Flood Evidences — revised

[Hockeycowboy]

You mean you have no information about flash frozen animals?

Where do you think they are? On top of the ground?

They’re in the permafrost and muck fields of Siberia, Canada and Alaska...

Yukagir mammoth - Wikipedia

Who are the hunters of rare mammoth tusks in Russia?

...and in the Northern seas...

Who are the hunters of rare mammoth tusks in Russia?

More to come....

 

[sooda]

Where do you think they are? On top of the ground?

They’re in the permafrost and muck fields of Siberia, Canada and Alaska...

Yukagir mammoth - Wikipedia

Who are the hunters of rare mammoth tusks in Russia?

...and in the Northern seas...

Who are the hunters of rare mammoth tusks in Russia?

More to come....

Why are they calling the mammoth a fossil?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Where do you think they are? On top of the ground?

They’re in the permafrost and muck fields of Siberia, Canada and Alaska...

Yukagir mammoth - Wikipedia

Who are the hunters of rare mammoth tusks in Russia?

...and in the Northern seas...

Who are the hunters of rare mammoth tusks in Russia?

More to come....

They are all very recent geologically. Where else would they be?

That does not support your myth since that is where we would find them regardless of model.

 

[sooda]

They are all very recent geologically. Where else would they be?

That does not support your myth since that is where we would find them regardless of model.

Imagine how surprised they were to find this.

Mammoth remains found in Nafud Desert | Arab News
www.arabnews.com/node/1196831/saudi-arabia
Mammoth remains found in Nafud Desert. JEDDAH: The Saudi Geological Survey (SGS) discovered the remnants of tusks, ribs, and forearms of a small mammoth in the Nafud Desert, east of the town of Tayma, noting that the discovered parts represent 84 percent of the mammoth. The official spokesman of the SGS, Tareq Aba Al-Kheil,...

 

[Subduction Zone]

Imagine how surprised they were to find this.

Mammoth remains found in Nafud Desert | Arab News
www.arabnews.com/node/1196831/saudi-arabia
Mammoth remains found in Nafud Desert. JEDDAH: The Saudi Geological Survey (SGS) discovered the remnants of tusks, ribs, and forearms of a small mammoth in the Nafud Desert, east of the town of Tayma, noting that the discovered parts represent 84 percent of the mammoth. The official spokesman of the SGS, Tareq Aba Al-Kheil,...

Yes, the Wiki article showed that the range of mammoths was much larger than the frozen mammoth finds.

 

[Audie]

You guys really don’t deeply think on the evidence, do you?

Why, and how, did those vast herds of grazing animals in the extreme Northern latitudes, freeze so quickly?!!

Why have huge herds of frozen grazers, been discovered in the extreme north? How would they even survive those low temps.?

The vapor canopy above the Earth provided for a warmer atmosphere than we now have. A greenhouse effect. It was still cold in the Arctic — cold enough for ice to form in certain areas — but warm enough for those herds to thrive.

But once the Flood began, the canopy vapor / water was released, and the greenhouse effect was lost....the northern latitudes were plunged into ice, freezing those animals.
k!

People who do think notice a few problems.

Lets go through some...
"Vast" is a (deliberately) vague term. Biologists
like to think in terms of population density.

There is little or no actual data to go by, so it
is entirely speculative how numerous the creatures
were.


Why have huge herds of frozen
grazers, been discovered

Thinkers will think to ask, why do you
ask this question? No such has been discovered;
any claim you may be making to the contrary is
simply false.

As I recall, it is around fifty frozen mammoth carcasses
that have been found. They range to about 30,000
years different in age. Only a very few are close to
complete, most are fragments. All are in varying
states of decay, producing a "sickening stench"
when thawed.

freeze so quickly?

Who besides you and mr woo woo says they
froze fast? They stayed unfrozen long enough
to get pretty ripe. Thinking people think of such
things.
Many of the mammoth carcasses show that they
were scavenged.
How does that fit with your story, the wolves / bears
foxes etc were not bothered by this quick freeze and
muck-flood.


There is a reasonably intact longhorn bison at
the University of Alaska,from a carcass found
in dredging operation.

What "herds"? What animals?
Lets see some data, instead of your brush
strokes and phony facts.

How would they even survive those low temps.?

We dont know what low temps you refer to. The
flash freese temp? The temp of the arctic today?
During the pleistcene?

Muskoxen, caribou and moose live well above
the arctic circle today, in temperatures that may
go to 70 below.

Why do you ask? Are you claiming that mammoths
etc could not live in deep cold?

Standing by for you to respond with
EVIDENCE, not empty words.

Pick any one of those empty claims
you made and back it up. haha
Like you could.

 

[Audie]

Thanks for the "win" Scoda, but, one
lil prob is that a true Creo can never
sit still long enough to have any of their
claims examined in detail.

None of those will be either. It is as one
put it, like chasing a squirrel through the
treetops.

Cold, if not flash-freeze comfort is to be
found it that, though, in that it is an unwitting
but tacit admission that they have no data,
no facts, and their "interpretations" are
facile and childish.

True to form, hock will not stand behind
any of his claims and duke it out.

 

[Audie]

I am wondering if it is the case that
the creo is actually incapable of thought,
or if it is a complete failure of nerve that
prevents it.

IF a floodie actually did study, and actually
did think, there would soon be a great
crisis of faith! To be avoided at all costs, that!

Some of our floodies are apparently insane.
The "flood water to Neptune" guy, for example.

I talked to one fellow who denied there had
been an ice age / continental glaciation.

Eskers,terminal morraines, glacial erratics,
glacial striae?

Those are all from polar ice that floated
about in the flood.

Another-

Why is there ancient polar ice, if there
was a flood? It floated up, was held in place
by the circumpolar current, and settled back
down.

