For The Record...

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Your whole study is done on latinos, not the general population.

I clicked on the first site on your link. If you don't like me making a point that speaks against your conclusion with your own source, get a different source.

 

[Lyndon]

Well then click on the other links, they all refute your position

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well then click on the other links, they all refute your position

Make your own arguments. I'll respond if I feel like it.

 

[Lyndon]

Read the articles in the link, then you can speak

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Read the articles in the link, then you can speak

No. And I'm going to keep telling you what's wrong with your arguments as long as it suits me.

Do you think it's reasonable to ask me to read 111,000,000 articles?

Edit: how many of them have you actually read? Since it seems like you didn't even read the first one, I question whether you've read any of them at all.

 

[Lyndon]

your argument is completely without merit, the idea that deeply religious people are all doing drugs like the rest of the population is just plain ridiculous, It shows a certain ignorance of religious people in general.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

your argument is completely without merit,

We're talking about YOUR argument, remember?

You know: the one that you failed to support?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'm not trying to lead into into a rabbit hole, I am just curious what you think since you seem to have an intelligent opinion about this subject. But if you wish to avoid it, I understand.

I'm just scratching my head at what you think this could possibly have to do with taxpayer-funded teachers in a government school being officially sanctioned to make life difficult for their LGBT students.

It would be a violation of the student's rights even if it happened at a private school. The fact that it happens at government schools makes it a violation of my rights as well.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I am saddened because you think you can know God through human wisdom alone. Do you believe any part of the Bible is genuinely God's word at all? Do you value Proverbs 3:5 at all?

After you trust in God, don't you have to rely on your understanding of what God wants from you?

No one has imposed anything on you unless you've been to a country in which you get jailed or killed because you don't agree with their beliefs.

People go to prison for violating "standard" religious beliefs, which is how we can get a man to shoot a woman and barely gets in trouble while a woman merely gives a warning shot to an abusive husband and goes to jail and how a mother who miscarried can be put away for killing a child.

So should the public schools teach macro-evolution or creation or just leave the subject alone?

When you can look at our tissues and see we're made of someone made out of dirt, we can teach creation outside of a comparative religion class. Until then, we go where the DNA goes.

An hour is not enough time to list all the various creation myths.

Just have a nice graph or chart:
Religions that say we came from animals: blah blah blah
Religions that say we came from minor gods or "first couples" of divine origin: blah blah blah
Religions that say we came from the environment: blah blah blah

I mean, even with all the different origin stories, there are general themes you could sum up in a Venn or something.

do you realize that its the religious kids in school that usually don't waste their lives on drugs, alcohol and crime, certainly there are benefits to being religious

LOL. Someone doesn't get much news about children today.

So you deny that religious people on average do less drugs than non religious people??

Here's an article from NIH. It seems to go along with your point.

This one seems to say something similar, but I love this part:

It was concluded that among this sample of Scottish post-secondary students, having a strong religious commitment was associated with less substance use and that heavy drinking and using tobacco was correlated with illicit drug use. Implications of this study suggest further research to determine why lack of religious commitment, being Roman Catholic or having no religious preference are a risk factors for use of a variety of licit and illicit recreational substances.

(emphasis mine)

Of course, an earlier NIH article (1992 vs 1999) states:

The researchers concluded that there is a difference in frequency of alcohol use, source of alcohol, and age of first alcohol use among LDS, Other Religions and No Religion subgroups. There is no significant difference found among the various religious subgroups for age of first marijuana use of quantity of alcohol use. For all religions except Jews, a lower percentage of Utahns used alcohol than their national counterparts.

Here are some more recent stats of drug use in general
While it doesn't discuss the religious element, given that theists are in the majority in the US ...

If being a Christian helps you avoid doing drugs, why is this site even HERE?

I may be wrong, but isn't Afghanistan a theocracy? From this article

Afghanistan remains the world’s largest illicit producer of opium, and most heroin found in Europe is thought to be manufactured there or in neighbouring Iran or Pakistan.[/quote
I'm not British so I am unfamiliar with this source, but it looks like the US' Bible Belt's problems are also in other countries.

Church attendance is high in Ballymena, the buckle on Ian Paisley's North Antrim Bible belt constituency. But behind the outward image of a bustling, middle class town surrounded by prosperous farmland lurks a shocking secret.

Ballymena is Northern Ireland's heroin capital, home to up to 1,000 addicts, who can score a hit as easily as buy a beer. There have been seven heroin-related deaths there in the past few months, some overdoses, others suicide.

From about 15 minutes on Yahoo, I've determined that if the article is sponsored by a religion, either directly or indirectly, Christianity "saves" drug users, much like AA is supposed to save you and yet I attended one for a psych nursing class and all they did was switch out alcohol for mountains of cigarettes. And yet theocratic areas (or areas that wish they were) tend to rate higher in teen pregnancies, drug use, porn, etc. Hmmm ...

Guess that's what you get when your savior role models by snapping his fingers and making water into wine.

It's pretty loud. Should cover your ears:

God, I love that movie. Saved! was pretty good too.

 

[jonathan180iq]

You assume wrong. My ordination was sponsored by the First Baptist church I grew up in, certified by my state via the county I live in. It is recognized on both the state and federal level. I did it not to be a preacher, but to be able to legally marry family/friends at their request.

My Th.D. came from Bethany Divinity College & Seminary. Because I started my program long before 2013, my coursework is not accredited, even though that college is now accredited through AAHEA. We had the option to move to the new curriculum, but I had already put in 5 years worth and opted out, choosing instead to maintain the old curriculum, as it were. With accreditation comes a higher tuition cost, and that is why many Bible colleges/seminaries choose not to become accredited...it is not cost effective for their small number of students. That and they are not subject to government oversight/regulation because of the 1st Amendment.

My D.D. was honorary on work that I did defining Christian Deism, including a 200 page dissertation on that subject. I have always stated that the D.D. was honorary, and even have it in my profile.

Interestingly enough, I do not go by Doctor, and even tell people not to call me that. I am not about titles or pedestals. Are there any other innuendos you'd like to make?

Dr. PWNED!