Flood Evidences — revised

[ppp]

Wrong. The church was mad at him.

Well, your claim is one that is spread by anti religious scientists who some how want to prove that the "Church" tried to demand that the Bible was correct (even in relaying an incorrect scientific description), and science was undermined by religious leaders.

What a bizarre place to try to make your stand. Even the church admits that it did so, and that it was wrong to do so. John Paul II issued an apology on behalf of the church on October 31, 1992. So, no. You are just completely wrong.

 

[Sheldon]

Well, your claim is one that is spread by anti religious scientists who some how want to prove that the "Church" tried to demand that the Bible was correct (even in relaying an incorrect scientific description), and science was undermined by religious leaders.

"The Galileo affair (Italian: il processo a Galileo Galilei) began around 1610 and culminated with the trial and condemnation of Galileo Galilei by the Roman Catholic Inquisition in 1633."

However, this is perhaps the worst lie ever!

It's certainly made me roll me eyes more than once.

I am placing a link where you can see, in a short summary, how science was the domain of the Jesuite priests of the day.

How most Jeuites aggreed with Galileo and Copernicus, but how the most influential Jesuites, such as Bellarmine and Scheiner tried thir best to silence Gallileo.
I bet you never knew that!

I still don't, just goes to show I thought the Jesuit order were Catholics, and the Inquisition was started by the RCC.

You see, here we again have a situation that the "Peer review by the elitist scientists" decided that Galileo's evidence are not in line with the established narative!
and they tried to scielence him.

Nope, not even close to being true. Funny though, the lengths people will go to, just to rewrite episodes of history to bend them to match their beliefs and prejudices.

"he promoted the heliocentric theory of Nicolaus Copernicus published in De revolutionibus orbium coelestium in 1543. Galileo's discoveries were met with opposition within the Catholic Church, and in 1616 the Inquisition declared heliocentrism to be "formally heretical. Galileo went on to propose a theory of tides in 1616, and of comets in 1619; he argued that the tides were evidence for the motion of the Earth."

Is that a scientific term, heresy?

"In 1632 Galileo published his Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, which defended heliocentrism, and was immensely popular. Responding to mounting controversy over theology, astronomy and philosophy, the Roman Inquisition tried Galileo in 1633, found him "vehemently suspect of heresy", and sentenced him to house arrest where he remained until his death in 1642.[2] At that point, heliocentric books were banned and Galileo was ordered to abstain from holding, teaching or defending heliocentric ideas after the trial. Originally Pope Urban VIII had been a patron to Galileo and had given him permission to publish on the Copernican theory as long as he treated it as a hypothesis, but after the publication in 1632, the patronage was broken off."

Now in your crackpot theory, was the Pope an atheistic scientist as well, bent on disproving the bible?

Most importantly Galileo's work and Copernicus's theories have been validated by science an peer review, exactly what your claiming was opposed to it. The argument your parroting here is obviously one of a few that theists and religious apologists have since tried to spin to spare the church's blushes, at trying to kill of science in its crib.

I hope you learned something.

Nothing I didn't know before about the lengths some apologists will go to, to rewrote history. It still raises a smile though, fair play.

 

[Sheldon]

"Sixteen years after his first encounter with the church Galileo published his “Dialogue on the Two World Systems” in 1632, and the pope, Urban VIII, ordered another investigation against him. This time he was prosecuted, following the usual methods of the Roman Inquisition."

That would seem to make Pope Urban VIII part of a group of elite scientists trying to disprove the bible.

 

[stanberger]

That is a gross misrepresentation, and scientists scrutinise the claims made by other scientists, it's called peer review.

Have you ever heard of project Steve?

Scientist is a very vague term here, since I have seen a creationist with a doctorate and PhD lauded for his denials of evolution and the age of the earth, only to do a cursory search and find out he was an engineer, with zero qualifications in biology or evolution, who was simply parroting creationist propaganda, and the number of scientists who oppose species evolution or the age of the earth is miniscule, and they always oppose it based on religious beliefs, not on the scientific evidence, that's why their pseudoscience is "attacked" by scientists who understand the evidence, and why species evolution remains an accepted scientific fact based on a global scientific consensus.

