will be reduced. So it appears that you may be only paying $100 a month and no deductible but the persons who are paying full price are paying for you along with the taxpayers.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Can you show me that most people preferred not having insurance? Once again, the mandate was a Republican idea because a public option or subsidized plan would need money to function and a not mandate version would cripple any attempt to change what was a severe problem in the US. And, just like if you're a walker you still must pay for roads, recognizing Healthcare as a community issue was so paramount that, I repeat, Obamacare was a Republican bill via Romney.

I hate this Republican bill b.s. that's always at the forefront. Republicans threw it out and personally, I would say it's a RINO bill, not Republican by a long shot.

No Republican would ever put up with a plan that forces people to pay up any private sector service like insurance literally at gunpoint for a free people.

It's a Socialist Democrat Bill. No Republican supported this on a federal level.

This needs to be put to rest imv.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I hate this Republican bill b.s. that's always at the forefront. Republicans threw it out and personally, I would say it's a RINO bill, not Republican by a long shot.

No Republican would ever put up with a plan that forces people to pay up any private sector service like insurance literally at gunpoint for a free people.

It's a Socialist Democrat Bill. No Republican supported this on a federal level.

This needs to be put to rest imv.

Sure, no 'real' Republicans (NTS). Except you know... Bush, Dole, Gingrich, and even Santorum (who denies it now, of course) and a dozen Republican senators. It's only a bad idea if it's a dem's idea. Even if it's the same idea, and one that Republicans put forward first. And we're wholly willing to execute except Romney didn't get the ticket and Obama is 'the enemy.' Bunch of manchildren, those guys.

 

[suncowiam]

I hate this Republican bill b.s. that's always at the forefront. Republicans threw it out and personally, I would say it's a RINO bill, not Republican by a long shot.

No Republican would ever put up with a plan that forces people to pay up any private sector service like insurance literally at gunpoint for a free people.

It's a Socialist Democrat Bill. No Republican supported this on a federal level.

This needs to be put to rest imv.

No Scotsman would do this either.

 

[tytlyf]

I hate this Republican bill b.s. that's always at the forefront. Republicans threw it out and personally, I would say it's a RINO bill, not Republican by a long shot.

No Republican would ever put up with a plan that forces people to pay up any private sector service like insurance literally at gunpoint for a free people.

It's a Socialist Democrat Bill. No Republican supported this on a federal level.

This needs to be put to rest imv.

Tons of republicans voted for it and it was ruled constitutional. Why are you a corporate apologist? You'd be angry knowing some of the things you pay taxes for, healthcare shouldn't be one of them.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'm curious to hear what percentage of Obamacare supporters you feel actually fall into that category. A lot of people that support are people who wouldn't have insurance otherwise.

For the record, I'm not a fan of what Obamacare ended up being...not by a long shot. Public option is my preferred choice.

I'd like to know too.

Its not any secret that a lot of people still regard the mandate as unconstitutional in spite of the supreme court's determination on the grounds that the mandate is a tax. I'd still to this day would like to know how they came up with that conclusion.

I dunno exact numbers but it's shady and an egregious usurping of the constitution itself that deprives people of personal choices as to weither to have coverage or not, without penalty, and further saddles a perpetual debt that cannot ever be paid in full. Ever. That dosent sound like something a free society should have to endure.

It sets a presidence for further abuse involving things that go beyond insurance and healthcare issues.

It seems right now more are concerned with affordability and ease of access with legality taking second stage it seems since its enactment by Obama as this is far from affordable.

There was a gallop poll putting it at 72 percent, but it's been awhile since then.


Gallup poll: 72 percent of Americans call individual mandate ‘unconstitutional’