For Christians. Was the flood real or just a myth?

[Subduction Zone]

Have you ‘studied the Bible daily’?

Newton did, in fact he wrote more about the Bible than science!

Don’t you think he would’ve discovered these “absurdities” in the account, if they in fact were?

Or could it be that you simply don’t understand the facts given? It’s either that, or Newton didnt understand a subject he ‘studied daily.’

Not necessarily. Even the brightest person in the world will be affected by cognitive dissonance at times. Did Newton even write about the Adam and Eve myth?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Have you ‘studied the Bible daily’?

Newton did, in fact he wrote more about the Bible than science!

Don’t you think he would’ve discovered these “absurdities” in the account, if they in fact were?

Or could it be that you simply don’t understand the facts given? It’s either that, or Newton didnt understand a subject he ‘studied daily.’

And one more point, Newton probably disagreed with you. I have not found anything about him writing on the Genesis myths yet, But he was no a trinitarian, he did not think that Jesus was God or even as powerful as God. His views would have been considered heresy in his day. Luckily we don't have such a "crime" today:

This article at least was interesting, but to the Google to find more:

The Strange, Secret History of Isaac Newton's Papers

 

[QuestioningMind]

Have you ‘studied the Bible daily’?

Newton did, in fact he wrote more about the Bible than science!

Don’t you think he would’ve discovered these “absurdities” in the account, if they in fact were?

Or could it be that you simply don’t understand the facts given? It’s either that, or Newton didnt understand a subject he ‘studied daily.’

Just because an individual demonstrates genius level thinking in one aspect of their life does not automatically mean that they have genius level thinking in all aspects of their life. The genius Einstein who figured out the Theory of Relativity was notorious for getting lost trying to follow simple directions. His mathematical genius didn't prevent him from being a complete idiot when it came to finding his way around. I understand that Newton was very religious and I also understand that there were scientific questions that he could have answered, if he had simply applied his intellect to solving them. Unfortunately there were times when he concluded that certain scientific mysteries were the 'hand of God' and could never be explained through science, so he never even made the effort.

Now, if you happen to know of some argument that Newton presented for how Eve being inexperienced and uneducated didn't also also make her naive and gullible, I'd love to hear it. But if you don't, I'm not sure why you even brought him up. It's almost as if you want to divert attention away from your inability to defend your own failed argument.

 

[gnostic]

So very true. Apparently the ONLY way that Eve could have defended herself against the lying serpent was if she ate from the tree that God specifically forbade her from eating from. Sounds as if God set everything up to ensure that Eve would be deceived from the get go.

Yes, it’s a catch-22.

She cannot possibly know who is lying until she know right from wrong, and like you said, she can only do that if she ate from the Tree of Knowledge.

When you say Eve couldn't have known the serpent was not to be trusted, are you also saying Eve couldn't have known God was not to be trusted when God said they would die if they ate the forbidden fruit.

There is nothing in the creation of either Adam or Eve, that say they were to trust ONLY in God’s words alone.

Did God forbid her or Adam listening to anyone else? Did god ever tell to trust in him, and Him alone?

And you are forgetting that God told only Adam about the Tree of Knowledge (2:16-17), not to Eve, since she wasn’t created yet. Genesis never indicated god directly spoke to Eve too about the Tree. The only time Genesis has shown that God spoke directly to Eve, was when god cursed her in Genesis 3:16.

1. So it can ONLY BE implied and speculated that Eve received the same warning as Adam from God himself.
2. ALTERNATIVELY, it can also be implied and speculated that Eve received God’s prohibition second-hand from Adam.

So either one of these, is the possibility of being the case, but since Genesis contains no other details about whom spoke to Eve about the Tree, we will never know. Both are speculations...but if it is the later, Eve would trusting in Adam’s words or the serpent’s.

So Eve either had to trust what the serpent had to say, or from God or Adam.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Have you ‘studied the Bible daily’?

Newton did, in fact he wrote more about the Bible than science!

Don’t you think he would’ve discovered these “absurdities” in the account, if they in fact were?

