For Trump, size clearly matters; reality, not so much

[Kenny]

You have to be blind to history to say something so ridiculous. A seat became vacant under President Obama many months before an election, but the Republican-controlled Senate would not even bring it up for a vote until Trump took office.

That is the correct historical fact although they didn’t know if Trump wold win. As a matter of fact, people didn’t think he would win.

Then they rushed through both of Trump's nominations in expedited hearings with very limited vetting of the candidates. Barrett's nomination was rushed so quickly that it was approved literally days before the presidential election in 2020 in order to keep the appointment away from Democrats.

That was the Senate’s job, not Trump.

Trump's packing of the Supreme Court with partisan Senate power-grabbing made heads spin.

Trump did not pack the Supreme Court, he filled available seats. “Packing” would be when you purposefully add 6 more seats to get the Supreme Court to vote your way.

All of this is historical fact.

Today the Supreme Court is well balanced with it sometimes going liberal in decisions, sometimes conservative and sometimes 9-0 unanimous voting.

 

[Kenny]

That is clearer - rather than simply posting some stuff you don’t like you have explained how you think those things connect.

Thank you for asking.

Remember this is an act of your imagination. You can’t expect other people to understand how your imagination joins the dots, unless they are already engaged in the same narrow-minded groupthink, hence the need for an explanation.

I’m sure that goes both ways.

What you are saying here is that you don’t like what the other team is doing, but cheer when your own team does exactly the same things, or worse. The hyperbole about ‘communism’ is your way of excusing this double standard to yourself.

Opinion.

Please provide an example of a state gradually becoming socialist/communist in the manner you describe above.

False analogy and a moving of goal posts.

 

[Kenny]

The candidate you plan to vote for has shown he will use every means at his disposal to cling onto power, regardless of any election result. He wants to be king, not president, and a significant part of his campaign message consists of dehumanising and marginalising anyone who doesn’t bow to his wishes, or who presents a useful scapegoat or object of fearmongering. Look at how he treated his own staff when in office, as just one example. He literally staged press shoots of everyone telling him how great he is, and attacked anyone who wouldn’t let him have his way. If you really think not being able to force other people to accept certain religious views and practices is the worst thing that could happen, you really need to expand your understanding of world history. The US doesn’t exist in a vacuum, as much as some people seem to want to believe that.

This is a work of your imagination IMV based on your perspective.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is the correct historical fact although they didn’t know if Trump wold win. As a matter of fact, people didn’t think he would win.



That was the Senate’s job, not Trump.


Trump did not pack the Supreme Court, he filled available seats. “Packing” would be when you purposefully add 6 more seats to get the Supreme Court to vote your way.

All of this is historical fact.

Today the Supreme Court is well balanced with it sometimes going liberal in decisions, sometimes conservative and sometimes 9-0 unanimous voting.

No, there is more than one way to pack a court. The Republicans changed the rules. They packed the court with judges that lied.

 

[Kenny]

All you are saying here is 'stuff I don't want the other team to do'. It's clear from your other posts that you are more than happy to ignore what your own 'team' gets up to, as long as they win. Politics aside, for your own sake as a person you should straighten out the mess in your head. This isn't about changing your views, but understanding what they are. What you have is a strong feeling dressed up with a load of BS. That's not a good mindset to have. You think you know why you think what you think, but you don't, which is clear from your posts. You are unable to explain your beliefs.

Why, how, will the above lead to 'socialism/communism''? Please explain what you mean. You may be confusing socialism with secular government.

After that, put aside your cherry-picked points, spend some time familiarising yourself with reporting on democrat viewpoints, read some biographies, give it a few months until you get to an understanding of what the democrat party is aiming at. Then, if you still feel the need, you can explain why you think all of that can be neatly crammed down into 'commies!!' etc. When you realise that it can't be, you might want to consider why the places you get your news from tell you that it can.

Opinion based on your perspective and I support you having every right to have an opinion.

I, however, have evidence that they are trying to make it majority vote and packing the court. The rest is logical deduction because you pack a court for a purpose.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is a work of your imagination IMV based on your perspective.

No, that is history.

 

[Tomef]

Opinion based on your perspective and I support you having every right to have an opinion.

I, however, have evidence that they are trying to make it majority vote and packing the court. The rest is logical deduction because you pack a court for a purpose.

If you can’t explain it, you don’t know why you think it.

 

[Tomef]

This is a work of your imagination IMV based on your perspective.

Nope, these are actual real things actually done by a real person, as opposed to imaginary communists doing imaginary things.

 

[Tomef]

False analogy and a moving of goal posts.