I left church for islam after reading noah flood story in quran art was regional affecting only the people of noah. science agrees. and the Bible reasoning for the 'worldwide flood'. nephilim ' fallen angels who raped women on earth '

 

[SA Huguenot]

"Sixteen years after his first encounter with the church Galileo published his “Dialogue on the Two World Systems” in 1632, and the pope, Urban VIII, ordered another investigation against him. This time he was prosecuted, following the usual methods of the Roman Inquisition."

That would seem to make Pope Urban VIII part of a group of elite scientists trying to disprove the bible.

And?
What does all your arguments mean?
There was jesuite priests who were the Peers of science and philosophy who influenced the Church and Popes to disregard the status quo of existing science and philosophy.
No one dared to disagree!
Just as the elitetist atheist professors does today!

Anyhow, even if 100 Popes apologised and 100 Catholic Churches denounced Galileo, and 10000 Jesuite priests agreed with Copernicus, and 3 Jesuite prieses influenced the philisophical thinking of the Church!

Id does not say the Bible were wrong at all.
You still sit with the predicament that the Nebular theory was formulated by Kant, with some influence of Swedenborg, where he took this theory from Genesis!

All the scientific explanations on the origins of the Universe was "plagerised" from Genesis!
This is the rock where atheists bashes their heads, and due to their collective amnesia, they forgot the origins of the Nebular theory.

 

[SA Huguenot]

I left church for islam after reading noah flood story in quran art was regional affecting only the people of noah. science agrees. and the Bible reasoning for the 'worldwide flood'. nephilim ' fallen angels who raped women on earth '

Mmmm, Funny that you left Islam believing the Bible was wrong in describing a Global flood.
Look here:
S. 11:44"Then the word went forth: `O earth! Swallow up thy water, and O sky! withhold (thy rain)! And the water abated, and the matter was ended. The Ark rested on Mount Judi, and the word went forth: `Away with those who do wrong!'"

Mount Judi is one peak on Ararat. 2 100 meters above sea level!
Does water pile up for 2 100 meters in a regional area like suger does when throwing it on one heap?

And:
Why the heck would Allah have 2X2 animals board the Ark, if only Noah and his family was to be saved?
S. 23:27"So We inspired him (with this message): `Construct the Ark within Our sight and under Our guidance: then when comes Our command, and the oven gushes forth, take thou on board pairs of every species, male and female, and thy family- except those of whom the Word has already gone forth: and address Me not in favour of the wrong-doers: for they shall be drowned (in the Flood)."
I mean, if it was a regional flood, why didnt Noah and his family just move to higher ground, or was Allah not aware of where the floodwaters would stop?

S. 71:26-27 "And Noah said: `O my Lord! Leave not of the Unbelievers, a single one on earth! For if Thou dost leave (any of them), they will but mislead Thy devotees, and they will breed none but wicked ungrateful ones.'"

Ouch!
I mean, a person such as you who came to a conclusion that the Bible must be wrong to speak about a global flood, simply went and believed in huge illogical claims from the Quran!
Now, If you want I can give you quite a few Hadith, and Ibn Kathir's tafseer to show you that the Quran definately described a Global flood.

I advise you to read the Quran before making claims that are totally untrue!

 

[Audie]

I left church for islam after reading noah flood story in quran art was regional affecting only the people of noah. science agrees. and the Bible reasoning for the 'worldwide flood'. nephilim ' fallen angels who raped women on earth '

The Christians cant decide if the flood was worldwide or local.

Same is true for Islam dispute if its local or worldwide.

So big difference!

The quran is more vague about it.

Saying nothing one way or another is an odd thing to claim
is supported by science

Claiming " science agrees" with ANYTHING about the existence
of Noah or reality of any flood that can be connected to the story
is simply false.

 

[SA Huguenot]

I left church for islam after reading noah flood story in quran art was regional affecting only the people of noah. science agrees. and the Bible reasoning for the 'worldwide flood'. nephilim ' fallen angels who raped women on earth '

Ha, Ha...
Even the Muslims built a museum 2 100 meters above sea level to comemorate Noah landing on this mountain!

