"Forced Genital Cutting," and Jewish circumcision

[Aquitaine]

It it was commonly employed in the culture, then yes. Better yet, if without these markings the kid would be ostracized or otherwise denied full enjoyment of life in that culture, then that's a compelling reason actually to do it.

If it were done in our culture, no. Why? Because the emotional toll of being so marked in a culture where such markings are considered abnormal would constitute harm.

Out of curiosity, in your opinion, within the USA, do you believe a child not being circumcised for cultural/religious reasons will be ostracized and denied the full enjoyment of life in the culture?

 

[DallasApple]

Right, because you literally have no way of knowing any better.

You literally don't know and will never be able to know any better in relation to what it's like having a foreskin. I on the other hand, if I wanted to *could* find out what it's like to be circumcised.

I think there is a procedure available to try and somewhat restore closer to your original design.

 

[Aquitaine]

I think there is a procedure available to try and somewhat restore closer to your original design.

Really? Does that include the nerve endings?

Don't forget, the end of the Male foreskin is considered by many to be an erogenous zone. :yes:

 

[DallasApple]

Really? Does that include the nerve endings?

Don't forget, the end of the Male foreskin is considered by many to be an erogenous zone. :yes:

I said "somewhat" and i have read reports from men that did experience better sensations after the process.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It it was commonly employed in the culture, then yes. Better yet, if without these markings the kid would be ostracized or otherwise denied full enjoyment of life in that culture, then that's a compelling reason actually to do it.

If it were done in our culture, no. Why? Because the emotional toll of being so marked in a culture where such markings are considered abnormal would constitute harm.

Who's getting ostracized because they're uncircumcised? I don't know how things work in the US, but here, the kid who'd be given a hard time would be the one who advertised the fact he was checking out other boys' willies in the locker room.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Out of curiosity, in your opinion, within the USA, do you believe a child not being circumcised for cultural/religious reasons will be ostracized and denied the full enjoyment of life in the culture?

FWIW, since I started doing martial arts in the States (I live near the border, and the closest club for my discipline is on the other side), I've been naked in American locker rooms plenty of times. So far, the Americans haven't even mentioned the fact I'm uncircumcised, let alone made fun of me for it.

 

[Aquitaine]

I said "somewhat" and i have read reports from men that did experience better sensations after the process.

Ah I see. Fair enough. Still though, I don't think a Male circumcised from infancy can truly "know" the alternative of actually having an intact healthy foreskin, I on the other hand (if I so wished to) could decide for myself what it's like being circumcised - too bad it's essentially a one-way ticket.

 

[Aquitaine]

FWIW, since I started doing martial arts in the States (I live near the border, and the closest club for my discipline is on the other side), I've been naked in American locker rooms plenty of times. So far, the Americans haven't even mentioned the fact I'm uncircumcised, let alone made fun of me for it.

Well, as previous American posters in this thread have stated - the practice is on the decline in the US, hopefully a terminal decline.

 

[DallasApple]

I really can't imagine grown men "making fun" of someone uncircumcised. i can even see that with children /adolescents or it even maybe causing confusion if they have never seen an uncircumcised penis and maybe have "no idea' its normal.But grown up mature men?

As a matter of fact in that link where men were talking about regretting they had been circumcised seeing men that weren't made them feel "less whole' ..and made them wonder what they may be missing out on.So people talk about "no permanent damage" I count those men's feelings (the emotions involved) as damage indeed.How many men feel that way but don't ever talk about it ...just live with it?

Sure some men never have wondered that ..or have seen an uncircumcised penis and are glad they don't "look like that" and and cant imagine their sex life being any better or their penis possibly being any more sensitive and functional.But for me that does not justify the harm done even if its JUST emotionally /psychologically to all those men.Even though I'm convinced for many its more than "just" that.

Its funny "not ha has" but with my last...His pediatrician of course would examine my sons penis in routine physicals...I noticed he seemed to have more skin around his penis than my other two...I thought my OB had screwed it up.My pediatrician said not..this is a good thing..I said 'why" he said ..."he will get more pleasure from sex"..of course my face turned red as a beet..I mean we were talking about a one year old.He has enough skin that I had to "pull it back" to clean him..my other two there is nothing to pull back.

Anyway I had no idea what the doctor meant.But that stuck in the back of my mind.What did he mean by that????

