forbidden?

[starlite]

While a good point, this is her thread and the OP is specific about 18:22. So let's let her comment on 18:20 in the thread dedicated to it, if she choses to participate.

Thank you Trey........and I have just recently posted on your thread which is very good by the way

 

[Father Heathen]

Point is I support the Bible's view and was curious as to who else would respond scripturally....everyone is entitled to their opinion

If you support the Bible's view, then it's safe to assume that you do not consume shellfish, crustaceans or pork or wear mixed fabrics, correct? When you see a farmer rotating crops, a man speaking to a woman during her menstruation cycle, or an officer of the law writing a parking ticket on a Sunday, do you toss stones at them in an attempt to put them to death for their abominations as God commanded? If you have a daughter, how much do you think you could sell her for? Possibly enough to get a whole lot of Jesus fish stickers to cover your whole car with. Sweet deal, eh?

Or are you one of the countless hypocrites who like to cherry pick what's convenient for them to obey and follow out of the bible with the audacity to assume that God would be cool with it?

 

[gwk230]

If you support the Bible's view, then it's safe to assume that you do not consume shellfish, crustaceans or pork or wear mixed fabrics, correct?

Here's a correct explanation. The fabric that is made with something that is considered clean and unclean and is not meant by Yah to be blended together as to Torah and where it be woven together is the fabric I must not wear.

When you see a farmer rotating crops,

Where is it wrong to rotate crops as often as one wanted to? As long as one lived in the land that was given unto them by Yah which was within his theological construct of the Torah then as long as one rotated every seven years then he fulfills his obligation to the contract he made with Yah. He can rotate crops as often as he see’s fit as long as it is done every seven years.

a man speaking to a woman during her menstruation cycle,

Where in Torah is it forbidden for a man to speak to a menstruating woman? Or are you as so many christians and jews with making up things as you go?

or an officer of the law writing a parking ticket on a Sunday,

First off, where in all of the Torah is it forbidden for anyone to do work on the first day of the week? And secondly, even if it be done on the Shabbat, there be necessities of life as was pointed out by Yahshua where he asked those that ridiculed him if their ox fell in a ditch if they wouldn’t help it out on the Shabbat? There are all kinds of jobs that must continue on the Shabbat out of the necessities of life whether it be the Police, Doctors and or the Military. Yahshua went further and explained if you even was hungry as King David did eat that was not meant for him when he went into the Temple and did eat the Shew Bread and as he as well as his disciples did pluck the grain from their pods on the Shabbat day as they passed through a field to eat as they were hungry. The Shabbat was made for man and not that man was made for the Shabbat. You still seem much confused over such simplicity.

do you toss stones at them in an attempt to put them to death for their abominations as God commanded?

LOL. No. First off we are not in the land promised unto the seed of Yacob/Yisrael and secondly we have not all set in place as was commanded unto the sons of Yisrael when they were in the land as a king and judges to make such judgments as to what is written in the Torah. We live in a dispensational period where we live in the land of our enemies as was the curse imposed on those that disobeyed the precepts, ordinances, statutes, instructions and commands of Yah which was given unto his appointed and anointed servant Moshe at Mount Sinai.

If you have a daughter, how much do you think you could sell her for?

IF we were in the land promised and we lived under such authority as the aforementioned theological construct and IF there be such a need to do such a thing as one would be forced to do under certain circumstances then it would be entirely according to what the girl was worth to the buyer.

Possibly enough to get a whole lot of Jesus fish stickers to cover your whole car with. Sweet deal, eh?

I would rather use such items to kindle fires in my fireplace, or trash pit in the back yard, or to mend torn trash bags or to wrap leaky sewer pipes etc. etc. etc.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Where is it wrong to rotate crops as often as one wanted to?

Where in Torah is it forbidden for a man to speak to a menstruating woman? Or are you as so many christians and jews with making up things as you go?

First off, where in all of the Torah is it forbidden for anyone to do work on the first day of the week?

Torah, Torah, Torah. Who said anything about the Torah? We are discussing Leviticus from the Christian bible and all of the above and more can be found there.

 

[gwk230]

Torah, Torah, Torah. Who said anything about the Torah? We are discussing Leviticus from the Christian bible and all of the above and more can be found there.

Who said anything about the Torah?

I did.

We are discussing Leviticus from the Christian bible and all of the above and more can be found there.

The so called book of Leviticus, or Vayichra which in the Hebrew vernacular, of which it was first originally written, means literally “and he called”, is one of the first five books of what is known by most peoples around the globe as the Torah. Even the so called christians understand this and accept it. What has been brought up by the OP is in the Torah and the author of this OP knows and accepts it as being from the Torah. The Torah was here way long before anyone had even uttered the word “christian”.

Any who, who made this thread for christian ideas and opinions only? I might be wrong but I don’t even believe the author of the OP professes to be a christian. This is a open forum under general debates and is open to any and all who might have an opinion on the OP as the OP stated. And you would have the discussion limited to one group of beliefs? Maybe you should start your own thread on this subject in the christian section and adhere to the rules of this Religious Forum. Just a suggestion you understand.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

The so called book of Leviticus, or Vayichra which in the Hebrew vernacular, of which it was first originally written, means literally “and he called”, is one of the first five books of what is known by most peoples around the globe as the Torah.