Why did you believe the Quran said Noah's flood was a local one?

 

[Sheldon]

I left church for islam after reading noah flood story in quran art was regional affecting only the people of noah. science agrees. and the Bible reasoning for the 'worldwide flood'. nephilim ' fallen angels who raped women on earth '

What has your subjective beliefs to do with my post? You didn't address anything I said?

Scientist is a very vague term here, since I have seen a creationist with a doctorate and PhD lauded for his denials of evolution and the age of the earth, only to do a cursory search and find out he was an engineer, with zero qualifications in biology or evolution, who was simply parroting creationist propaganda, and the number of scientists who oppose species evolution or the age of the earth is miniscule, and they always oppose it based on religious beliefs, not on the scientific evidence, that's why their pseudoscience is "attacked" by scientists who understand the evidence, and why species evolution remains an accepted scientific fact based on a global scientific consensus.

That is a gross misrepresentation, and scientists scrutinise the claims made by other scientists, it's called peer review.

You also didn't answer my question, here:

Have you ever heard of project Steve?

 

[Audie]

What has your subjective beliefs to do with my post? You didn't address anything I said?





You also didn't answer my question, here:

We did notice the post was 100% irrelevant

 

[Sheldon]

And?
What does all your arguments mean?
There was jesuite priests who were the Peers of science and philosophy who influenced the Church and Popes to disregard the status quo of existing science and philosophy.
No one dared to disagree!
Just as the elitetist atheist professors does today!

Anyhow, even if 100 Popes apologised and 100 Catholic Churches denounced Galileo, and 10000 Jesuite priests agreed with Copernicus, and 3 Jesuite prieses influenced the philisophical thinking of the Church!

Id does not say the Bible were wrong at all.
You still sit with the predicament that the Nebular theory was formulated by Kant, with some influence of Swedenborg, where he took this theory from Genesis!

All the scientific explanations on the origins of the Universe was "plagerised" from Genesis!
This is the rock where atheists bashes their heads, and due to their collective amnesia, they forgot the origins of the Nebular theory.

Galileo was warned not to challenge the RCC's authority, and he did precisely that, and published his work after being warned, and was arrested and tried for heresy by the Inquisition. It has nothing to do with science, which didn't even exist as we know it today. None of it has anything whatsoever to do with atheism, that's just bizarre prejudice.

Genesis is errant nonsense, that is axiomatic. the earth existing with vegetation on it before the sun existed, it doesn't even get the most basic chronological facts right.

 

[Sheldon]

Mmmm, Funny that you left Islam believing the Bible was wrong in describing a Global flood.
Look here:
S. 11:44"Then the word went forth: `O earth! Swallow up thy water, and O sky! withhold (thy rain)! And the water abated, and the matter was ended. The Ark rested on Mount Judi, and the word went forth: `Away with those who do wrong!'"

Mount Judi is one peak on Ararat. 2 100 meters above sea level!
Does water pile up for 2 100 meters in a regional area like suger does when throwing it on one heap?

And:
Why the heck would Allah have 2X2 animals board the Ark, if only Noah and his family was to be saved?
S. 23:27"So We inspired him (with this message): `Construct the Ark within Our sight and under Our guidance: then when comes Our command, and the oven gushes forth, take thou on board pairs of every species, male and female, and thy family- except those of whom the Word has already gone forth: and address Me not in favour of the wrong-doers: for they shall be drowned (in the Flood)."
I mean, if it was a regional flood, why didnt Noah and his family just move to higher ground, or was Allah not aware of where the floodwaters would stop?

S. 71:26-27 "And Noah said: `O my Lord! Leave not of the Unbelievers, a single one on earth! For if Thou dost leave (any of them), they will but mislead Thy devotees, and they will breed none but wicked ungrateful ones.'"

Ouch!
I mean, a person such as you who came to a conclusion that the Bible must be wrong to speak about a global flood, simply went and believed in huge illogical claims from the Quran!
Now, If you want I can give you quite a few Hadith, and Ibn Kathir's tafseer to show you that the Quran definately described a Global flood.

I advise you to read the Quran before making claims that are totally untrue!

