For creationists: Show evidences for creation of man

[Polymath257]

I'm not talking about a living cell, about a living organism.
Are the sperm and the egg living organisms.

Yes, in fact, they are. Once again, they are a particular stage of our life cycle. Each sperm and each egg is an 'individual' because each is unique genetically.

 

[Polymath257]

The living organism should reproduce new similar organisms, the sperm and the egg
aren't living organisms simply because they don't reproduce.

Actually, yes they do. They use the diploid stage to reproduce. That diploid stage is multi-cellular (and we identify them as people). But it is just as reasonable to say we are the gametes way of reproducing gametes as the opposite.

the sperm and the egg is a living matter(cell) produced by the living organism.

They are one stage of our life cycle. In that sense, they *are* organisms.

 

[FearGod]

Actually, yes they do. They use the diploid stage to reproduce. That diploid stage is multi-cellular (and we identify them as people). But it is just as reasonable to say we are the gametes way of reproducing gametes as the opposite.



They are one stage of our life cycle. In that sense, they *are* organisms.

Can the sperm and the egg reproduce out of the womb?
Do you agree that life came to existence from non living matter?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Can the sperm and the egg reproduce out of the womb?
Do you agree that life came to existence from non living matter?

This question appears to be another red herring. Why do you ask?

 

[Polymath257]

Can the sperm and the egg reproduce out of the womb?
Do you agree that life came to existence from non living matter?

Can we reproduce without sperm and egg?

Yes, life came from non-life. But the sperm and egg *are* alive. The time when life formed was a few billion years ago, not any time recently.

But, as I said before, ALL life is made, even today, from non-living atoms. NONE of the atoms in your body are alive. But the structures that they form and the dynamics of those structures *is* life.

 

[ecco]

The living organism should reproduce new similar organisms, the sperm and the egg
aren't living organisms simply because they don't reproduce.

So, mules are not living things?
So, a female human who was born with a malformed uterus is not a living thing?

You need to rethink your definition of "living organism".

 

[FearGod]

Can we reproduce without sperm and egg?

Yes, life came from non-life. But the sperm and egg *are* alive. The time when life formed was a few billion years ago, not any time recently.

But, as I said before, ALL life is made, even today, from non-living atoms. NONE of the atoms in your body are alive. But the structures that they form and the dynamics of those structures *is* life.

Life has to continue for mutation and evolution to take place, if there were no reproduction
from the start then life will end eventually, life without reproduction is meaningless.

My point is very simple, life wasn't on earth during its formation, life came later on,
so in simple words it was non living matter before living matter appeared.

God said that he made life into the non living matter, what strange in it?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Life has to continue for mutation and evolution to take place, if there were no reproduction
from the start then life will end eventually, life without reproduction is meaningless.

My point is very simple, life wasn't on earth during its formation, life came later on,
so in simple words it was non living matter before living matter appeared.

God said that he made life into the non living matter, what strange on that?

Where did God say that? It appears that you are reinterpretting the Quran after the fact.

 

[Polymath257]

Life has to continue for mutation and evolution to take place, if there were no reproduction
from the start then life will end eventually, life without reproduction is meaningless.

My point is very simple, life wasn't on earth during its formation, life came later on,
so in simple words it was non living matter before living matter appeared.

God said that he made life into the non living matter, what strange in it?

Who said *that* was the strange point?

 

[FearGod]

Who said *that* was the strange point?

That God created man from the non living matter.

 

[Polymath257]

That God created man from the non living matter.

The problem is NOT creating life from non-living matter. It is the unnecessary introduction of a deity into questions of origins that is the problem.

Some have attempted to say that the chemicals found in our bodies correspond to the chemicals found in the Earth's crust. THAT is not the case.

 

[Thief]

you can't have it both ways

the chemistry responds
you are held in that container you call a body

if the container is not alive........then it's your spirit

OK, I see no argument here. Just complaints about the nature of reality.

We form our own meaning. We form our own meaning.

you are not your own creation
you are not your own handiwork

we don't 'form' anything but the spirit we become

the form of Man is the handiwork of God
Day Six....evolution
Chapter Two.....manipulation to alter that form

Adam is a chosen son of God
new testament

 

[Thief]

The problem is NOT creating life from non-living matter. It is the unnecessary introduction of a deity into questions of origins that is the problem.

Some have attempted to say that the chemicals found in our bodies correspond to the chemicals found in the Earth's crust. THAT is not the case.

the dead do not beget the living

and all that you are made of came up from the ground

you're still eating....are you not?

 

[Polymath257]

the dead do not bege the living

Not currently. But most nutritional resources are bound up in living things now (or recently dead things).

 

[Thief]

Not currently. But most nutritional resources are bound up in living things now (or recently dead things).

so....what you consume......is not of this earth?

et pizza guy?.....at your call?

 

[FearGod]

The problem is NOT creating life from non-living matter. It is the unnecessary introduction of a deity into questions of origins that is the problem.

Some have attempted to say that the chemicals found in our bodies correspond to the chemicals found in the Earth's crust. THAT is not the case.

See verse (23:12) and the word سلالة , the word means strain, it says that God created man
of strain made of clay(non living matter) and also the word سلالة means chain.

I understand it's very hard for you to see the beauty of the verse due to the language.

 

[Polymath257]

See verse (23:12) and the word سلالة , the word means strain, it says that God created man
of strain made of clay(non living matter) and also the word سلالة means chain.

I understand it's very hard for you to see the beauty of the verse due to the language.

The beauty of the language has little to do with the truth of what is said. Could you give a reasonably accurate translation?

 

[FearGod]

The beauty of the language has little to do with the truth of what is said. Could you give a reasonably accurate translation?

I think you can understand the verse yourself by understanding the words.

The verse in green, it says we created human from a string of chain made of clay,
the same word means genetics or descent, usually the quran uses one
word with several meanings to explain the meaning of the verse.

 

[Father Heathen]

Instead of digressing with a ridiculous straw man argument, why not simply refrain from posting if you're incapable of answering the question posed by the OP? It would be appreciated if you didn't cover the cheeseboard in pigeon poop.

FFS, I just noticed that I said "cheeseboard" instead of "chessboard", but too late to edit now...

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think you can understand the verse yourself by understanding the words.

The verse in green, it says we created human from a string of chain made of clay,
the same word means genetics or descent, usually the quran uses one
word with several meanings to explain the meaning of the verse.

Your images are not posting here. At least not for me. Does anyone see anything?