Then why do you keep asking where in the Torah is it written? It's written in Leviticus. Is there a problem with refering to it by Leviticus or do we have to find out what it is called in the Torah before you'll consider it? In other words, why the "so called" label prior to your saying Leviticus? Are you trying to make your self look more scholarly by refering to it only as the Torah rather than the names of the Christian books from the Bible? No one made this a Christian only thread but the OP was specific in its reference to the Christian bible and called out Leviticus 18:22.

I do not seek to limit any thing, just trying to understand where your coming from as its a bit confusing.

 

[gwk230]

Then why do you keep asking where in the Torah is it written? It's written in Leviticus.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are sincerely confused as to my question and not just trying to back peddle your way out of a situation that you cannot handle with any scriptural integrity, I would challenge you to show where in Leviticus it is written that it is wrong to speak to a woman while having her menstrual cycle?

Is there a problem with refering to it by Leviticus or do we have to find out what it is called in the Torah before you'll consider it? In other words, why the "so called" label prior to your saying Leviticus? Are you trying to make your self look more scholarly by refering to it only as the Torah rather than the names of the Christian books from the Bible?

By all means call it whatever your heart desires. I only am pointing out that the names and words of the Hebrew have meaning and stood for things that which of many was lost in the translation to a more paganistic societies language. First it was translated into the Greek as “biblion to Levitikon” which simply meant “Book of the Levites” and then into the Latin as “Liber Leviticus” as to where the English version derived from. Vayikra was directed more to the priestly descendants of Aaron than of the whole of the descendants of the house of Levy.


My scholastics are not of debate here and is not intended to be your hurdle as to any lack of your understanding.

No one made this a Christian only thread but the OP was specific in its reference to the Christian bible and called out Leviticus 18:22.

No where in the whole of the OP is “Christian bible” ever even mentioned. Yes it does state Leviticus 18:22 which is also printed and spelled exactly the same in the jewish publication society version of the Tanach.

I do not seek to limit any thing, just trying to understand where your coming from as its a bit confusing.

I really do understand your frustration and apologize for any inconvenience. Some are just not meant to understand me. I wish not to offend but it is out of my control as to who have been given the eyes and the ears for such things.

 

[starlite]

I did.

Any who, who made this thread for christian ideas and opinions only? I might be wrong but I don’t even believe the author of the OP professes to be a christian.

Interesting that you should say this....personally I prefer "not" to be labeled as one of Christendom's Christians.

 

[jtartar]

Inviting your opinions on Leviticus 18:22....

starlite,
Lev 18:22, shows, for a certainty what God's view is on homosexuality, but it is not the only scripture that mentions this perversion.
Consider Lev 20:13, which says that a man who lays with a man as he does with a woman has done a detestible thing, both should be put to death, without fail. Of course we are no longer under the Mosaic Law Covenant.
We must remember though, God does not change, Mal 3:6. So what do the Christian Greek Scriptures say about men lying with men??? Rom 1:26,27,32. These scriptures say such acts are disgraceful and obscene.
What about 1Cor 6:9-11?? These scriptures point out that some of the early disciples WERE doing these things, but they had changed and been washed clean, but there would be NO homosexuals in God's Kingdom.
1Tim 1:9,10 states the same things, and also groups homosexuals with the most gross of sins.
2Pet 2:6,9,10, Jude 7 also leads to the same conclusion. All practicing homosexuals will be killed at Armageddon, because there will be no homosexuals in God;s Kingdom.

 

[gwk230]

starlite,
Lev 18:22, shows, for a certainty what God's view is on homosexuality, but it is not the only scripture that mentions this perversion.
Consider Lev 20:13, which says that a man who lays with a man as he does with a woman has done a detestible thing, both should be put to death, without fail. Of course we are no longer under the Mosaic Law Covenant.
We must remember though, God does not change, Mal 3:6. So what do the Christian Greek Scriptures say about men lying with men??? Rom 1:26,27,32. These scriptures say such acts are disgraceful and obscene.
What about 1Cor 6:9-11?? These scriptures point out that some of the early disciples WERE doing these things, but they had changed and been washed clean, but there would be NO homosexuals in God's Kingdom.
1Tim 1:9,10 states the same things, and also groups homosexuals with the most gross of sins.
2Pet 2:6,9,10, Jude 7 also leads to the same conclusion. All practicing homosexuals will be killed at Armageddon, because there will be no homosexuals in God;s Kingdom.

Of course we are no longer under the Mosaic Law Covenant.We must remember though, God does not change, Mal 3:6.

Something about these two statements seem to collide.


What Mosaic Law Covenant? Where is such a thing ever mentioned or written?


There is a perpetual covenant that has been around since the first mention of covenant. It is basically one that states if you obey me then I will do this and that for you. The obey part means there must be laws to obey. You can obey laws and not be in a covenant/contract. The law is still in force on the whole of mankind but not the whole of mankind is in a covenant/contract with Yah. It doesn’t matter that you are in a contract with Yah or not but since he created you then you belong to him and he can impose whatever he deems fit upon you. His instruction is for all his creation and not just those that are in covenant with him.