There has never been a global flood, nothing in the geological record supports this myth.

 

[Audie]

Galileo was warned not to challenge the RCC's authority, and he published his work a second time, and was arrested by the Inquisition and tried for heresy. It has nothing to do with science, which didn't even exist as we know it today. None of it has anything whatsoever to do with atheism.

Genesis is errant nonsense, that is axiomatic. the earth existing with vegetation on it before the sun existed, it doesn't even get the most basic chronological facts right.

Of course in the day people hadnt a clue what the sun was.

Read Lucretius sometime (soon).

The ideas about basic science are pretty interesting.

 

[Audie]

There has never been a global flood, nothing in the geological record supports this myth.

I should make a collection of the weird n wacky
" explanations" for why polar ice survived the flood.

Maybe someone would like to add another?

 

[SA Huguenot]

Galileo was warned not to challenge the RCC's authority, and he did precisely that, and published his work after being warned, and was arrested and tried for heresy by the Inquisition. It has nothing to do with science, which didn't even exist as we know it today. None of it has anything whatsoever to do with atheism, that's just bizarre prejudice.

Genesis is errant nonsense, that is axiomatic. the earth existing with vegetation on it before the sun existed, it doesn't even get the most basic chronological facts right.

Where does it say the Sun did not exist before vegitation was created?
It says the Sun, Moon and Stars shone upon the atmosphere on the 4th day.
Even Kant was clear on the Biblical description that the Sun shon very dim in the beginning, and on the 4th day ignited to its full scale lumination.

The only reason why you wont like to agree with the Nebular theory, is because it sounds too much like a Biblical description.
Do you see how bias you are?
Allo

w me to give a picture to show you what Genesis describes according to what I read.

 

[SA Huguenot]

Galileo was warned not to challenge the RCC's authority, and he did precisely that, and published his work after being warned, and was arrested and tried for heresy by the Inquisition. It has nothing to do with science, which didn't even exist as we know it today. None of it has anything whatsoever to do with atheism, that's just bizarre prejudice.

Genesis is errant nonsense, that is axiomatic. the earth existing with vegetation on it before the sun existed, it doesn't even get the most basic chronological facts right.

Furthermore, Even science gives a description that is right from Genesis!
(Nigel Henbest had an artist construct a graphical display to explain the Nebular theory in simple terms.
I added Genesis to show you that If this picture is placed in the KJV, it would not be a contradiction.
Actually, it proves that what science believes today, is exactly the descroption of Kant as he took it from the Bible!

 

[SA Huguenot]

And this is what is explained on the Luminaries of the sky on the 4th day.

Now, you can attempt to force your own interperetation into Genesis, but all I have to do is to show you that the Scientific descriptions your evolutionists hold so dear, was plagerased from Genesis.

 

[SA Huguenot]

We did notice the post was 100% irrelevant

Anyhow, Your claim that the Quran describes some scientific event is also not only irelevant, but totally incorrect!
Therefore you left your Church on an erroneous claim!
What now?
If you leave Islam you will be an apostate, and Muslims have the right to kill you.
Wow, they tricked you badly!

 

[SA Huguenot]

There has never been a global flood, nothing in the geological record supports this myth.

Mmmm, so do you say there are no sedimentary layer covering huge areas of all the continents on the Earth?
Do you say there are no fossils showing rapid sedimentary covering of animal and plants within minutes, even to the extend that some fossilised animals were still eating, or giving birth?
Or that the ripples on the sedimentary rock all show one direction all over the Earth, from East to west?
Or that the coal beds in North America covers from California, to England, over Europe, Russia, and asia, including Africa?
I'm talking Global catastrophic events pal, in a few days!

I am not a geologist, but again, I love it when the evolutionists dont answer Creationist scientists on their findings.
What do you say?
How was this masses of coal laid down ovet the whole earth?
Local floods?

 

[stanberger]

What a bizarre place to try to make your stand. Even the church admits that it did so, and that it was wrong to do so. John Paul II issued an apology on behalf of the church on October 31, 1992. So, no. You are just completely wrong.

quran got it right. noah flood a regional flood. and no nephilim in quran story nephilim ' fallen rapist angels '