 

[Aquitaine]

Its funny "not ha has" but with my last...His pediatrician of course would examine my sons penis in routine physicals...I noticed he seemed to have more skin around his penis than my other two...I thought my OB had screwed it up.My pediatrician said not..this is a good thing..I said 'why" he said ..."he will get more pleasure from sex"..of course my face turned red as a beet..I mean we were talking about a one year old.He has enough skin that I had to "pull it back" to clean him..my other two there is nothing to pull back.

Anyway I had no idea what the doctor meant.But that stuck in the back of my mind.What did he mean by that????

Sorry, I just need to clarify, as I'm not fully understanding what you're saying in this paragraph. :sorry1:

Are you saying your third son was circumcised, but still has more foreskin than your eldest two sons?

 

[DallasApple]

Sorry, I just need to clarify, as I'm not fully understanding what you're saying in this paragraph. :sorry1:

Are you saying your third son was circumcised, but still has more foreskin than your eldest two sons?

Yes(he was circumcised).He has more "loose" skin is the best way I can describe it.I can't (or couldn't hes 17 now I don't look anymore LOL)..see what I call the "head" unless the skin is manually pulled back.So I had to pull it back to clean it if that makes sense.

So maybe he has 'some foreskin" and my other two have none ????

 

[DallasApple]

Should I ask my son if I can look at it one last time in the name of science???

 

[Aquitaine]

Yes(he was circumcised).He has more "loose" skin is the best way I can describe it.I can't (or couldn't hes 17 now I don't look anymore LOL)..see what I call the "head" unless the skin is manually pulled back.So I had to pull it back to clean it if that makes sense.

So maybe he has 'some foreskin" and my other two have none ????

Right, I see.

So his Pediatrician at the time said it was a good thing because it would give him more stimulus in bed - as opposed to your two other sons who had no foreskin left?

 

[ImprobableBeing]

I said "somewhat" and i have read reports from men that did experience better sensations after the process.

That is because of the protection of the glans. The thinner the skin the bigger the stimulus of the nerve endings.

The difference is about the same as two condoms in thickness.

An uncircumcised male cannot walk around with his glans bare in his underwear, it literally hurts because the fabric is too much stimulus for the nerve endings.

 

[Aquitaine]

Should I ask my son if I can look at it one last time in the name of science???

Somehow, I doubt he will approve. :cover:

 

[Aquitaine]

An uncircumcised male cannot walk around with his glans bare in his underwear, it literally hurts because the fabric is too much stimulus for the nerve endings.

Right. Which is why the idea of being circumcised makes me utterly cringe.



After reading this thread, I'm soooooo happy my parents decided against unnecessary circumcision. :yes:

 

[DallasApple]

Right, I see.

So his Pediatrician at the time said it was a good thing because it would give him more stimulus in bed - as opposed to your two other sons who had no foreskin left?

Well he didn't say 'as opposed to my other two" we didn't discuss their penises one was 14 my other 7 and was not being examined at the time. ..Its just when I mentioned he has a lot more skin than my other two and I was worried the doctor didn't do it right....in fact he is the one the "loose skin" attached to the "scab"(for lack of better terms ) from the cutting and it had to be ripped back(as a tiny infant).At that point I was seeing a different pediatrician too.(when he was newborn) this pediatrician was about a year later.....Oh anyway that's when he told me basically this is "better" for him..I guess they can take 'more or less" skin depending on the doctor performing the surgery.

 

[DallasApple]

That is because of the protection of the glans. The thinner the skin the bigger the stimulus of the nerve endings.

The difference is about the same as two condoms in thickness.

An uncircumcised male cannot walk around with his glans bare in his underwear, it literally hurts because the fabric is too much stimulus for the nerve endings.

Yeah Im getting that now.The foreskin keeps that glans from getting "toughened up"...so to speak.So if you can get that "covered" up again after a while it might have time to "soften up" again...

 

[Aquitaine]

Well he didn't say 'as opposed to my other two" we didn't discuss their penises one was 14 my other 7 and was not being examined at the time. ..Its just when I mentioned he has a lot more skin than my other two and I was worried the doctor didn't do it right....in fact he is the one the "loose skin" attached to the "scab"(for lack of better terms ) from the cutting and it had to be ripped back(as a tiny infant).At that point I was seeing a different pediatrician too.(when he was newborn) this pediatrician was about a year later...

Hmmm, odd.

As for the Pediatrician's comments, I honestly do not know. But honestly, given the amount of nerve endings in the foreskin, it wouldn't surprise me if having an intact healthy foreskin improves stimulus in that region.

Perhaps we shall never know for sure though.

 

[DallasApple]

Somehow, I doubt he will approve. :cover:

I don't either and he might call the police..(or the funny farm)