For The Record...

[First Baseman]

That is presuming quite a boatload.

Like I said, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[First Baseman]

Would you feel the same way if you were the one having others' beliefs imposed on you?

Here's an example of what I mean: in most Canadian provinces (including mine), there are government-run, taxpayer-funded Catholic schools.

Since I live in a democratic society, it's my right - and maybe my moral duty - as a citizen and a taxpayer to hold the government to account for its actions. These actions include indoctrinating children into the Catholic faith. Therefore, it becomes my right to question whether it's good or bad to indoctrinate children into the Catholic faith. This opens the door to all sorts of questions about the justification for Catholic beliefs and whether the Catholic Church is a force for good or evil.

The alternative, i.e. to not stick my nose into the business of the Catholic Church, means not allowing citizen oversight of the government. To someone like me who demands a transparent, accountable government, this is unacceptable.

Well, can't those children just go through the motions and reject whatever faith is being taught them? That's what I did when I heard all of the bullcrap about how God doesn't exist, there was no creation, abiogenesis is genuine though no one knows which theory of abiogenesis makes any real sense, macro-evolution is fact when it has never been proven to be factual at all.

Yeah, I know all about what you're talking about. You can either deal with it or move to the USA where what they teach is probably right up your alley.

 

[First Baseman]

Fun fact: this forum is equipped with a private message function for when people want to have a conversation with only one person.

Not so fun fact: I directed a question at a particular individual and at no one else. If you don't like it and it violates some rule have a moderator moderate it or delete it. In the meantime, it is what it is whether you approve of it or not. Clear?

 

[LuisDantas]

Like I said, you don't know what you're talking about.

If true, that would make two of us, don't you think?

 

[First Baseman]

If true, that would make two of us, don't you think?

Nope. I know what I'm talking about and so does the person the question was directed at. That leaves you in the dark. Satisfied now or does your pride demand you ask another foolish question or make another sly comment about it?

 

[savagewind]

Nope. I know what I'm talking about and so does the person the question was directed at. That leaves you in the dark. Satisfied now or does your pride demand you ask another foolish question or make another sly comment about it?

Choose the sly comment

 

[First Baseman]

Choose the sly comment

How have trolling tricks been lately? Any good hooks?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well, can't those children just go through the motions and reject whatever faith is being taught them?

Some probably will. That doesn't mean we shouldn't ask questions about the government pushing religion on kids. If you're right (I don't think you are, but for argument's sake), then the question changes from "why should the government use time and money to indoctrinate kids?" to "why should the government use time and money for something ineffective and useless?"

And in the meantime, even if the Catholicism doesn't take in the kids, there's still a problem with publicly funded schools missing things like proper sex ed and gay-straight alliances.

Even if every kid who went through a Catholic school ended up as an atheist, the protestations of bishops and principals that they can't provide proper sex eds or GSAs without "violating Catholic teaching" mean that we still need to have the conversation about whether Catholic teaching should be dictating policy at government-run schools.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Not so fun fact: I directed a question at a particular individual and at no one else. If you don't like it and it violates some rule have a moderator moderate it or delete it. In the meantime, it is what it is whether you approve of it or not. Clear?

It doesn't violate any rules to go off on a rant based on bad assumptions. It just struck me as odd that someone in a group conversation would be upset that someone in the group was trying to take part in the conversation.

Oh - we also have the One-on-one Debates area, too.

 

[First Baseman]

Some probably will. That doesn't mean we shouldn't ask questions about the government pushing religion on kids. If you're right (I don't think you are, but for argument's sake), then the question changes from "why should the government use time and money to indoctrinate kids?" to "why should the government use time and money for something ineffective and useless?"

And in the meantime, even if the Catholicism doesn't take in the kids, there's still a problem with publicly funded schools missing things like proper sex ed and gay-straight alliances.