Or could it be that you simply don’t understand the facts given? It’s either that, or Newton didnt understand a subject he ‘studied daily.’

Newton also studied and believed in Alcamy.
And believed in the occult.
He had a wide ranging mind, that was clearly not limited by standard christianity.

 

[Muffled]

I believe it is narrative so it is a real event.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe it is narrative so it is a real event.

So you are saying that God is dishonest?

I do not understand such a belief.

 

[Muffled]

Consider.

"An ABC News poll released Sunday [2-15-04] found that 61 percent of Americans believe the account of creation in the Bible’s book of Genesis is “literally true” rather than a story meant as a “lesson.”

Sixty percent believe in the story of Noah’s ark and a global flood, while 64 percent agree that Moses parted the Red Sea to save fleeing Jews from their Egyptian captors.'
source
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In 2012 79% of US population was comprised of Christians and Jews.
So, in as much it's fair to assume that the only people who believe in the Flood story are Christians and Jews, there's a direct correspondence between the 60% and it's sole representation of Christians and Jews meaning that 76% of Christians and Jews believe in the Flood: OR About 74% of Christians believe the Flood story ( Christians comprise 97% of the Christian-Jewish population. )

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I don't believe it was a global flood but was a local one. I believe covers the earth has been misinterpreted to mean global when in truth any flood covers the whole earth that is under water.

 

[Muffled]

So you are saying that God is dishonest?

I do not understand such a belief.

I beleive I am saying that people are dishonest and God speaks the truth.

 

[Muffled]

In the western Christian countries I doubt if there is any other country that comes close to the U.S.'s rate of taking the Bible literally. Nat Geo had an article once where they compared what percentage accepted evolution:

Evolution Less Accepted in U.S. Than Other Western Countries, Study Finds

It did not specifically mention the flood story, but rates of acceptance should be similar. Iceland was tops with roughly 90% accepting evolution. At that time the country was still mostly Christian.

Belief in the Ark story appears to be dwindling worldwide.

I believe that makes Iceland a prime country for evangelizing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I beleive I am saying that people are dishonest and God speaks the truth.

The problem is that all of the evidence tells us that there was no flood.

I see that you believe in a "local flood". The problem with a local flood is that it makes the Ark pointless. People would have survived regardless, as would animals. To be a threat of extinction for man or a significant number of species local just would not cut it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe that makes Iceland a prime country for evangelizing.

Why? They are still mostly Christian. Most Christians do not believe all of the myths of the Bible.

 

[Skwim]

I don't believe it was a global flood but was a local one. I believe covers the earth has been misinterpreted to mean global when in truth any flood covers the whole earth that is under water.

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[Subduction Zone]

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A poorly worded tautology to cover up the departure from what the Bible clearly says. I debated once with a believer that misinterpreted the KJV and thought that the flood was only fifteen cubits deep. When faced with reality flood believers go through all sorts of cognitive dissonance at times.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Unfortunately there were times when he concluded that certain scientific mysteries were the 'hand of God' and could never be explained through science, so he never even made the effort.

How does thinking "God did it" keep one from searching for explanations about how things work?!? He thought God was behind all science, yet he continued trying to figure out how they operated. What a ridiculous conclusion...."God did it, so let's stop looking"! He never stopped, his entire life! Neither did Boyle, Kepler, Bacon, and others. In fact, knowing an Intelligence was behind it, stimulates further interest in exploration, as there's also the question as to why.

Materialism ignores that, for the most part.

It's almost as if you want to divert attention away from your inability to defend your own failed argument.

Well, I understand it perfectly, and I know Deeje, URAVIP2ME, rosra02, and others on here understand it, too. I can include Newton, also. As someone else on here said, it would be absurd to enforce the sentence of death, if accountability could really be questioned!

To those whom the account doesn't make sense, aren't really interested in honest examination of the events, and don't want them to make sense.

So-long, my cousin.

Maybe others who read this will appreciate what's been posted.

