For The Record...

[Lyndon]

Prove you wrong;

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131003093041.htm

 

[McBell]

Prove you wrong;

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131003093041.htm

ROTFLMAO

I understand you are desperate, but how does a study of a group of Swiss prove that in the USA the drug users are mostly atheists?

nice try

 

[columbus]

So you deny that religious people on average do less drugs than non religious people??

In my experience, the children of religious people do more drugs, have more irresponsible sex, and are less likely to finish school than the children of religious parents.
Tom

 

[Lyndon]

Its a pretty ignorant statement to claim that there's some great big difference between Swiss youth and American youth, just google do religious people do less drugs than non religious people and you'll see tonnes of studies, a lot of them were from Christian friendly sources so I picked one that was a bona fide scientific study by the Swiss government.

 

[Lyndon]

In my experience, the children of religious people do more drugs, have more irresponsible sex, and are less likely to finish school than the children of religious parents.
Tom

Those are children that are non religious, having religious parents does no make children religious. Anyway the studies online strongly support my claim, you can read or seach from them if you don't believe me.

https://www.google.com/#q=do+religious+people+do+less+drugs+than+non+religious+people

 

[McBell]

Its a pretty ignorant statement to claim that there's some great big difference between Swiss youth and American youth, just google do religious people do less drugs than non religious people and you'll see tonnes of studies, a lot of them were from Christian friendly sources so I picked one that was a bona fide scientific study by the Swiss government.

Really?
So you are saying that if I present a study that says gun deaths amoungst Swiss is at an all time low that it equally applies to the USA?

And you claim my post is ignorant?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

If that's your idea of an intelligent response...... Try again!!

whatever??????????????????

 

[McBell]

Those are children that are non religious, having religious parents does no make children religious. Anyway the studies online strongly support my claim, you can read or seach from them if you don't believe me.

https://www.google.com/#q=do+religious+people+do+less+drugs+than+non+religious+people

I am unable to find a study from a nonreligious bias source that agrees with your claim.
Perhaps you can provide one?

 

[Lyndon]

As I've said before you appear to be some kind of troll, especially with regard my posts, I have yet to read anything interesting or informative to me in your postings, so let's just say I know well to ignore what you say, as it doesn't amount to much.

 

[columbus]

Those are children that are non religious, having religious parents does no make children religious.

No, but they learned about the world from the religion of their parents. And they noticed that religious people will say all kinds of false things, but that doesn't matter much because they don't expect truth from other people.
All they expect is for people to say what they want to hear.
I learned early on. It doesn't matter what I believe, to religious people. They were accustomed to believing untrue things. I only had to say what they wanted to hear, and I was fine.

That is religion in a nutshell. Say what the people want to hear, then you can do whatever you think best.
Tom

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

As I've said before you appear to be some kind of troll, especially with regard my posts, I have yet to read anything interesting or informative to me in your postings, so let's just say I know well to ignore what you say, as it doesn't amount to much.

That's funny... I could swear you said somewhere else that ignoring other people was counter-productive...

 

[Twilight Hue]

How is a belief in God and prayer not practical and beneficial to some people to make a living and survive, do you realize that its the religious kids in school that usually don't waste their lives on drugs, alcohol and crime, certainly there are benefits to being religious.

Religion can certainly help with individual charactor and confidence, yet the center focus should be directed at instruction of Math, Science, History, English and Reading. Those kind of things. It seems things like religion at times tend to take center stage and detracts from the purpose of educating to establish a foundation by which other interests and convictions summarily follow.

 

[McBell]

As I've said before you appear to be some kind of troll, especially with regard my posts, I have yet to read anything interesting or informative to me in your postings, so let's just say I know well to ignore what you say, as it doesn't amount to much.

You are only upset because I call out your bull ****.

The quickest, easiest way to significantly up the intelligent factor of this thread is to put you on ignore.

However, in doing so seriously drops the entertainment value of the thread.


Decision decisions.

 

[Lyndon]

That's funny... I could swear you said somewhere else that ignoring other people was counter-productive...

No, I said that putting them on ignore function was stupid (because you have to idea what kind of garbage they're saying to other posters, and the context of what other posters are responding to them etc,)

You're not on my ignore like Mestimia is, I've seen you make valuable contributions to the forum, not always, but sometimes, and you're not that much of a jerk about expressing your opinions like I'm sure I am!!!!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

How is a belief in God and prayer not practical and beneficial to some people to make a living and survive, do you realize that its the religious kids in school that usually don't waste their lives on drugs, alcohol and crime, certainly there are benefits to being religious.

If you think that religious kids are immune to drugs, alcohol, and crime, you aren't paying attention.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Do you believe in God? Have you ever tried poking and prodding Him to see how loud His voice is?

It's pretty loud. Should cover your ears:

 

[Lyndon]

If you think that religious kids are immune to drugs, alcohol, and crime, you aren't paying attention.

Where did I say that, how does less likely to do drugs get turned into immune to drugs, BS

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Where did I say that, how does less likely to do drugs get turned into immune to drugs, BS

"Usually" immune, then.

So you deny that religious people on average do less drugs than non religious people??

I'll deny that.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Those are children that are non religious, having religious parents does no make children religious. Anyway the studies online strongly support my claim, you can read or seach from them if you don't believe me.

https://www.google.com/#q=do+religious+people+do+less+drugs+than+non+religious+people

From the first link (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043382/):

When religiosity was controlled, however, adolescents with no religious affiliation and adolescents who were religiously affiliated reported similar substance use outcomes.

In their summary of research, De La Rosa and White (2001) described several studies that indicate that religiosity does not always inhibit substance use: Church attendance did not affect the drug use of Latino intravenous drug users or Latino gang members; Latino drug users’ decision to stop using drugs was unaffected by their church activities; Latino gang members with higher church attendance had higher proportions of drug-using friends; and, specifically for Mexican American young men, religious identification and peer drug association were not significantly related. These findings indicate that additional research is needed to clarify whether, when, and how religiosity operates as a protective factor for Latino youth in general and for Mexicans and Mexican Americans in particular.

Furthermore, once religiosity was controlled, Catholic, Protestant, and other religion affiliations were associated with greater lifetime alcohol use, relative to students unaffiliated with a religion.

They also hypothesize about how, in the cases when religiosity does protect against substance abuse, what the mechanism might be:

Religious involvement can protect against substance use by providing opportunities for prosocial activities, which themselves may promote antidrug conduct norms, and for interaction with nondeviant peers (Amoateng & Bahr, 1986). Youth who are involved in religious activities tend to form peer groups with youth who are involved in similar activities, and they are less likely to form friendships with deviant peers (Mason & Windle, 2001; Oetting et al., 1998).

... so it seems strange to me that none of the studies I've seen have done an "apples to apples" comparison where religiously involved kids are compared against non-religious kids with similar opportunities for "prosocial activities", like sports, non-religious community organizations, or social clubs.

 

[Lyndon]

Your whole study is done on latinos, not the general population.