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S-word

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Different translations render this verse differently. At Matthew 4:10 (RS), Jesus said: “You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.” At Deuteronomy 6:13, which Jesus is evidently here quoting, appears the personal name of God, the Tetragrammaton.
My quote was from the New World Translation, a modern english Bible translation.
“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.” (Authorized, or King James, Version of 1611)
There is strong evidence that Jesus and his apostles used the divine Name, Jehovah.
God's name, represented by the tetragrammaton, appears almost 7,000 times in the Hebrew scriptures. Without authorization, men removed God's name from their Bible, considering it too sacred to pronounce.
Jesus, in contrast, taught us to pray for God's name to be hallowed, or santified.
We cannot worship God acceptably without knowing his Name and the Person identified by that name. "Lord" is a title, and as such, does not serve to identify the true God, nor differentiate him from the many false gods also called lord by their worshipers.

Translated to English, “Jehovah” the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, means, “I Am Who I Am.” Deuteronomy 18: 18; “I will send them a prophet like you from among their people; I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything I command. He will speak in my name etc.”

In reference to Jesus, in Acts 2: 22; Peter reveals that he was the fulfilment of the prophecy in Deuteronomy 18: 18; “For Moses said, ‘The lord God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people. You are to obey everything that he tells you to do etc.”
Was Jesus ‘I Am Who I Am’? No, as is revealed in Acts 3: 13; Acts 17: 31; and many other passages of scripture.

Acts 3: 13; “The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our ancestors has given divine glory to his servant Jesus.” Acts 17: 31; “For He (I Am Who I Am, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) has fixed a DAY (The Sabbath of one thousand years) in which he will rule the whole world with Justice by mean of a man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that man from death.”

And so in John 8: 28; when Jesus said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Man, you will know that ‘I Am Who I Am’; he was revealing that he was the one who was sent to do and say only that which he was commanded by the God of our ancestors, who revealed himself to us through his earthly image, His obedient servant Jesus who spoke in his name and who himself said, “then you will know that I do nothing on my own authority, but I say only what my Father has instructed me to say etc.”

It was ‘Who I Am,” the first born of all creation who was cast out of the presence of God in order that he might witness the process through which he was created, who, through the mouth of his obedient servant who spoke nothing on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded, said in John 17: 5; “Father! Give me glory in your presence now, the same glory I had with you before this world was made.”

It was for this reason that His earthly image had to be lifted up in the same manner as did Moses lift up the image of the serpent in the wilderness, in order that all who were dying because of the venom of that great accuser of his brothers, the soul destroying poison that is coursing through their veins, in order to be saved, only have to turn their eyes to the image of the serpent that has been lift up and has received again the glory that he had in God’s presence before this world, in which we are known by Him before we were born, was created.

For I am who I am and may I never lose sight
Of the fact that I am who I am day and night
I'm not 'who I was' nor 'who I will be'
For "Who I Am" is the name that my God gave to me
So get behind me you charlatan priests and you shams
For I am true to my God, to my God "Who I Am."...By S-word.

And so dear friend, come soar with me to the outer limits of reality
For this universe though wide it seems, is but the shadow of our dreams
We are naught, but knowledge in these tents, refined through pain and punishment
We're the hive of man and 'neath His rod, we are one, We're the son of God
The past, the present, the future is He, He was, He is and He will be
For heaven is, but a position in time to where the spirit in man must climb
Eventually, when He's there at last and stands and gazes at His past
And takes the throne prepared in heaven, then all his past will be forgiven
"I am who I am,: the die is cast, cos I was created by my past
And we who we are this very day, determines His future in every way
If my past were changed, then who would I be?
One thing is certain, I wouldn't be me....By S-word.
 
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rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
i was once catholic i studied the bible went to church but as i was studying the bible i found that the church was contradicting jesus and the bible we dont practice and believe what the bible is telling us i found things in the bible that really disturbed me led me to not believing thing that are distgusting and came to a conclusion that really told me that this could not be from god almighty


What did you read in the Bible that you found disturbing?
 

God4me

God4me
What are the marks of a true Christian? And do you think those signs manifests in you?


If you want to be perfectly Biblical about it, People called Christ followers Christians because they saw the power of God working with-and through them. Acts 11: 20--28.
A True Biblical Christian is one who is doing the same works as Jesus Jn 14: 12.
 

AlsoAnima

Friend
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Hmm... that is a tough question isn't it? I suppose it's hard to define what a "True Christian" is. I mean, people will be debating that for ever.

