For the love of god, can someone explain who created god?

[Subduction Zone]

You tend to ignore other people's personal evidence or your own personal evidence? In other words, you might have made yourself blind to some kinds of evidence.

I pretty much ignore all unreliable evidence. It is all but impossible to ignore one's own personal evidence, but I try to keep an open mind in regards to it.

 

[savagewind]

I pretty much ignore all unreliable evidence. It is all but impossible to ignore one's own personal evidence, but I try to keep an open mind in regards to it.

You sound ready to meet your maker.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes thats called enlightenment!. Yes the more we learn about how extremely complex life really is the more we realize that a designer has to be the conclusion Correct?

That is merely an argument from ignorance. There is no evidence that a designer is needed.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You sound ready to meet your maker.

If I even have one.

 

[savagewind]

If I even have one.

I am sure that nobody knows for real. We all and all of this might just be one person's awful dream. Who knows?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

What I mean is that if all the universe can exist without a creator then why can't a creator exist without another creator?

Good point!!!

Yes, after all, this 'accidental' reality already produced sentient, creative beings by sheer fluke, according to atheist beliefs- just the kinda thing that tends to happen when you through some random numbers around right?

Yet this same mechanism also somehow strictly forbids the creation of anything that could be described as God!?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, after all, this 'accidental' reality already produced sentient, creative beings by sheer fluke, according to atheist beliefs- just the kinda thing that tends to happen when you through some random numbers around right?

Yet this same mechanism also somehow strictly forbids the creation of anything that could be described as God!?

Once again with the strawman arguments. You do realize that misrepresenting your foes views indicates that you are not too sure of your own beliefs, don't you?

 

[Truly Enlightened]

Like I said you will never ever come to the truth through your scientific tools of seeing touching and feeling. Those are elements of this physical realm we live in. The answer to your quest to understand why is there always something else where something else came from is rooted outside of this physical real. Questions like where did we come from? Why are we hear? What is the purpose of Life? What is right and wrong? What is Good and bad. Those are all internal quests of a searching soul for answers. Those questions can not be answered by a scientific calculation.

Your quest for how did all this come to be. Where did it all come from? Is evidence of the desire to seek and know the creator which he by design put within you. Its a spiritual Journey not a scientific journey that will lead to the truth of where all this came from. There is a scriptures that says Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. That reward is him revealing his Majesty to you.

Yea I know Jargon language to you Yea I know no empirical evidence to support my claim The scientific way.

But none the less Death will come to you. You will succumb to it. You will be no more. You will be forgotton and never be remembered again. Your life is a temporary existence. Those of us who know the Majesty on High seek an eternal existence. Where the Majesty shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Rev 21:4

That can not be attained through science

"But none the less Death will come to you. You will succumb to it. You will be no more. You will be forgotton and never be remembered again. Your life is a temporary existence. Those of us who know the Majesty on High seek an eternal existence. Where the Majesty shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. Rev 21:4"

We've all been there and done that. Can you remember life before you were born? What about the period when you go to sleep and wake up? Do you remember any sorrow, crying, pain, suffering, or anything spiritual in 1776? Of course not. Why would anyone fear the absolute peace of non-existence(death)? Yet in spite of all the verbiage of spiritual enlightenment and everlasting salvation, very few people are willing to die first to get there. As long as doubt exists, we will all cling to life like any other animal with an innate sense for survival. Like my father once told me, "everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die first". It is so easy to preach, but it is much harder to practice or lead by example.

Why is it necessary to create a Religiosity to give the illusion that death is only a "temporal existence"? Because, knowing that death is not a temporal condition will create a cognitive dissonance in most people, which must be reconciled to avoid more serious issues. Those that have accepted death as part of Nature's natural cycle of life, have no need to create elaborate beliefs systems to reconcile for their fear of the inevitable.

