For everyone - 'The BIG PICTURE'.

[Road Less Traveled]

God has only ever wanted our hearts, free will choice .

Blood sacrifice, disaster, and more suffering are needed then to coerce mankind through fear in order to conform? That would not be free will in action for an individual who is coerced via fear of those in order to conform.

 

[Thief]

What space is really empty? Most likely it could be filled with what we can not yet see?

scrunching the universe into that primordial singularity....
matter does not exist as we know it

it can't

and substance is not self motivated

So......Spirit first

 

[Shad]

The question is simple, what do you see as 'The Big Picture, either based in your thoughts gained from your Faith, or if you have no Faith, thoughts of what man can achieve.

I will post what I see in the future that will most likely unfold from what I understand in the Baha'i Faith as the OP progresses.

It will be great to see what visions or thoughts people have of the future to come.

Regards Tony

Short term (a few centuries). Decline of the nation-state with corporations filling the void. Expansion of corporations in colonization of the solar system giving rise to whole new power bloc that, in time, can cut off Earth and ignore it.

 

[Aupmanyav]

.. one God and with that vision adapt to laws suited to this age.

You know that is not the Hindu view. There are many Gods apart from Krishna and 'dharma' is eternal (Sanatana). It does not require repeated changes. The meaning of being 'humane' has remained the same all the time. A 'dharma' which will require repeated changes is a faulty 'dharma'.

I do not see your big picture vision posted there.

Ah! Now that you remind me, I post. There is no God. Brahman constitutes all things in the universe, living and non-living, including air, water and sand. All living beings are none other than Brahman, including Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam, Gadafi, Osama, Caliph Ibrahim, Trump and Kim Jong-Un. My big picture does not incorporate any exception whatsoever nor it gives special importance to anyone. The books said:
"Sarvam Khalu Idam Brahma" (All things here are Brahman).

 

[Road Less Traveled]

One has ro consider in my world vision, my adopted big picture, is that I see a Christain never gives up Jesus the Christ, a Buddhist does not give up Buddha, a Muslim does not give up Muhammad, a Krishna Hindu does not give up Krishna, they one and all acknowledge we are one human race with one God and with that vision adapt to laws suited to this age.

God, Baha'u'llah and all Mesengers have never claim earthly Kingship. That has always been left for man, thier Kings and Rulers.

God has only ever wanted our hearts, free will choice .

Regards Tony

Are you suggesting that there can be a one world religion in which polytheists become monotheists, everyone can keep 1 being associated with their religion, with also all religions abolishing a lot of their laws and morphing into all of Baha’u’llah’s commands/laws to recognize this current age? I’m sure that some of those religions already have compatible laws with Baha’u’llah’s laws such as no homosexuals being able to marry, etc.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I’m sure that some of those religions already have compatible laws with Baha’u’llah’s laws such as no homosexuals being able to marry, etc.

To inform you that there is no ban on marriage of LGBTQ in India, though they have yet not been recognized officially. There were always marriages in the LGBTQ society, though the two societies kept some distance from each other.

 

[dybmh]

@siti , @Tony Bristow-Stagg ,

Tony, as usual, I agree with you to a point. In this case, I think we disagree on practical application of a shared core value.

I think it's important to develop a shared language, but not in a literal manner. In this way, I think I agree with Siti both in principle and practice. Where as I agree with you in principle only.

If there is a global catastrophic event in the future, I think the most important asset humanity has to lesson it's damage is adaptability and diversity. Note: adaptability is not unity. And this is the point, I think, @PruePhillip is making. And I agree with him. People who choose to be isolated in their culture, language, beliefs should remain isolated. This respect for each cultures choices, beliefs, and core values IS the link that can unite dissimilar people with opposing beliefs.

Being united, IMHO, does not mean that everyone is doing the same thing at the same time and in the same way. ( It can mean that, but doing so is the Corporate/Monsanto approach to human culture, belief, and non-belief. ) Are you familiar with Monsanto Corporation, Tony? I mentioned them once before months ago. Do you remember? Monsanto is a corporation that was made famous because of its approach to Bovine Growth Hormone, and Trademarking Genetically Modified crops. Small family farms in the US have been opposed to Monsanto for multiple reasons. But the most cogent argument made against Monsanto is that they discourage organic adaptions which happen in nature. For those of us who believe in God, this is in opposition to God's divine plan as represented in the natural world.

Encouraging a single spoken language, a single religious belief system, a single world government sounds nice to some. But to me, it sounds unnatural.