But I suppose I'll be a little more literal. The word Christian means, one who follows Christ. So a 'True Christian' is anyone who follows Jesus Christ.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
I believe that:). But isn't being a good person and at the same time having faith in Him a mark also of being a true Christian (although we are not judged according to good works)?
But Matthew 16:27 says we are: "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works."
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
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Hmm... that is a tough question isn't it? I suppose it's hard to define what a "True Christian" is. I mean, people will be debating that for ever.

But I suppose I'll be a little more literal. The word Christian means, one who follows Christ. So a 'True Christian' is anyone who follows Jesus Christ.

Didn't Jesus give us a clue at John (13:34,35; 15:12) when Jesus said he was giving a new commandment that his 'True Christian' followers would be recognized by the Christ-like love they would have among themselves?

So wouldn't that be following Christ example or model (1st Peter 2:21) in following his steps ? Wasn't Jesus was in subjection to doing God's will?
Then 'True Christians' would also be doing God's will as outlined in Scripture.
 

AlsoAnima

Friend
Didn't Jesus give us a clue at John (13:34,35; 15:12) when Jesus said he was giving a new commandment that his 'True Christian' followers would be recognized by the Christ-like love they would have among themselves?

So wouldn't that be following Christ example or model (1st Peter 2:21) in following his steps ? Wasn't Jesus was in subjection to doing God's will?
Then 'True Christians' would also be doing God's will as outlined in Scripture.
Most of my pagan friends have a more Christ like love than my Christian friends. :D
 

Renji

Well-Known Member
But Matthew 16:27 says we are: "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works."

Ephesians 2:8-9


For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. So, what are the works being said on Matthew 16:27? I think, that is more of "faith, justified through actions" (just find the other verses about this) and not by faith alone or works alone.It is through Jesus Christ that we will be saved.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Most of my pagan friends have a more Christ like love than my Christian friends. :D

No doubt you are right. Jesus forewarned us that 'many' would come, "In his name" but prove false as Matthew recorded at (7:22,23)

If 'Christian' friends do not display the Christ-like love of John (13:34,35) then are they really Christian or just in name only? Were they just by birth, so to speak, born into a religion by their culture, or have they made the truth of the Bible their own? Are they following what the Bible really teaches, or like the religious leaders of Jesus day (Mark 7:7; Matthew 15:9), just following men's traditions or customs outside of Scripture?
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Ephesians 2:8-9


For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. So, what are the works being said on Matthew 16:27? I think, that is more of "faith, justified through actions" (just find the other verses about this) and not by faith alone or works alone.It is through Jesus Christ that we will be saved.

Please compare Matthew 16:27 with Matthew 25:31. Both verses mention the time frame being that of Jesus coming in glory...with angels. (Please see Rev 19:14 where it mentions with angelic heavenly armies.)

Jesus coming in glory would mean Jesus coming in action as the crowned king of God's kingdom (Daniel 7:13,14; 2:44). That action is described by Isaiah (11:4) and John at Rev. (19:11,15).

At Matthew (25:32) Jesus separates those living or alive at that time by how people treated his 'brothers' of verse 40. Those 'saved' at that time are part of the great multitude of Revelation 7:9,10,14.
 

God4me

God4me
The sign of a true Christian are, "Producing the characer and power of Jesus" This only comes by abiding in the True vine [Jesus]
Jesus said, "You shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you", Note, When the Holy Spirit is in you, He makes [Or should make] you Holy, Then you shall have the power.
 

S-word

Well-Known Member
The sign of a true Christian are, "Producing the characer and power of Jesus" This only comes by abiding in the True vine [Jesus]
Jesus said, "You shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you", Note, When the Holy Spirit is in you, He makes [Or should make] you Holy, Then you shall have the power.

Ahh, but which Jesus are you referring to? The Jesus as taught by the apostles or the other jesus who Paul warned would be be taught by those disciples of the anti-christ, who refused to acknowledge that he came as a human being, as is explained by John; see 1 John 4: 1-4; and 2 John verses 7 to 11.
 

stars

Member
A true Christian believes in Jesus Christ, was born-again by God, abides by His commandments, believes Jesus died on the cross for their sins, loves others and is obedient to God's word.
 

S-word

Well-Known Member
But Matthew 16:27 says we are: "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works."

