For the love of god, can someone explain who created god?

[Apologetics]

True, though we can recognize the fingerprints of creative intelligence, purpose, design, versus blind chance and chaos, with increasing scientific understanding. The more we learn, the less likely blind chance appears to be as an explanation

Yes thats called enlightenment!. Yes the more we learn about how extremely complex life really is the more we realize that a designer has to be the conclusion Correct?

 

[Apologetics]

You don't seem to understand the argument. By the same "logic" that the universe needs a creator the creator needs a creator too. Science can only go so far. Claiming that a god did it is not an answer since it cannot be supported by evidence. At best you should follow the lead of scientists when they say "We don't know the answer to that . . . yet."

Excellent point Guy!!!!

 

[savagewind]

You appear to be very confused, or you are being dishonest. You quoted out of context and tried to put a false meaning on my pist. What did you say about avoiding the subject?

I think that "creationists" likely believe in the literal Bible words of the creation. It is not what the thread is about. Right? The thread is about the existence of the creator. Right?

This is what I was replying to.

..... since creationism was shown to be wrong over 100 years ago I would be surprised at this point to see a sensible argument against evolution.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Yes thats called enlightenment!. Yes the more we learn about how extremely complex life really is the more we realize that a designer has to be the conclusion Correct?

It seems so, it has come down to that, or some sort of infinite probability machine like the 'Multiverse' to account for all the complexity being designed accidentally... which seems a little bit of a stretch!?

I agree with you ultimately though I think, that God is to be found personally, through faith, not by a lab experiment..

 

[savagewind]

What I mean is that if all the universe can exist without a creator then why can't a creator exist without another creator?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Like I said you will never ever come to the truth through your scientific tools of seeing touching and feeling. Those are elements of this physical realm we live in. The answer to your quest to understand why is there always something else where something else came from is rooted outside of this physical real. Questions like where did we come from? Why are we hear? What is the purpose of Life? What is right and wrong? What is Good and bad. Those are all internal quests of a searching soul for answers. Those questions can not be answered by a scientific calculation.

Your quest for how did all this come to be. Where did it all come from? Is evidence of the desire to seek and know the creator which he by design put within you. Its a spiritual Journey not a scientific journey that will lead to the truth of where all this came from. There is a scriptures that says Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. That reward is him revealing his Majesty to you.

Yea I know Jargon language to you Yea I know no empirical evidence to support my claim The scientific way.

But none the less Death will come to you. You will succumb to it. You will be no more. You will be forgotton and never be remembered again. Your life is a temporary existence. Those of us who know the Majesty on High seek an eternal existence. Where the Majesty shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Rev 21:4

That can not be attained through science

Let's try to keep superstition out of the discussion. You have made quite a few claims. You cannot seem to support them. When one tried to shift the burden of proof, as you have, it indicates that that person knows that he has nothing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What I mean is that if all the universe can exist without a creator then why can't a creator exist without another creator?

A creator can exist without a creator using that line of thinking. The problem is that there is no evidence of such a creator.

 

[Apologetics]

What I mean is that if all the universe can exist without a creator then why can't a creator exist without another creator?

Good point!!!

 

[Apologetics]

Let's try to keep superstition out of the discussion. You have made quite a few claims. You cannot seem to support them. When one tried to shift the burden of proof, as you have, it indicates that that person knows that he has nothing.

Ive exhausted pretty much all that I have to offer on this subject. Thanks for replying to my responses.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ive exhausted pretty much all that I have to offer on this subject. Thanks for replying to my responses.

The problem is that you have a whole lot of nothing and you don't seem to realise it. Or did you forget your failure to understand the concept of evidence already?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Good point!!!

No, that only showed that he could not follow the discussion.

 

[Apologetics]

The problem is that you have a whole lot of nothing and you don't seem to realise it. Or did you forget your failure to understand the concept of evidence already?

Im done Thx

 

[Subduction Zone]

Im done Thx

You may have a valid reason for your beliefs. But so far you have used poor arguments. You should try to learn from your errors so that you do not repeat them.

 

[savagewind]

No, that only showed that he could not follow the discussion.

I wonder if you actually know what you do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I wonder if you actually know what you do.

Why would you think that?

 

[savagewind]

Why would you think that?

You have no proof I am thinking.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have no proof I am thinking.

But I do have evidence

 

[savagewind]

But I do have evidence

I think you mean that there exists evidence that you and others can observe. I say so because I believe most people who believe in The Creator have evidence, but like in my case, it is personal and can not be shared.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think you mean that there exists evidence that you and others can observe. I say so because I believe most people who believe in The Creator have evidence, but like in my case, it is personal and can not be shared.

I tend to ignore personal evidence since it is not very reliable. One can always justify one's beliefs using that, regardless of what one believes.

 

[savagewind]

I tend to ignore personal evidence since it is not very reliable. One can always justify one's beliefs using that, regardless of what one believes.

You tend to ignore other people's personal evidence or your own personal evidence? In other words, you might have made yourself blind to some kinds of evidence.