 

[gnostic]

I don't believe it was a global flood but was a local one. I believe covers the earth has been misinterpreted to mean global when in truth any flood covers the whole earth that is under water.

If you think the Flood was a local one, then Genesis as narrated, wouldn’t make much sense.

• If it is only a local or regional, then why built the ark at all?
• Why collect all types of animals they don’t use or eat?

It doesn’t make sense that the Flood being not global, to save all those unclean animals and wild animals. All they need to do is save only animals that they would raise, use or eat. All they would need are some cattle, sheep, goats, fowls, etc, some working animals, such as horses, donkeys, camels, dogs, etc.

And if it is only local or regional flood, why even built an Ark.

Noah is a prophet, isn’t he?

If yes, then all Noah had to do was move to region, not affected by flood. He could have easily move out of the region, since he had 100 years between receiving revelation and early warning about the Flood, when he was 500 years old (Genesis 6) and when the rain came (Genesis 7).

Noah had plenty of time to move himself and his family and animals a safe location, away from people whom God intending to drown. It make far more sense, to migrate to area, not affected by floodwater, and build new home there.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How does thinking "God did it" keep one from searching for explanations about how things work?!? He thought God was behind all science, yet he continued trying to figure out how they operated. What a ridiculous conclusion...."God did it, so let's stop looking"! He never stopped, his entire life! Neither did Boyle, Kepler, Bacon, and others. In fact, knowing an Intelligence was behind it, stimulates further interest in exploration, as there's also the question as to why.

Materialism ignores that, for the most part.

You missed the point. Newton used "God did it" when he could not figure out the answer himself. He was an extremely brilliant man, but he was just a man and was there problems that he could not solve.

And please, no one "knows" that there was an intelligence involved. You may believe it, Newton may have believed it as may others but that does not make it knowledge.

Well, I understand it perfectly, and I know Deeje, URAVIP2ME, rosra02, and others on here understand it, too. I can include Newton, also. As someone else on here said, it would be absurd to enforce the sentence of death, if accountability could really be questioned!

To those whom the account doesn't make sense, aren't really interested in honest examination of the events, and don't want them to make sense.

So-long, my cousin.

Maybe others who read this will appreciate what's been posted.

Sorry, but it appears not to be the case. As the saying goes "If you know it, you can show it". You have not shown anything. And please, don't accuse others of your wrong doings. Many of the earliest of geologists were looking for evidence to support the flood myth. Instead they ended up refuting it. They did no want not to understand. If anything that accusation can only applied to Bible literalists.

 

[SkepticThinker]

How does thinking "God did it" keep one from searching for explanations about how things work?!? He thought God was behind all science, yet he continued trying to figure out how they operated. What a ridiculous conclusion...."God did it, so let's stop looking"! He never stopped, his entire life! Neither did Boyle, Kepler, Bacon, and others. In fact, knowing an Intelligence was behind it, stimulates further interest in exploration, as there's also the question as to why.

Materialism ignores that, for the most part.



Well, I understand it perfectly, and I know Deeje, URAVIP2ME, rosra02, and others on here understand it, too. I can include Newton, also. As someone else on here said, it would be absurd to enforce the sentence of death, if accountability could really be questioned!

To those whom the account doesn't make sense, aren't really interested in honest examination of the events, and don't want them to make sense.

So-long, my cousin.

Maybe others who read this will appreciate what's been posted.

OR, they simply don't make sense, and the people who are invested in it don't want them to not make sense. It can work both ways.





I would add that if they do actually make sense, then it shouldn't be so difficult to demonstrate that they do.

 

[1213]

The jury seems to be out on this question among those who identify as Christians.....so was the flood a real event or was it just a dramatized myth with a message?...

Thanks for interesting post. I believe things went as the Bible tells and I have made plans of the ark, by Bible description and I believe it was like in the plans here:

Noah's Ark

 

[Hockeycowboy]

More evidence, thanks to a lead by Grandliseur:

Fossil Suggests The Pyramids And The Sphinx Were Once Submerged Under Water.

Those fossils keep showing up in the most unlikely places! LOVE IT!