Former CIA Director John Brennan: "Our Future Is In Jeopardy"

[Falvlun]

Cyber warfare has been an issue for decades but now its only Trumps problem.

Yet another debunked conservative attempt to downplay what happened in the 2016 election:

“Russian efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential election represent the most recent expression of Moscow’s longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, but these activities demonstrated a significant escalation in directness, level of activity, and scope of effort compared to previous operations.”

There was a distinct escalation in election-directed cyber warfare during the 2016 election. This is the findings of the FBI, CIA, and NSA.

 

[idav]

Point out the man is a known liar when he worked for the CIA is not fallacious. It shows the character of the person when he was working for a very important government agency. It show he is a hack. The same type of remarks on character people point out about Trump.

He is repeating the same garbage speculation MSM parrots day in, day out. Nothing new.

So your premise was the guy worked for the CIA therefore he is a liar. Yes that's fallacious.

 

[Shad]

LOL.

Given your argument... What does that suggest of Trump?

I never objected to his remarks about Trump as false. Trump needs to get off of Twitter as he undermines himself more than gaining support. He needs to write his speeches instead of adlibbing as if it was a rally. Trump is no angel by any means. However there have been far worse Presidents and far worse crises.

Can we discredit Trump now and insist he is a bad president for lying?

Never said you couldn't. However repeating the same points for the last year, or more if you count his private life, is not going to get him out of office. It is not going to convince Congress to turn against him. MSM has been reduced to water cooler gossip instead of waiting for Mueller to do his job.

Politics and diplomacy involves lying, bluffing and deception. Scaring the crap out of places like NK with rhetoric may work better than tossing them money decade after decade just for them to give the planet a giant middle finger.

 

[Shad]

Yet another debunked conservative attempt to downplay what happened in the 2016 election:

“Russian efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential election represent the most recent expression of Moscow’s longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, but these activities demonstrated a significant escalation in directness, level of activity, and scope of effort compared to previous operations.”

Holding a bunch of fake rallies that fools morons is not a threat as it merely exposes the voter base of the US for what it is. Trolls on FB are not a threat when Americans themselves have said the same repeatedly. Heck turn on any international media source and you can find the same pro/against rhetoric. You do not need Russia for that. Russia did far worse when it was the USSR.

There was a distinct escalation in election-directed cyber warfare during the 2016 election. This is the findings of the FBI, CIA, and NSA.

Read your own source. It saws little more than I have above.

 

[Shad]

So your premise was the guy worked for the CIA therefore he is a liar. Yes that's fallacious.

No I pointed out he lied when he worked for the CIA. Being in the CIA doesn't make him a liar, his lies do.

 

[Falvlun]

Holding a bunch of fake rallies that fools morons is not a threat as it merely exposes the voter base of the US for what it is. Trolls on FB are not a threat when Americans themselves have said the same repeatedly. Heck turn on any international media source and you can find the same pro/against rhetoric. You do not need Russia for that. Russia did far worse when it was the USSR.

Read your own source. It saws little more than I have above.

You can claim that Russian activity was not a threat, but that is in stark contrast to the opinions of those in our intelligence agencies.

However, the point of my post was to specifically point out your incorrect assertion that the Russian campaign was normal, with the implication that Trump is being singled out. As I have shown, 2016 was not normal and your talking point was incorrect.

 

[tytlyf]

No I pointed out he lied when he worked for the CIA. Being in the CIA doesn't make him a liar, his lies do.

Is it the fact he's a republican? One of those RINO's that need to be drained from the swamp?!
A lot of republicans don't like Trump and think he's a moron. Trump has always been a moron his whole life. Trump lies more than anyone we've seen in modern history, that didn't keep you from supporting him. Much worse than Brennan

Did you ever hear of who Donald Trump was prior to the election?

 

[YmirGF]

Do you have any idea why he might be an anti-Trump voice? What do you suppose could be his objections?

I find that Trump's supporters not only don't understand our objections often- they do not wish to. Anything criticizing Trump is white noise, even when we base it on things the man has clearly said.

You left out the "don't care" what the objections are.

I might listen to someone whom I have more faith in than Brennan and often do, but Brennan is just a broken record that has been hitting the talking head gravy train for some time. If George Tenet was sitting next to him, head bobbing up and down, I might take Brennan seriously. So far, I've not seen that.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

You left out the "don't care" what the objections are

Oh indeed

 

[metis]

Quite honestly, @metis I don't know how anyone could consider his comments even-slightly non-partisan. He has been an extreme anti-Trump voice since before Trump became POTUS. Personally, I haven't seriously listened to what this hack says for quite a long time. Brennan was one of the most lack-luster CIA chiefs in memory.

But if he was so lackluster, then why did he get reappointed five times by both Democratic and Republican presidents? And if he was so partisan, why the Republican appointments?

