Flynn is out - one down

[esmith]

The Logan Act.

Sorry other disagree with you, even CNN
Why Michael Flynn likely won't face charges under the Logan Act - CNNPolitics.com

 

[fantome profane]

Sorry other disagree with you, even CNN
Why Michael Flynn likely won't face charges under the Logan Act - CNNPolitics.com

That is fine. I stand by my opinion that he violated the Logan act. He did speak to Russian officials about sanctions. After those talks the Russians did decide not to retaliate against the U.S. I cannot prove it, but it seems obvious to me that Flynn did intend to influence a foreign government and I think he succeeded in doing so. I am not saying he will face any charges over this, it is trivial compared to what I think is really going on.

 

[fantome profane]

Here is Rachel Maddow talking about Tillerson and the Exxon deal, and this is before Tillerson was even nominated for Secretary of State.
$500 billion opportunity for Exxon, Russia in Trump cabinet pick

 

[Mister_T]

It's always an opposing viewpoint for me.

Obviously there's enough you like about him for him to earn your vote, however. And you must think I was born yesterday if you're trying to convince me you're not leaning right at the very least.

So, no.....tis quite clear that this election resulted in more crying, wringing of hands, & even violence than usual.

Only it's not, at least not yet. There's a vast wealth of video and news evidence out there for people to view for themselves since apparently they've bleached their memories of such thing as the Tea Party, the birther movement, etc. Selective amnesia is apparently a luxury for a lot of Trump supporters.

 

[metis]

That is fine. I stand by my opinion that he violated the Logan act.

At this point, it's probably much less the law that he appears to have violated, which has never been prosecuted, but more the cover-up and other actions that may have been taken.

What's now under heavy scrutiny are the alleged Trump campaign coordinators, and possibly Trump himself, corresponding with Russian officials over the last year, and the early information seems to say that there were a great many messages going back and forth between them, which begs the question why? This is what could be much more serious.

BTW, doesn't it seem rather bizarre that the Republicans, who have long been staunchly anti-Russian for many decades now, are now defending Trump and his appointees' praise and kissy-face with them, which includes Putin? Talk about "blind faith".

 

[Revoltingest]

Are you kidding?!! I have never see a bigger cry baby. It has only been three weeks and he is coming apart. I have never seen a President complain more about SNL. And we shouldn't be surprised about this, we have seen how much he cried about Rosie O'Donnell, or Bill Maher. He can't handle the fact that his wishes are subject to judicial review, or Congressional approval. He is a whinny toddler.

I think you mistake volatility for fragility.
Consider that Trump waged what appeared to be a losing campaign against a foe with
greater resources, & survived many controversies to ultimately win. This bespeaks
strength & perseverance. So no, I'm not kidding....he won't shrink from more attacks.

 

[Revoltingest]

Obviously there's enough you like about him for him to earn your vote, however. And you must think I was born yesterday if you're trying to convince me you're not leaning right at the very least.

I find something to like in every politician....even the Hildabeast.
But voting for one doesn't mean I want this win....sometimes it's
just for a worse one to lose. Btw, I dislike Trump.

I lean both right & left....it all depends upon the issue.
It would be simple minded to pick a side, & eschew all other viewpoints.

Only it's not, at least not yet. There's a vast wealth of video and news evidence out there for people to view for themselves since apparently they've bleached their memories of such thing as the Tea Party, the birther movement, etc. Selective amnesia is apparently a luxury for a lot of Trump supporters.

We didn't see numerous videos of Tea Partiers crying their eyes out, or burning cars in protest.
So we'll agree to disagree.

 

[Mister_T]

I find something to like in every politician....even the Hildabeast.
But voting for one doesn't mean I want this win....sometimes it's
just for a worse one to lose. Btw, I dislike Trump.

I lean both right & left....it all depends upon the issue.
It would be simple minded to pick a side, & eschew all other viewpoints.

Fair enough.

We didn't see numerous videos of Tea Partiers crying their eyes out, or burning cars in protest.
So we'll agree to disagree.

We also don't see videos of anti-Trump protesters foaming at the mouth with utter rage, waving around posters depicting Obama as a primate, Muslim terrorist or an African bushman. I'm not a fan of double standards, but I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Revoltingest]

We also don't see videos of anti-Trump protesters foaming at the mouth with utter rage, waving around posters depicting Obama as a primate, Muslim terrorist or an African bushman. I'm not a fan of double standards, but I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

A double standard isn't the issue, since we seem to agree about what is wrong.

But let's set aside what appears in the media, since all things appear equal in magnitude there.
In this election's aftermath, something was different. Never before had I seen friends & family
become outraged & sanctimoniously critical that I'd vote for the opposition. They now speak
of this debilitating feeling of loss & hopelessness that dark times are upon us. This is different.

 

[Mister_T]

But let's set aside what appears in the media, since all things appear equal in magnitude there.
In this election's aftermath, something was different. Never before had I seen friends & family
become outraged & sanctimoniously critical that I'd vote for the opposition.

I've personally experienced the same exact thing when Obama was elected and it was too the point where I had be a "closeted" Obama supporter depending on the friends/family. I've even had people plead with me to not vote for Hilary and vote for Trump and been continually harassed by people I considered longtime friends, even now still after the election has long been over.

Point being again though, that this not something exclusive to either side.

This is different.

Only it's not, it's just being expressed differently in some instances. Still the same in principle.

 

[Revoltingest]

I've personally experienced the same exact thing when Obama was elected and it was too the point where I had be a "closeted" Obama supporter depending on the friends/family. I've even had people plead with me to not vote for Hilary and vote for Trump and been continually harassed by people I considered longtime friends, even now still after the election has long been over.

Point being again though, that this not something exclusive to either side.

Only it's not, it's just being expressed differently in some instances. Still the same in principle.

Clearly, you should adopt some of my friends & family.

 

[Notanumber]

Why would it have been a good thing if the Russians had decided to retaliate against the U.S.?

 

[Mister_T]

Clearly, you should adopt some of my friends & family.

No thanks, I'm not a fan of any person who feels they need to go to such lengths, regardless of what side they belong to.

 

[Sunstone]

Reality will continue to exist regardless of how you feel about it. It isn't like I'm offering an editorial, turn on the news. Libs rioting and protesting and acting like whiny children all over the news daily.

If you think protest is "whiny" you should write a book about just how "whiny" the Founders of this country were when they protested King George. I'm sure it would get great reviews in conservative circles. You've practically ditched most American Ideals already.

 

[ShivaFan]

Clinton had 5 out, Obama 3, so Trump has 2 right now less than Clinton and Obama but already a lot confirmed. So what? This is normal. Not really any "there" .... zzzzzz

 

[metis]

And another went "out" today.

McCain's judgement of this administration is quite obvious to any objective-minded person as he used the word "dysfunction" for it.

 

[Revoltingest]

No thanks, I'm not a fan of any person who feels they need to go to such lengths, regardless of what side they belong to.

I find is useful to avoid discussing presidential politics with some.
My sister-in-law is one....she believes GW Bush is worse than Hitler.
And she's easily excited.