Those are your goalposts - you said this has happened in other countries.

 

[Tomef]

Opinion

Of course it’s opinion. All of this is opinion. But opinions need to be based on something.

Why, for example, do you equate getting rid of the much-abused filibuster with impending communism? What is the basis for that idea?

 

[wellwisher]

From The Hill:

Trump, who has long looked to crowd size as a measure of enthusiasm, has taken to social media to deny the legitimacy of the crowd sizes at Harris’s rallies and accuse her of cheating.​

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“Has anyone noticed that Kamala CHEATED at the airport? There was nobody at the plane, and she ‘A.I.’d’ it, and showed a massive ‘crowd’ of so-called followers, BUT THEY DIDN’T EXIST! She was turned in by a maintenance worker at the airport when he noticed the fake crowd picture, but there was nobody there, later confirmed by the reflection of the mirror like finish on the Vice Presidential Plane,” Trump wrote Sunday on his Truth Social platform, reposting a user’s theory about the crowd size, which included photos.​

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“She’s a CHEATER. She had NOBODY waiting, and the ‘crowd’ looked like 10,000 people! Same thing is happening with her fake ‘crowds’ at her speeches,” Trump continued.​

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Trump then called for Harris to be disqualified from running altogether, as he claimed the photo of the crowd was fake and therefore election interference.​

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“This is the way the Democrats win Elections, by CHEATING – And they’re even worse at the Ballot Box. She should be disqualified because the creation of a fake image is ELECTION INTERFERENCE. Anyone who does that will cheat at ANYTHING!” Trump wrote.​

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There is no evidence that Harris has cheated at elections or manipulated photos of her crowds. In fact, photo and video evidence shows thousands of people gathered at the airport.​

From the NYT:

Former President Donald J. Trump has taken his obsession with the large crowds that Vice President Kamala Harris is drawing at her rallies to new heights, falsely declaring in a series of social media posts on Sunday that she had used artificial intelligence to create images and videos of fake crowds.​

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The crowds at Ms. Harris’s events, including one in Detroit outside an airplane hangar, were witnessed by thousands of people and news outlets, including The New York Times, and the number of attendees claimed by her campaign is in line with what was visible on the ground. Mr. Trump falsely wrote on his social media site, Truth Social, that “there was nobody at the plane, and she ‘A.I.’d’ it.”​

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A spokesman for the Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment.​

What is truly pathetic is Trump's willingness to fabricate easily debunked absurdities in the certainty that

1. his MAGA base will lap it up, while
2. his Party will cringe quietly and acquiesce.

Kamala Harris Buses in People From Massachusetts to Her New Hampshire Rally (VIDEO) | Lou Dobbs

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The Harris-Walz Campaign is not organic, but is staged like a type of edited reality TV show. They need the optics to be a certain way. They do not want any unexpected wild cards, while they film their propaganda. To go to a Harris rally you need an ID and then you much bootlick to showing fawning support on camera.

Trump's crowds are organic and he can go off the cuff, and have fun with his crowd, while also knowing that fake news is trying to find any fault to spin everything. The next day the DNC will send out the memo, that everyone in fake news recites. The DNC does not like to leave anything to chance. Even avoiding the media or hostile interviews is needed, so the con job is not made harder by facts and flip flop word salad on policy.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

It’s been so long… refresh my memory. Which one was he found guilty of? Or where in the legal system is it currently at?

When I see something like this, I know that there is no point trying to educate its source. You know what Trump is, which is why you're evading answering.

You've already made it clear that your allegiance is to your religion and to whatever politician will further its theocratic whatever the cost, so it doesn't matter to you what kind of a person Trump is or what he would do to the Constitution or your neighbors as long as he does the church's bidding.

And that is yet another reason for my antitheism and my conviction that the American Christian church is anti-American wherever Americanism gets in its way and thus a net harm to the nation. You would likely be a loyal patriot except for its influence on your thinking and your loyalty. You would likely see that Trump is unfit to be president rather than serve as another of his apologists. And you would know about Trumps indictments and convictions.

I did answer - but you have to use some brain power to see the answer

Your answers are evasive. He asked you, "have you yet addressed Trump's attempts to steal the election, eg, fake electors in 7 states, ordering Pence to over-turn it, threatening Secretaries of States if they don't "find" his needed votes?" Then he told you that your failure to answer was itself an answer. He also wrote, "Magas....no integrity or courage of conviction." You make his case with your dithering. You seem to understand that you need to avoid that topic, which suggests that maybe I wrong about you not feigning ignorance.

