For creationists: Show evidences for creation of man

[Thief]

We *are* made from non-living matter! No atom in your body is alive. No molecule in your body s alive. It is the *combination*, the structure of how those non-living parts interconnect, that produces life. There is no separate 'life force' that makes something alive.

But multicellular life didn't form in one step. Humans are the result of a line process that started from the first cells billions of years ago. We are NOT the result of a magical 'blowing of life into dead matter'. There were billions of years between the first living things and humans.

you can't have it both ways

the chemistry responds
you are held in that container you call a body

if the container is not alive........then it's your spirit

 

[Polymath257]

you can't have it both ways

the chemistry responds
you are held in that container you call a body

if the container is not alive........then it's your spirit

The point is that life is a complex collection of chemical reactions. There is no separate 'spirit': only physics and chemistry. I am not 'held' in my body: I *am* my body, specifically, the processes in my brain.

 

[Thief]

The point is that life is a complex collection of chemical reactions. There is no separate 'spirit': only physics and chemistry. I am not 'held' in my body: I *am* my body, specifically, the processes in my brain.

in that perspective .....
Man is a mystery on this earth with no resolve or purpose

the only pending result......extinction

and you are dust

 

[Polymath257]

in that perspective .....
Man is a mystery on this earth with no resolve or purpose

the only pending result......extinction

and you are dust

OK, I see no argument here. Just complaints about the nature of reality.

We form our own meaning. We form our own meaning. And yes, we all die. But the fact that a candle goes dark doesn't mean its light has no meaning.

 

[Thief]

OK, I see no argument here. Just complaints about the nature of reality.

We form our own meaning. We form our own meaning. And yes, we all die. But the fact that a candle goes dark doesn't mean its light has no meaning.

not complaining

and your metaphor is shallow

stop hiding your candle under a bushel basket (the Carpenter)

 

[Polymath257]

not complaining

and your metaphor is shallow

stop hiding your candle under a bushel basket (the Carpenter)

I don't see it as shallow. I see it realistic. What basket?

 

[FearGod]

We *are* made from non-living matter! No atom in your body is alive. No molecule in your body s alive. It is the *combination*, the structure of how those non-living parts interconnect, that produces life. There is no separate 'life force' that makes something alive.

But multicellular life didn't form in one step. Humans are the result of a long process that started from the first cells billions of years ago. We are NOT the result of a magical 'blowing of life into dead matter'. There were billions of years between the first living things and humans.

Of course not by magic, did God said he created us by magic?

“From a sperm-drop He had created him, and then moulds him in due proportions;” [80:19]

 

[Subduction Zone]

So it was matter first, it was non living matter.
Life existed from the non living matter, the question is why the atheists don't
accept the idea that life was made including humans from the non living matter
or the earthly matter.

The most likely way that life arose was through the process of abiogenesis. It is not fully understood yet, but many questions have been answered. Many are still left to be answered, but as we know from history "I don't know" has never been a valid reason to say "God did it".

Which takes us back to the OP, what evidence do creationists have for their beliefs?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Of course not by magic, did God said he created us by magic?

“From a sperm-drop He had created him, and then moulds him in due proportions;” [80:19]

So the Islamic version of the creation myth is slightly different than the Judeo-Christian one. Where did the "sperm-drop" come from? What good is a sperm drop on its own? I don't think the Muslim version is any more credible than the Christian one.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Here is a link to the website of one of the leaders in abiogenesis research:

Szostak Lab: Home

Again, not all questions answered, answers to complex problems don't drop out of the sky. Many questions answered. Some are still left. If you explore that site not only are the moderately well understood questions, you will also find links to fairly recent articles published in the field.

 

[Polymath257]

Of course not by magic, did God said he created us by magic?

“From a sperm-drop He had created him, and then moulds him in due proportions;” [80:19]

Was that sperm-drop alive?

 

[ecco]

So it was matter first, it was non living matter.
Life existed from the non living matter, the question is why the atheists don't
accept the idea that life was made including humans from the non living matter
or the earthly matter.

I am an atheist.
I am living matter.
Atoms are not living matter.
I am made up of atoms.

What's your point?

 

[FearGod]

Was that sperm-drop alive?

No, it isn't a living organism.

 

[Polymath257]

No, it isn't a living organism.

You do realize that sperm and egg cells *are* alive? They are the haploid stage of our life cycle. ALL multicellular organisms have both a haploid stage and a diploid stage. Both stages are alive.

 

[FearGod]

You do realize that sperm and egg cells *are* alive? They are the haploid stage of our life cycle. ALL multicellular organisms have both a haploid stage and a diploid stage. Both stages are alive.

The sperm isn't a person, the egg isn't a person, both aren't a living being.
Humans are created in the womb as a living being.

 

[Polymath257]

The sperm isn't a person, the egg isn't a person, both aren't a living being.
Humans are created in the womb as a living being.

This is false. The sperm and the egg are alive. They are cells. They are living things.

More specifically, they are the haploid stage of our life cycle: they are the stage with half as many chromosomes as the diploid stage.

When the sperm and the egg merge, the chromosomes are combined and we get the diploid stage of our life cycle, starting with the fertilized egg. Life doesn't begin at conception: it continues through conception.

There is no biological definition of a *person*: that is a legal, not a scientific notion.

 

[FearGod]

This is false. The sperm and the egg are alive. They are cells. They are living things.

More specifically, they are the haploid stage of our life cycle: they are the stage with half as many chromosomes as the diploid stage.

When the sperm and the egg merge, the chromosomes are combined and we get the diploid stage of our life cycle, starting with the fertilized egg. Life doesn't begin at conception: it continues through conception.

There is no biological definition of a *person*: that is a legal, not a scientific notion.

I'm not talking about a living cell, about a living organism.
Are the sperm and the egg living organisms.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm not talking about a living cell, about a living organism.
Are the sperm and the egg living organisms.

Yes, they are living organisms.

 

[FearGod]

The living organism should reproduce new similar organisms, the sperm and the egg
aren't living organisms simply because they don't reproduce.

the sperm and the egg is a living matter(cell) produced by the living organism.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The living organism should reproduce new similar organisms, the sperm and the egg
aren't living organisms simply because they don't reproduce.

the sperm and the egg is a living matter(cell) produced by the living organism.

That depends upon how one defines "life" in the first place. And by most definitions they are alive. But then one can always cherry pick. The problem still remains. Where did your version of god get the sperm from? And what good is just a sperm cell on its own? That's two questions. Those two questions. And then there is the question of what medium it grew in. Three! Three questions. No one expects ...