First Gospel?

[vijeno]

Who wrote first, Mark, Matthew or Luke?

How about Marcion? (I have a video about Marcian priority in my queue, no joke, but haven't found time to watch it yet.)

Seriously,I heard the most convincing arguments for Mark. Just on the face of it, it is the simplest and least myth-ified one, which makes it a likely candidate. Matthew being the second candidate. There are some serious scholars in favour of Mt priority.

I'd have to look it all up to take part in a detailed debate though, this is just off the top of my head.

I would like to know the gospel of Paul. Damn *******, how dare he never write one?

As for Q, sure - but when we talk about "the oldest gospel", I presume we talk about the oldest one we actually possess.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

As for Q, sure - ...

Or not.

 

[vijeno]

Or not.

Sure. As long as we're talking about extant gospels, it doesn't matter.

 

[Rival]

Sure. As long as we're talking about extant gospels, it doesn't matter.

Q is s hypothesis, not even a theory. It's facing a lot of backlash.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

As long as we're talking about extant gospels, it doesn't matter.

wow

 

[vijeno]

Q is s hypothesis, not even a theory. It's facing a lot of backlash.

I'm not sure about "a lot", but yeah. The question was never quite settled, and it never will be. That is just how studies of ancient texts often go, I'm afraid.

Going back tothe original question: As far as extant gospels, it's probably Mk. I can't see a lot wrong with the idea that there might have been written precursors, which were lost. But we can't really say that they existed, unless we find them.

Regardless of whether I think Q existed or not, I just love the ingenuity behind the concept. I find it extremely entertaining, of nothing else.

I would LOVE for someone to argue for Marcion though!

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I would LOVE for someone to argue for Marcion though!

May I ask why? For what it's worth ...

The Gospel of Marcion, called by its adherents the Gospel of the Lord, or more commonly the Gospel, was a text used by the mid-2nd-century Christian teacher Marcion of Sinope to the exclusion of the other gospels. The majority of scholars agree that this gospel was a later revised version of the Gospel of Luke,[2] though several involved arguments for Marcion priority have been put forward in recent years. [source]​

 

[vijeno]

May I ask why?

Sure! I heard of it once in a video, but I was too lazy or too busy with something else or whatever to investigate it, and I always like me a good fringe theory. At worst, it's something to laugh and shake my head, at best I get to learn a little bit more about Marcion.

 

[Will Due]

First Gospel?​

Under influence of Paul-the Antichrist (together with his associates and the Church) hiding the truthful Gospel of Yeshua, right?

Regards

Well I suppose it could be looked at that way. And knowing in advance that his true teachings would be hidden, is perhaps why Jesus once said:

"I declare to you that there is nothing covered up that is not going to be revealed; there is nothing hidden that shall not be known."

 

[paarsurrey]

First Gospel?

(Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah never gave Gospel any numbers, so he is not at fault, right, please?
There is no harm in remembering that (Jesus)Yeshua was neither a Pauline-Christian nor from the stock of Judah aka a Jew, right, please?

Regards

 

[YoursTrue]

First Gospel?

(Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah never gave Gospel any numbers, so he is not at fault, right, please?
There is no harm in remembering that (Jesus)Yeshua was neither a Pauline-Christian nor from the stock of Judah aka a Jew, right, please?

Regards

Are you saying he was not a Jew? Or are you asking if he was a Jew?

 

[TheFragranceOfHoliness]

Who wrote first, Mark, Matthew or Luke?

Is Mark really Peter's memories as put down by a scribe?

Which do you prefer?

The Holy Ghost.

 

[paarsurrey]

Are you saying he was not a Jew? Or are you asking if he was a Jew?

He was an Israelite not a Jew.

Regards

 

[YoursTrue]

He was an Israelite not a Jew.

Regards

Oh. Ok. Thank you for expressing yourself. I'll look into that...

 

[YoursTrue]

He was an Israelite not a Jew.

Regards

I don't know what source you are using, but
According to the Bible, yes, Jesus was a Jew; he was born into a Jewish family, lived in a Jewish region, worshipped in Jewish synagogues, and followed Jewish practices, making his identity as a Jew central to his life and teachings as described in the scriptures.

 

[paarsurrey]

First Gospel?

(Jesus)Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah never gave Gospel any numbers, so he is not at fault, right, please?
There is no harm in remembering that (Jesus)Yeshua was neither a Pauline-Christian nor from the stock of Judah aka a Jew, right, please?

He (Jesus) was an Israelite not a Jew.

I don't know what source you are using, but
According to the Bible, yes, Jesus was a Jew; he was born into a Jewish family, lived in a Jewish region, worshipped in Jewish synagogues, and followed Jewish practices, making his identity as a Jew central to his life and teachings as described in the scriptures.

Didn't he (Jesus) say for the Judaism people as per the "Berean Standard Bible* Jesus replied, 'A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.' ", so he (Jesus) was an Israelite , never a "Jew" right, please??!

* Matthew 12:39

Right?

Regards

 

[YoursTrue]

First Gospel?




Didn't he (Jesus) say for the Judaism people as per the "Berean Standard Bible* Jesus replied, 'A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.' ", so he (Jesus) was an Israelite , never a "Jew" right, please??!

* Matthew 12:39

Right?

Regards

Jesus was born of a Jewish mother. Raised according to Jewish custom. Went to synagogue. There is nothing to suggest he was not a Jew.