There was nothing before life, and there will be nothing after life. Life was not meant to be constrained by Pious servitude, or any artificial set of social instructions. Life should not be shackled by any imaginary guilt from any imaginary sin. Life should never submit itself to any stagnant belief system that can limit its ability to learn about itself. Rejoice in the fact that you are experiencing the true nature of existence through the miracle of your senses. Even more so, you can experience life with the unique evolved sense of self-awareness. What could be better than that? Don

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I have conducted the further inquiry and have made an intellectual conclusion


Here is what we both know that is certain and verifiable

1.We breath and live

Sure.

2.The functions of our body are extremely unbelievably complicated

In what sense? How do you measure complexity?

3.We all at one point will cease to live.

Perhaps.

4. All the material in the universe did not come into existence of its own accord.

We can't assert that.

Beyond that is the following:

My intelligence see's the hand of a designer/creator in all the complexity of life. A Maker

Why?

You see the same complexity,knowing full well it came to be, somehow. Ruling out the impossibility of a greater being beyond mankind.

2 different paths

None of that makes sense.

 

[BilliardsBall]

No, there is a mere handful of science deniers. Any large enough group will have some loons in it. By percentage the acceptance of evolution is almost universal among scientists.

But the percentage of theists is almost universal among people, so . . .

 

[BilliardsBall]

That is because you are relying on ignorant fools. By the way, name one skeptical scientist that supports your claim and has an expertise in that area. At best it looks like you are making an argument from ignorance.

You do not seem to realize that nature is not as random as you think that it is. The amino acids in proteins cause the protein to "fold". Basic chemistry limits those folds making the strawman arguments of creationists worthless. Like I said all that one has to do to refute an "odds argument" is to find the strawman.

And DNA can't just be in the right string, but must fold so it meets properly!

 

[BilliardsBall]

Eh. Sure there are. I totally believe you.

Or not.



This.

I should expect so-called creationists to play fast and loose with facts, but it still impresses me.

By percentage, also, most persons are theists. How come you didn't call an ad populum on the other poster?

 

[Subduction Zone]

But the percentage of theists is almost universal among people, so . . .

Why try to change the subject? Changing the subject is a tacit admission that one is wrong.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And DNA can't just be in the right string, but must fold so it meets properly!

Word salad that tells us you have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[ronandcarol]

For the love of god, can someone explain who created god?
God existed before time.....He created everything that is created.
I think that people tend to debate and try to figure out things that have no explanation. It is more practical to try and figure out why Adam called a cow a cow and a bird a bird. When God had him name all animals why was a lion named a lion, where did he come up with all of those names?????
Gen. 2:19, So out of the ground the LORD God formed every animal of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.


ronandcarol

 

[Subduction Zone]

For the love of god, can someone explain who created god?
God existed before time.....He created everything that is created.
I think that people tend to debate and try to figure out things that have no explanation. It is more practical to try and figure out why Adam called a cow a cow and a bird a bird. When God had him name all animals why was a lion named a lion, where did he come up with all of those names?????
Gen. 2:19, So out of the ground the LORD God formed every animal of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.


ronandcarol

This thread is not about the Genesis creation myth.

 

[ArtieE]

Yet this same mechanism also somehow strictly forbids the creation of anything that could be described as God!?

How could this mechanism create God when you say God wasn't created?

 

[Audie]

Yes, after all, this 'accidental' reality already produced sentient, creative beings by sheer fluke, according to atheist beliefs- just the kinda thing that tends to happen when you through some random numbers around right?

Yet this same mechanism also somehow strictly forbids the creation of anything that could be described as God!?

I wonder why you find it necessary or desirable to just make things up about people you do not know, and ideas you do not understand?

The sarcastic delivery just make you look more foolish,
dont you think so?

 

[Guy Threepwood]

I wonder why you find it necessary or desirable to just make things up about people you do not know, and ideas you do not understand?

The sarcastic delivery just make you look more foolish,
dont you think so?

I can only speak for myself, as an ex-atheist; that used to be my belief. But I think many people still hold to something very similar

So I don't assume people 'don't understand' simply because they disagree, - I used to (as an atheist)

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I can only speak for myself,

So stop speaking for other people, then.