Adam is the most high in the evolution of the singularity that has become all that is. Adam the most high is lord of creatures and the prototype of His Son who is the Lord of Spirits, and Adam the first born Son of God who is all that is, (See Luke 3: 38) was born of the evolution of He who was the origin of all that He has evolved into.

We the body of mankind, are the expanded and pregnant body of Eve who was divided from the Most High Adam, and it is in the body of Eve that the spirit that will be born as the Son of Man is being formed by his spiritual Father who dwells within the inner most sanctuary of His temporary tent=Tabernacle (The body of Mankind) as he awaits the creation of his glorious Temple of unapproachable light, which Temple is being created by the spirits of good people who fall asleep in righteousness and are gathered to Jesus who was the first fruits, the first of many brothers chosen from the body of Eve=Adam, who was given divine glory by the God of our ancestors (Acts 3: 13) and has been placed in the heavenly throne of our Father The Most High, as the cornerston to the new eternal Temple of Light of the Most High in the evolution of our origin.

There, in the Holy of Holies, within the inner most sanctuary of His glorious Temple of light, He shall rule the whole world with Justice, by means of that man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that man from death. see Acts 3: 13 and Acts 17: 31. Psalms 51: 5; Behold, I was shapen in iniquity and in sin did (Eve) my mother conceive me. All the wisdom, knowledge and insight that is gained by the Son of Man who will rule the whole world, is gained from the pain and suffering endured by the body in which he "The Spirit" develops, and that pain and suffering was caused by the sins and mistakes that we, the body in which he develops, have commited.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
According to Genesis (2:7) Adam was Not born. Adam was created as a full grown human man. Adam was then presented with a full grown female taken from his ribs.

Adam did not have a pre-human existence as Jesus did in the heavens as the firstborn of all creation (Col 1:15,16) . First before all angels or spirit creation. Since angels were created first, Jesus existed before human or physical creation that came after the spirit creation was created.

According to Revelation (3:21) Jesus has his own throne and his Father has his own throne.
It does not say he was placed on his Father's throne, but that Jesus was placed on his own throne.
 

S-word

Well-Known Member
According to Genesis (2:7) Adam was Not born. Adam was created as a full grown human man. Adam was then presented with a full grown female taken from his ribs.

Adam did not have a pre-human existence as Jesus did in the heavens as the firstborn of all creation (Col 1:15,16) . First before all angels or spirit creation. Since angels were created first, Jesus existed before human or physical creation that came after the spirit creation was created.

According to Revelation (3:21) Jesus has his own throne and his Father has his own throne.
It does not say he was placed on his Father's throne, but that Jesus was placed on his own throne.

Matthew 19: 28;"You can be sure that when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne in the new age.".................. Not now, but in the new age.

Matthew 25: 31; When the Son of Man come as King (On earth) he will sit on his royal throne.

Luke 1: 32; He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the highest: and the Lord God shall give him the throne of his Father David.......... The earthly throne.

Acts 2: 30; He sits on the earthly throne of David....................... OK, now let's look at the referrences to the heavenly throne of our Father.

Hebrew 8:1; and 12: 2; he sits on the right hand of our Father's heavenly throne.
Revelation 3: 21; To him that overcometh will i grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame and am set dowm with my Father in his throne.
Where do you suppose that the throne of God our Father and saviour is?.....And by the way, Adam did have a pre-existence which I will explain to you when time permits.
 
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ayani

member
well, i would say a Christian is one who believes in, belongs to, and follows God's Son.

Jesus said that we ought to bear fruit as His disciples, put His words into practice, love God our Father and love our neighbors, in His Name. if one's life has been changed by Jesus, one ought to at least want to share this with others, as well as do everything He has aksed us.

i would say the greatest sign of being a Christian is to be new in Christ. to have a new self, perspective, new desires, and new motivation because one knows and belongs to Christ. because He lives, we live too. we're still human and still mess up, but we're more like Him, and less like our old selves.
 

S-word

Well-Known Member
well, i would say a Christian is one who believes in, belongs to, and follows God's Son.

Jesus said that we ought to bear fruit as His disciples, put His words into practice, love God our Father and love our neighbors, in His Name. if one's life has been changed by Jesus, one ought to at least want to share this with others, as well as do everything He has aksed us.

i would say the greatest sign of being a Christian is to be new in Christ. to have a new self, perspective, new desires, and new motivation because one knows and belongs to Christ. because He lives, we live too. we're still human and still mess up, but we're more like Him, and less like our old selves.

Right on dear woman....I think...woman it is, is it not?
 
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