There was good reason why he and many others, including moi, were very concerned about Trump winning even long before the election, and much of that concern was voiced by other Republicans. I was going to vote for Stein as a protest vote but was so worried about Trump getting in that I voted for Hillary.

There were ample indications that Trump was unhinged long before the election, and much of that concern was very obvious. Unfortunately, all too many ignored the warning signs.

 

[metis]

I never objected to his remarks about Trump as false. Trump needs to get off of Twitter as he undermines himself more than gaining support. He needs to write his speeches instead of adlibbing as if it was a rally. Trump is no angel by any means. However there have been far worse Presidents and far worse crises.



Never said you couldn't. However repeating the same points for the last year, or more if you count his private life, is not going to get him out of office. It is not going to convince Congress to turn against him. MSM has been reduced to water cooler gossip instead of waiting for Mueller to do his job.

Politics and diplomacy involves lying, bluffing and deception. Scaring the crap out of places like NK with rhetoric may work better than tossing them money decade after decade just for them to give the planet a giant middle finger.

You have repeatedly been asked to cite instances of Brennan lying and yet you haven't delivered. So, why doncha?

 

[metis]

No I pointed out he lied when he worked for the CIA.

Where?! Post some facts and not just your opinion.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Do you have any idea why he might be an anti-Trump voice? What do you suppose could be his objections?

I find that Trump's supporters not only don't understand our objections often- they do not wish to. Anything criticizing Trump is white noise, even when we base it on things the man has clearly said.

Hey! Sounds like it might be a new religion! Lol.

 

[Stanyon]

So your premise was the guy worked for the CIA therefore he is a liar. Yes that's fallacious.

No civilians killed in drone strikes, supported torture and colluded to obstruct investigations of torture, lied about CIA domestic spying, hacking, and spying on members of congress-that's a start.
(he actually later admitted he lied about the CIA spying on members of congress)

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Speculating the guilt of Trump. Speculating over a supposed "dirt" Putin has over Trump preventing Trump from doing X. Speculating about the future of the USA over one President that should only have 1 term unless Dems screw up again. Claiming Trump has done nothing about voting issues while Trump proposed a long held policy propsal regarding such as voter ID. Voter ID which was shot down by Dems because people do not know where the DMV is..... apparently. Cyber warfare has been an issue for decades but now its only Trumps problem. Again he isn't saying anything new.

Uh, that looks like expressed opinions, not factual errors. Care to try again?

 

[Stanyon]

Yet another debunked conservative attempt to downplay what happened in the 2016 election:

“Russian efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential election represent the most recent expression of Moscow’s longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, but these activities demonstrated a significant escalation in directness, level of activity, and scope of effort compared to previous operations.”

There was a distinct escalation in election-directed cyber warfare during the 2016 election. This is the findings of the FBI, CIA, and NSA.

The unproven claims of Russian meddling seems to have revolved around supposed trolls and facebook ads which supported and demeaned both sides. Considering the recent proven revelations about the U.K. based Cambridge Analytica data mining and targetting of approximately 50 million facebook users, which do you think had more power to logically affect/effect the election results if it were possible?

 

[Twilight Hue]

This is a bone-chilling assessment from John Brennan about Trump that is truly scary as he feels that "Our future is in jeopardy" in regards to Trump's actions. Brennan has served six presidents, so one simply would have a hard time excusing his comment on some sort of partisanship.

Here's the interview that was conducted this morning, and one can here what I quoted above at around the 2:30 mark. The entire seven minute interview is very worth listening to:

Comments?

Talking head opinions? They are a dime a dozen.



I'm pretty sure the country will still be here by next election.

 

[idav]

The unproven claims of Russian meddling seems to have revolved around supposed trolls and facebook ads which supported and demeaned both sides. Considering the recent proven revelations about the U.K. based Cambridge Analytica data mining and targetting of approximately 50 million facebook users, which do you think had more power to logically affect/effect the election results if it were possible?

I wish it were that simple, we are in an increased cyber war.
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[idav]

No civilians killed in drone strikes, supported torture and colluded to obstruct investigations of torture, lied about CIA domestic spying, hacking, and spying on members of congress-that's a start.
(he actually later admitted he lied about the CIA spying on members of congress)

So what was the misinformation in the video?

 

[idav]

Speculating the guilt of Trump. Speculating over a supposed "dirt" Putin has over Trump preventing Trump from doing X. Speculating about the future of the USA over one President that should only have 1 term unless Dems screw up again. Claiming Trump has done nothing about voting issues while Trump proposed a long held policy propsal regarding such as voter ID. Voter ID which was shot down by Dems because people do not know where the DMV is..... apparently. Cyber warfare has been an issue for decades but now its only Trumps problem. Again he isn't saying anything new.

However what was the misinformation? You dont agree cyberwarfare has increased?