Diverse languages, diverse religious beliefs ( and non-beliefs ), diverse governments, IMHO, renders adaptability, flexibility, and ingenuity. And, that's why I think the minority view needs to be protected and preserved. That is the position I often take in debates, and it is based on my firm belief that if minority beliefs are squashed, everyone suffers. Protecting the beliefs, cultures, and languages of the few is a service everyone. And in my opinion, It is a service to God.

How would I propose to apply this principle? It starts with being respectful. I think it is a bad idea to interfere with other dissimilar cultures, languages, beliefs/non-beliefs. That means no-preaching. Sharing ideas, sharing resources, has it's place. But if a subset of a group of people wishes to be left alone, I think they should be left alone and supported in their desire to remain isolated. Then, if/when a Global/Catastrophic event occurs, the respect that has been practiced will be the uniting factor that permits cooperation during the crisis.

This approach, IMO, gives the best of both worlds. Respect renders unity when it is needed and fosters diversity so that humanity is flexible and adaptive to unknown challenges of the future.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The question is simple, what do you see as 'The Big Picture, either based in your thoughts gained from your Faith, or if you have no Faith, thoughts of what man can achieve.

I will post what I see in the future that will most likely unfold from what I understand in the Baha'i Faith as the OP progresses.

It will be great to see what visions or thoughts people have of the future to come.

Regards Tony

As long as there's snapshots. Keeps things interesting.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

What type of disasters? To me it is disturbing to think that blood sacrifice, disasters, and even more suffering are needed to teach lessons for anything other than evil.

It is just an observation. People drop everything, give more freely and help out in times of disaster.

Then life goes back to the material pursuits.

I see in the future that the generousity seen at those times will become more of a way of everyday life. Communities will ensure no person is in dire need, that all are cared for.

How will humanity as a whole embrace this caring attitude?

I don’t perceive it as peaceable trying to conform polytheists into monotheists.

My vision of the future sees everyone makes their own choice, but I see the acceptance that we are one human race will also show that we come from the same source, a source that has an infinite amount of names and attributes. The Most Great Peace will be this knowledge.

We will understand that the rainbow is refracted white light.

Regards Tony

 

[stvdv]

The Big Picture

Only Consciousness is real, all else is just a Super Imposition on Consciousness.
This Truth will never change. Big Picture is just another Super Imposition.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

scrunching the universe into that primordial singularity....
matter does not exist as we know it

it can't

and substance is not self motivated

So......Spirit first

My current vision of life sees that Spirit is the cause. I also see God always has had a cause, but is outside that cause. Anything we can perceive is just the cause. I see that cause is God's Manifestations, creation issued forth from the Word of God.

This tablet is where I draw my thoughts from;

Tablet of the Universe

It is a provisional translation, so it may need revision.

I also see that tablet contains an amazing vision of who and what we really are.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Are you suggesting that there can be a one world religion in which polytheists become monotheists, everyone can keep 1 being associated with their religion, with also all religions abolishing a lot of their laws and morphing into all of Baha’u’llah’s commands/laws to recognize this current age? I’m sure that some of those religions already have compatible laws with Baha’u’llah’s laws such as no homosexuals being able to marry, etc.

I see a future where people, with the aid of science, will adopt new frames of references as to what they beleive. They will see it in a different light.

That after all is how change happens. Science shows how we have to adapt and progress in thoughts as new information comes to light. Faith is no different.

Change in the human heart is really the greatest test we all face.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

@siti , @Tony Bristow-Stagg ,

Tony, as usual, I agree with you to a point. In this case, I think we disagree on practical application of a shared core value.

I think it's important to develop a shared language, but not in a literal manner. In this way, I think I agree with Siti both in principle and practice. Where as I agree with you in principle only.

If there is a global catastrophic event in the future, I think the most important asset humanity has to lesson it's damage is adaptability and diversity. Note: adaptability is not unity. And this is the point, I think, @PruePhillip is making. And I agree with him. People who choose to be isolated in their culture, language, beliefs should remain isolated. This respect for each cultures choices, beliefs, and core values IS the link that can unite dissimilar people with opposing beliefs.

Being united, IMHO, does not mean that everyone is doing the same thing at the same time and in the same way. ( It can mean that, but doing so is the Corporate/Monsanto approach to human culture, belief, and non-belief. ) Are you familiar with Monsanto Corporation, Tony? I mentioned them once before months ago. Do you remember? Monsanto is a corporation that was made famous because of its approach to Bovine Growth Hormone, and Trademarking Genetically Modified crops. Small family farms in the US have been opposed to Monsanto for multiple reasons. But the most cogent argument made against Monsanto is that they discourage organic adaptions which happen in nature. For those of us who believe in God, this is in opposition to God's divine plan as represented in the natural world.