Even if every kid who went through a Catholic school ended up as an atheist, the protestations of bishops and principals that they can't provide proper sex eds or GSAs without "violating Catholic teaching" mean that we still need to have the conversation about whether Catholic teaching should be dictating policy at government-run schools.

So should the public schools teach macro-evolution or creation or just leave the subject alone?

 

[First Baseman]

It doesn't violate any rules to go off on a rant based on bad assumptions. It just struck me as odd that someone in a group conversation would be upset that someone in the group was trying to take part in the conversation.

Oh - we also have the One-on-one Debates area, too.

Well, I did inform the individual that the question wasn't directed to him. He is the one who persisted, anyway. I'm not going into all of the background for him here, if he is that interested in it he can read the dialogue between myself and Neo Deist and try to understand it himself. If he still doesn't understand it I couldn't care less since I didn't ask the question of him, anyway, and he was informed of that.

For him to continue to ridicule me could easily be perceived to be trolling. Should I report him for trolling? Nah, he is just being prideful and arrogant in his continued persistence. I can live with that.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So should the public schools teach macro-evolution or creation or just leave the subject alone?

I'm not following you down this rabbit hole.

 

[viole]

So should the public schools teach macro-evolution or creation or just leave the subject alone?

"Macroevolution" is to "creation" in the same ratio as "human embryonic development" is to "trasported by a stork".

Ciao

- viole

 

[First Baseman]

I'm not following you down this rabbit hole.

I'm not trying to lead into into a rabbit hole, I am just curious what you think since you seem to have an intelligent opinion about this subject. But if you wish to avoid it, I understand.

 

[First Baseman]

"Macroevolution" is to "creation" in the same ratio as "human embryonic development" is to "trasported by a stork".

Ciao

- viole

Opinion noted.

 

[columbus]

So should the public schools teach macro-evolution or creation or just leave the subject alone?

Schools should teach the evidence.
The evidence for creationism could be covered in an hour on the first day of elementary biology.
Tom

 

[Lyndon]

Schools should teach the evidence.
The evidence for creationism could be covered in an hour on the first day of elementary biology.
Tom

Exactly, that's exactly what I recommend, devote a class, of one hour, to the multitude of theories encompassing creationism and intelligent design, its only reasonable, why are the evolutionists trying to hide the idea that there might be other answers to the questions of lifes evolution.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Exactly, that's exactly what I recommend, devote a class, of one hour, to the multitude of theories encompassing creationism and intelligent design its only reasonable,

I hope you're ready to include Pastafarian creation theory, the Greek accounts of creation, the Zoroastrian creation story, the Chinese one, the Shinto one etc because it's only reasonable.

It could be reasonably argued that the 'arose from chaos' myths like those of the Greeks fit in better with the Big Bang Theory than the 'created by Intelligent Design' ones like Genesis because there's no way we can know what happened 'before' the Big Bang.

why are the evolutionists trying to hide the idea that there might be other answers to the questions of lifes evolution.

Not all claims are evidenced equally. I was going to say 'created equally' but...

You've admitted elsewhere that you can't provide evidence to support your claims that God exists but you're fighting so hard to have those unevidenced claims recognised by a system that accepts theories & hypotheses based upon the supporting evidence. Talk about trying to have your cake and eat it.

 

[viole]

Exactly, that's exactly what I recommend, devote a class, of one hour, to the multitude of theories encompassing creationism and intelligent design, its only reasonable, why are the evolutionists trying to hide the idea that there might be other answers to the questions of lifes evolution.

And please, let us not forget the alternative explanations of gravitation , either. Like the one that clearly shows how planets can be carried along their orbits by invisible angels with an obsession for conic sections.

One hour. Is all I ask. And let the kids make up their mind.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Lyndon]

And please, let us not forget the alternative explanations of gravitation , either. Like the one that clearly shows how planets can be carried along their orbits by invisible angels with an obsession for conic sections.

One hour. Is all I ask. And let the kids make up their mind.

Ciao

- viole

If that's your idea of an intelligent response...... Try again!!