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Finally. Good riddance to Obamacare.

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
It already is a right to the extent a person cannot be refused essential healthcare that threatens life and limb regardless of insurance. Long before Obama enacted all this by force.
I wouldn't be able to see my physician without Obamacare! People like you would just make me go to the ER for everything, not be able to take my medication and get hit with $700-$1,000 bills for every visit! That's how I lived before Obamacare gave me health insurance! Step into reality, man!
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Uh, there was a huge health crisis and America had one of the worst health coverage statistics in the Western world, with millions of people who couldn't afford any sort of health care. Hence why both democrats and republicans acknowledged the need for a healthcare reform.
Or maybe millions of Americans didn't think the health insurance was worth the price so the government stepped in and forced them to pay for it.
 

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
Those who have no qualms about supporting a draconian law extorting money out of people via mandate who already themselves have trouble making ends meet who themselves don't qualify for Obamacare because they supposedly have "wheelbarrows" of money to burn.

Imo.
I'm curious to hear what percentage of Obamacare supporters you feel actually fall into that category. A lot of people that support are people who wouldn't have insurance otherwise.

For the record, I'm not a fan of what Obamacare ended up being...not by a long shot. Public option is my preferred choice.
 

pondsbb

Member
Free will to purchase does not, however, give you the money to purchase. And I suppose any good Christian would emulate Jesus by saying, "if you can't afford insurance, you should just die." You really shouldn't care about poor people -- that's what Jesus is for, eh? He'll provide for them in heaven after they've kicked the bucket -- of course, that may leave the surviving family in a bit of a bind, but what's that got to do with healthcare, after all?
Yes and if they don't have the money for it they also get taxed for not buying it. The plans at the bottom of the ladder are horrible with high deductible and little to no coverage.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
No, they had laudnum for a painkiller, which is alcohol and opium, carbolic to kill any infection, bandages, and the body takes care of the rest.
No? Are you actually denying heroine, cocaine, and morphine were widely used for just about everything, even being available OTC?

 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It still doesn't seem like people are aware it's much easier to change a bill than pass a new one. For that reason the ACA shouldn't be scrapped, but tweaked from within to improve it. But Republicans have become so partisan that won't happen because it will always bear Obama's name, and I won't be surprised if we get nothing to replace it and get stuck with what we had before.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Yes and if they don't have the money for it they also get taxed for not buying it. The plans at the bottom of the ladder are horrible with high deductible and little to no coverage.
Any plans are better than no plans. The mid range plans are affordable as well. The private insurance companies are price gouging people to cover their 'pre-existing conditions' mandate. If you have a $5k deductible, that's better than paying $20k for a basic procedure.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
No? Are you actually denying heroine, cocaine, and morphine were widely used for just about everything, even being available OTC?
Not on the show Rawhide, though there was an episode where the words Opium Den were written on the side of a wagon and Barbara Eden did an exotic belly dance.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Not on the show Rawhide,
So? We also used to use mercury for medicine, bloodlet, and shock people for just about everything. Just because we used something back then doesn't actually mean it was sound, wise, or healthy.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
So? We also used to use mercury for medicine, bloodlet, and shock people for just about everything. Just because we used something back then doesn't actually mean it was sound, wise, or healthy.
No, i believe carbolic and laudnum were very sound medicine.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Or maybe millions of Americans didn't think the health insurance was worth the price so the government stepped in and forced them to pay for it.
Can you show me that most people preferred not having insurance? Once again, the mandate was a Republican idea because a public option or subsidized plan would need money to function and a not mandate version would cripple any attempt to change what was a severe problem in the US. And, just like if you're a walker you still must pay for roads, recognizing Healthcare as a community issue was so paramount that, I repeat, Obamacare was a Republican bill via Romney.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
No, i believe carbolic and laudnum were very sound medicine.
Just because you believe it doesn't make it true. Carbolic is a mild antiseptic--hence its common use in soap--and laudnum is basically diluted opium tincture, and available still via prescription--but we can't use it for everything because opium has a very high risk of dependency and abuse and it can cause much destruction, pain, and suffering for the user and friends, family, coworkers, and anyone else close.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Can you show me that most people preferred not having insurance? Once again, the mandate was a Republican idea because a public option or subsidized plan would need money to function and a not mandate version would cripple any attempt to change what was a severe problem in the US. And, just like if you're a walker you still must pay for roads, recognizing Healthcare as a community issue was so paramount that, I repeat, Obamacare was a Republican bill via Romney.
That the government needed to mandate health insurance proves that people chose not to carry insurance at the current pricing. But rather than lower prices the healthcare industry, with the help of the government, forced anyone they could to purchase health insurance to cover the high costs of healthcare. Road funding could be as corrupt and wrong as mandatory healthcare, they try to tell us gas taxes go towards roads but it seems like money never goes to what it was intended for. So what is your answer? To make more of what already doesn't work so well.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Just because you believe it doesn't make it true. Carbolic is a mild antiseptic--hence its common use in soap--and laudnum is basically diluted opium tincture, and available still via prescription--but we can't use it for everything because opium has a very high risk of dependency and abuse and it can cause much destruction, pain, and suffering for the user and friends, family, coworkers, and anyone else close.
Yeah right, or it could help put medical freedom into the hands of Americans and undermine the Heath industry Milch cow. Milch Cow is another term you'd learn from watching Rawhide.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Any plans are better than no plans. The mid range plans are affordable as well. The private insurance companies are price gouging people to cover their 'pre-existing conditions' mandate. If you have a $5k deductible, that's better than paying $20k for a basic procedure.
So, you are saying purchase the plan, pay your premiums and hope you don't have a minor problem because you can't afford a $5k medical bill. OK; however the majority of people do not have medical expenses that reach the deductible therefore they are paying out of their own pocket for their medical bills to pay for those that have major medical bills but still can't afford the deductibles.
Great plan that Obamacare.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
That the government needed to mandate health insurance proves that people chose not to carry insurance at the current pricing. But rather than lower prices the healthcare industry, with the help of the government, forced anyone they could to purchase health insurance to cover the high costs of healthcare. Road funding could be as corrupt and wrong as mandatory healthcare, they try to tell us gas taxes go towards roads but it seems like money never goes to what it was intended for. So what is your answer? To make more of what already doesn't work so well.
No, it shows that people chose not to (or had no choice but to not have) insurance at the previous pricing. Many people including some on this thread can attest to being unable to afford insurance prior to ACA but could after ACA, and wanted insurance but couldn't afford it previously.

Can you show me how the tax money isn't going in the proper reciprocal amounts to it?
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
No, it shows that people chose not to (or had no choice but to not have) insurance at the previous pricing. Many people including some on this thread can attest to being unable to afford insurance prior to ACA but could after ACA, and wanted insurance but couldn't afford it previously.

Can you show me how the tax money isn't going in the proper reciprocal amounts to it?

You're like talking to a wall. Maybe the 17 trillion in debt will come crashing down and you'll see what pays for roads and what goes into politicians pockets.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
You're like talking to a wall. Maybe the 17 trillion in debt will come crashing down and you'll see what pays for roads and what goes into politicians pockets.
Yes I'm sure the debt has to do with Healthcare and roads, which we as a country spend comparatively tiny amounts on, rather than things like bloated defense spending.
 
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