I just see that the reason that so many high-profiled Dems are leaving their party because it is actually those in authority in that party that is trying to overturn the government and make it more of a Socialist/Communist country.

And who is that? Tulsi Gabbard?

The big story in that regard today concerns the long list of Republicans endorsing Harris including two Cheneys, Kinzinger, Troye, Grisham, Duncan, Scaramucci, and more: Over 100 Former GOP Officials Sign Letter Endorsing Harris

Regarding the Communists you imagine exist in positions of power in America, you just imbibe whatever the conservative indoctrination media tell you to think and repeat it. Faith in gods is practice for faith in other things later on. You'll find that Christianity clusters in other types of faith-based thought such as calling the 2020 election a hoax, the pandemic and the vaccines hoaxes, and climate change deniers. All of these groups are also harmful to the country.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Kamala Harris Buses in People From Massachusetts to Her New Hampshire Rally (VIDEO) | Lou Dobbs

MSN

You've been had by Fox "News" again.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/buses-used-security-harris-charlotte-rally-not-transport-2024-09-23/

The Harris-Walz Campaign is not organic, but is staged like a type of edited reality TV show. They need the optics to be a certain way. They do not want any unexpected wild cards, while they film their propaganda. To go to a Harris rally you need an ID and then you much bootlick to showing fawning support on camera.

That would be all political campaigns.

Trump's crowds are organic and he can go off the cuff, and have fun with his crowd, while also knowing that fake news is trying to find any fault to spin everything. The next day the DNC will send out the memo, that everyone in fake news recites. The DNC does not like to leave anything to chance. Even avoiding the media or hostile interviews is needed, so the con job is not made harder by facts and flip flop word salad on policy.

Trump's crowds are dwindling and leaving early these days.

Trump is the person repeatedly and irresponsibly sharing fake news every single day of his life.

 

[Kenny]

Those are your goalposts - you said this has happened in other countries.

OK… then you need to clarify “states” vs. “countries”.

Venezuela for one. You start with left leaning teachers in schools and universities (which is already happening here) and then the rest follows suit.

 

[Kenny]

Of course it’s opinion. All of this is opinion. But opinions need to be based on something.

Why, for example, do you equate getting rid of the much-abused filibuster with impending communism? What is the basis for that idea?

I’ve already explained that.

 

[Tomef]

OK… then you need to clarify “states” vs. “countries”.

Venezuela for one. You start with left leaning teachers in schools and universities (which is already happening here) and then the rest follows suit.

That’s not how Venezuela became a communist country. Where did you get that idea?

 

[Kenny]

That’s not how Venezuela became a communist country. Where did you get that idea?

My wife is Venezuelan and I lived there for over a decade… I think I know what happened there. She still has extended family there.

 

[Tomef]

I’ve already explained that.

What you offered is not really an explanation, or, rather, it’s a Fox News explanation, which goes as follows: [insert dubious factoid/exaggeration/wild hyperbole] is happening right now! “Obviously” this can only mean imminent communism/election fraud [etc]. An actual explanation would require infinitely more than that if you want to justify - by means of reference to actual events in the real world - this idea that questioning the filibuster indicates intent to turn the US into a communist state.

I wonder if this is the reason why many in MAGA-land don’t like the quality press. Reality is complex and difficult to understand and explain, hence MAGAs tend to be turned off by complicated and nuanced reporting, preferring the simplistic notions of Tucker Carlson and the like, regardless of how limited they are.

What purpose does the filibuster serve other than as a crude way for the unscrupulous to scupper the plans of the opposite party? Can you provide an instance of when you think it has been used in an effective manner to benefit citizens? Please also explain why you think this use was effective, you could also consider why it might not be seen as effective. That’s how real explanations are arrived at, by considering more than one POV. If you start off from the premise that whatever you happen to think is just somehow logical, just because, you can’t expect anyone who doesn’t already agree with your general worldview to accept it as an explanation.

 

[Revoltingest]

Trump did not pack the Supreme Court, he filled available seats. “Packing” would be when you purposefully add 6 more seats to get the Supreme Court to vote your way.

All of this is historical fact.

No, those are your opinions.

Examples of facts....
Trump promised to reverse Roe v Wade.
His appointments made that happen.

Examples of opinions...
Trump packed SCOTUS to make that happen.
Trump has been sent by God to save the country.

 

[Tomef]

My wife is Venezuelan and I lived there for over a decade… I think I know what happened there. She still has extended family there.

It certainly did not become a communist state as a result of the attitudes of some educators. That is blatant nonsense, If you want to justify that you’ll have to do better than ‘I lived there’. Plenty of people live in a country their whole lives and still don’t have a clue what’s going on.