Encouraging a single spoken language, a single religious belief system, a single world government sounds nice to some. But to me, it sounds unnatural.

Diverse languages, diverse religious beliefs ( and non-beliefs ), diverse governments, IMHO, renders adaptability, flexibility, and ingenuity. And, that's why I think the minority view needs to be protected and preserved. That is the position I often take in debates, and it is based on my firm belief that if minority beliefs are squashed, everyone suffers. Protecting the beliefs, cultures, and languages of the few is a service everyone. And in my opinion, It is a service to God.

How would I propose to apply this principle? It starts with being respectful. I think it is a bad idea to interfere with other dissimilar cultures, languages, beliefs/non-beliefs. That means no-preaching. Sharing ideas, sharing resources, has it's place. But if a subset of a group of people wishes to be left alone, I think they should be left alone and supported in their desire to remain isolated. Then, if/when a Global/Catastrophic event occurs, the respect that has been practiced will be the uniting factor that permits cooperation during the crisis.

This approach, IMO, gives the best of both worlds. Respect renders unity when it is needed and fosters diversity so that humanity is flexible and adaptive to unknown challenges of the future.

Sorry time is short and boy, there is a lot in that post.

There is much I agree with.

As to the bigger picture, personally I see it grows from what it is to be a member of a family. For a family unit to work one must be a useful part of the family, doing the tasks needed to be done and not become a servant to only ones own self.

Thus I see we are the family of man, each nation a part of that family, each community in those nations giving diversity to the family unit.

I see we can no longer become selfish and not work for the whole family unit. That does require a certain level of sacrafice of ones own desires.

Of course that has a greater complexity we must all sort out.

Regards Tony

 

[Road Less Traveled]

It is just an observation. People drop everything, give more freely and help out in times of disaster.

Then life goes back to the material pursuits.

That would sound futile: blood sacrifices, disaster, suffering just for temporary care. Not many would be able to help much without a pursuit for the material to begin with. A lot of building back up after a disaster requires money and material. What kind of disasters do you have in mind?

will also show that we come from the same source

Hopefully that source isn’t accurate from the OT for your quest, as it seemed mankind were all united before and on the same page and then that particular alleged source decided to confuse and divide them all.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Only Consciousness is real, all else is just a Super Imposition on Consciousness.
This Truth will never change. Big Picture is just another Super Imposition.

I see that as an embryo soul, in the matrix of this world, we have a choice to be a part in what undolds in the Consciousness, by freewill use of mind.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That would sound futile: blood sacrifices, disaster, suffering just for temporary care. Not many would be able to help much without a pursuit for the material to begin with. A lot of building back up after a disaster requires money and material. What kind of disasters do you have in mind?

I do not have any in mind.

I see there will be great change. How that change will happen is yet unknown. It could be of our own doing?

Wealth is good when it is shared. I see Extremes of wealth and poverty will not exist, in a well balanced caring society.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Hopefully that source isn’t accurate from the OT for your quest, as it seemed mankind were all united before and on the same page and then that particular alleged source decided to confuse and divi

Have you any ideas as to the bigger picture, how we may find unity?

Regards Tony

 

[Road Less Traveled]

Have you any ideas as to the bigger picture, how we may find unity?

Regards Tony

Tony, I don’t think you’d want my perception on the current overall state of mankind, and where they are headed and how to escape the kool-aid.

 

[osgart]

I do not see any unifying principle that would unite all of mankind. Humanity has an ever growing atheist/naturalist population. I am unable to see all religions unifying into one religion. Generations come and go, and only prosperity keeps people from war.
A one world government would ruin all the progress made in the 20th and 21st century and would likely lead to losses of personal freedoms.

I have no faith that people are becoming more moral. I see the contrary happening.
To remove all the divisions of mankind would lead to a false peace, and utter destruction. Every individual and faction of society has different competing visions.

The past is a bloody history of humanity. The present is tension filled, and the divisions are very real issues. The future will probably see religion fade from existence, and science/technology could be helpful or massively destructive.

Humanity's version of universal peace to me seems to be a false one, lacking freedoms, rights, and privacy. Humans by nature are not peaceful creatures. I am amazed that we have not massively destroyed ourselves by now.

If ever there were universal peace it would happen gradually, and it would be a painfully slow process.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Tony, I don’t think you’d want my perception on the current overall state of mankind, and where they are headed and how to escape the kool-aid.

Thats quite ok, I found many do not like the vision I have embraced either.

At the same time, I see certain elements that people have thus put forward, will indeed unfold.

If you give your view, I am happy to share what I see may unfold from your ideas.

Regards Tony