On that one, I actually got him to look at a
topo map of Antarctica, and he saw that it
would be tough to set the ice back into the
valleys and over the peaks.

SO! THEN, he realized that the ice did not
float because, it is stuck down! I calculated
the buoyancy per square foot, of ice five miles
thick. Whatever it came to, it is immense.
But, nope,it was stuck down. How do glaciers
move if they are stuck down did not get discussed.

This is not the behaviour of a sane, thinking
person.

 

[sooda]

Thanks for the "win" Scoda, but, one
lil prob is that a true Creo can never
sit still long enough to have any of their
claims examined in detail.

None of those will be either. It is as one
put it, like chasing a squirrel through the
treetops.

Cold, if not flash-freeze comfort is to be
found it that, though, in that it is an unwitting
but tacit admission that they have no data,
no facts, and their "interpretations" are
facile and childish.

True to form, hock will not stand behind
any of his claims and duke it out.

Some Christian sects are very fearful of education and science in particular. They do their congregants a huge disservice promoting ignorance.

 

[Jose Fly]

I’m talking dialogue!

I thought that was clear.

Not just believing these entities exist, but interacting with them! Real-life experiences and conversations. Puts it on a whole different level.

And you believe all the accounts of people interacting with gods other than the one you believe in?

 

[sooda]

And you believe all the accounts of people interacting with gods other than the one you believe in?

Easy does it. JWs will punish their congregants if they question or indulge in education. This shunning thing is not healthful.

 

[Audie]

Some Christian sects are very fearful of education and science in particular. They do their congregants a huge disservice promoting ignorance.

And such country as harbours them.

 

[Audie]

And you believe all the accounts of people interacting with gods other than the one you believe in?

Interacting with things that do not exist is not healthy
minded.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Why have huge herds of frozen
grazers, been discovered

Thinkers will think to ask, why do you
ask this question? No such has been discovered;
any claim you may be making to the contrary is
simply false.

As I recall, it is around fifty frozen mammoth carcasses
that have been found. They range to about 30,000
years different in age. Only a very few are close to
complete, most are fragments. All are in varying
states of decay, producing a "sickening stench"
when thawed.

Yes, it’s through deduction...you know what that is? If you find many tusks.....what do you think grew them?

“The reason that Siberia is such a mecca for mammoth tusk hunting is because of the permafrost. So there were mammoths everywhere...”

Excerpt from:
Woolly Mammoths Are Long Gone, But The Hunt For Their Ivory Tusks Lives On

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, it’s through deduction...you know what that is? If you find many tusks.....what do you think grew them?

“The reason that Siberia is such a mecca for mammoth tusk hunting is because of the permafrost. So there were mammoths everywhere...”

Excerpt from:
Woolly Mammoths Are Long Gone, But The Hunt For Their Ivory Tusks Lives On

I see that you did not understand the response. No one is doubting that there were plenty of mammoths in Siberia at that time. What they have pointed out is that your claims of "flash freezing" of hordes of mammoths has been refuted. There have been a rather small number of frozen mammoths found, that is why they make the news every time a new one is found. And they died at different times, tens of thousands of years exist between the oldest and youngest find.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Something I found supporting a quick freeze, indicating a catastrophe, and a sudden, extreme drop in temperature:

"Though the ground is frozen for 1,900 feet down from the surface at Prudhoe Bay, everywhere the oil companies drilled around this area they discovered an ancient tropical forest. It was in frozen state, not in petrified state. It is between 1,100 and 1,700 feet down. There are palm trees, pine trees, and tropical foliage in great profusion. In fact, they found them lapped all over each other, just as though they had fallen in that position"
— Lindsey Williams, The Energy Non-Crisis, 2nd. Edition, 1980, p. 54

 

[Subduction Zone]

Something I found supporting a quick freeze, indicating a catastrophe, and a sudden, extreme drop in temperature:

"Though the ground is frozen for 1,900 feet down from the surface at Prudhoe Bay, everywhere the oil companies drilled around this area they discovered an ancient tropical forest. It was in frozen state, not in petrified state. It is between 1,100 and 1,700 feet down. There are palm trees, pine trees, and tropical foliage in great profusion. In fact, they found them lapped all over each other, just as though they had fallen in that position"
— Lindsey Williams, The Energy Non-Crisis, 2nd. Edition, 1980, p. 54

Can you are least try to find reliable sources? Just the source of that tells us that it is fringy to an extreme.

 

[sooda]

Yes, it’s through deduction...you know what that is? If you find many tusks.....what do you think grew them?

“The reason that Siberia is such a mecca for mammoth tusk hunting is because of the permafrost. So there were mammoths everywhere...”

Excerpt from:
Woolly Mammoths Are Long Gone, But The Hunt For Their Ivory Tusks Lives On

Permafrost.

 

[sooda]

Permafrost | geology | Britannica.com
https://www.britannica.com/science/permafrost
Permafrost, perennially frozen ground, a naturally occurring material with a temperature colder than 0 °C (32 °F) continuously for two or more years. Such a layer of frozen ground is designated exclusively on the basis of temperature. Part or all of its moisture may be unfrozen, depending on the

 

[Audie]

Something I found supporting a quick freeze, indicating a catastrophe, and a sudden, extreme drop in temperature:

"Though the ground is frozen for 1,900 feet down from the surface at Prudhoe Bay, everywhere the oil companies drilled around this area they discovered an ancient tropical forest. It was in frozen state, not in petrified state. It is between 1,100 and 1,700 feet down. There are palm trees, pine trees, and tropical foliage in great profusion. In fact, they found them lapped all over each other, just as though they had fallen in that position"
— Lindsey Williams, The Energy Non-Crisis, 2nd. Edition, 1980, p. 54

So now you are claiming the wooly mammoths lived in a tropical climate?