Free Iran from the Islamic Republic!

[Godobeyer]

In your opinion, what percentage of the blame for the war in Gaza should be placed on Israel?

1000/100 for Israel.
Because they besieged Gaza for 14 years,don't accept release Palestinians hostages. And re-occupate West Bank.
And provoke, still control most top 3 Muslims mosque.

 

[Godobeyer]

In your opinion, what percentage of the blame for the war in Gaza should be placed on Israel?

Do you check link that I post Telegram, so how much evil is Israel?
Could be recognize who is the real monster.
Does your God or beliefs or moral accept to defend for innocents killers?
It's just arrived 43 thousands Palestinians.

 

[danieldemol]

I think that in general the first step to solving problems is to know that there IS a problem. I'm not being flip here. The official name of the country is "The Islamic Republic of Iran". It used to be "Iran". The Islamic Republic oppresses its people and has an extremely poor human rights record.

A key point here is to separate Iranian people from the totalitarian, authoritarian regime.

We see a lot activism and protests aimed at helping oppressed people, but we see very few protests in support of Iranians as oppressed people. It strikes me that most of us view the Islamic Republic as bad guys (and I'd say the regime ARE bad guys), and we don't keep the regime separate from the people.

Well I agree that theocracy is bad, but if I were joining a protest I'd typically be wanting to know what the protesters expect the government to do about it.

Since we more or less agree that there is a problem what is step2 ie what would we be demanding our governments do that they have not already done as protesters?

 

[icehorse]

Well I agree that theocracy is bad, but if I were joining a protest I'd typically be wanting to know what the protesters expect the government to do about it.

Since we more or less agree that there is a problem what is step2 ie what would we be demanding our governments do that they have not already done as protesters?

I'm not an expert in that area, what comes to mind are economic penalties.

 

[danieldemol]

I'm not an expert in that area, what comes to mind are economic penalties.

Okay, but according to my understanding the IRGC are already sanctioned, so it would be asking the government to do that which they have already done in my view;

'Section 105 of CAATSA requires the imposition of sanctions applicable pursuant to the global terrorism Executive Order 13224 on Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and foreign persons that are officials, agents, or affiliates of the IRGC.'

Source: https://ofac.treasury.gov/faqs/533#:~:text=Section 105 of CAATSA requires,or affiliates of the IRGC.

 

[icehorse]

Okay, but according to my understanding the IRGC are already sanctioned, so it would be asking the government to do that which they have already done in my view;

'Section 105 of CAATSA requires the imposition of sanctions applicable pursuant to the global terrorism Executive Order 13224 on Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and foreign persons that are officials, agents, or affiliates of the IRGC.'

Source: https://ofac.treasury.gov/faqs/533#:~:text=Section 105 of CAATSA requires,or affiliates of the IRGC.

It sounds like it's not working

So I guess there's no need to raise awareness of these human rights abuses?

 

[Truthseeker]

It seems most Iranians do not want to be ruled / oppressed by the Islamic Republic that runs Iran. (Seems reasonable!)

It seems reasonable to me, too. I don't just have this opinion because my religion originated there, and have been oppressed since then. I have studied Iran myself independently. I am aware of a certain women that didn't properly have the right hijab who died in custody, and the futile protests that broke out and changed nothing at all there. I am not about to suggest a regime change, however. Baha'is have been cautioned not to do that, and get Baha'is there oppressed more. I believe if others also express that opinion, it will make absolutely no difference there, so why do it? The situation there can only in this world be solved by Iranians, unless a foreign government does that, and I don't see how would be done without a lot of bloodshed, and other complications, which I don't want to see.

 

[danieldemol]

It sounds like it's not working

So suggest an alternative course of action that would actually work in real life in my view.

So I guess there's no need to raise awareness of these human rights abuses?

You are welcome to raise awareness of human rights abuses in Iran, Saudi Arabia, U.S or even Australia if that is your area of interest in my view.

 

[danieldemol]

and the futile protests that broke out and changed nothing at all there

I'm broadly in agreement with your post except for this, those protests raised awareness, and considering how deeply Iranian societal power structures need to change it is likely that such change will only occur slowly in my view.

So just because everything didn't change overnight it is a false dichotomy to say "nothing" changed. Awareness has to be raised incrementally and as such I applaud the Iranian people for engaging in what I fear must necessarily be a long struggle if it is to achieve any real lasting change in my view and applaud this incremental success of protesting.

 

[Truthseeker]

'm broadly in agreement with your post except for this, those protests raised awareness, and considering how deeply Iranian societal power structures need to change it is likely that such change will only occur slowly in my view.

So just because everything didn't change overnight it is a false dichotomy to say "nothing" changed. Awareness has to be raised incrementally and as such I applaud the Iranian people for engaging in what I fear must necessarily be a long struggle if it is to achieve any real lasting change in my view and applaud this incremental success of protesting.

I think that's a valid point.

 

[AsianActivist]

I am myself Iranian. My family had to flee after the Iranian Revolution. I would like to see nothing more than the downfall of the wicked, terrorist, genocidal iSSlamic regime in Iran.

Mag Bar Iran.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I am myself Iranian. My family had to flee after the Iranian Revolution. I would like to see nothing more than the downfall of the wicked, terrorist, genocidal iSSlamic regime in Iran.

Mag Bar Iran.

You were Chinese (half Chinese and half "white passing", you said), then Dutch yesterday and now you're Iranian? Wonder what you'll be tomorrow! Maybe we should take bets! I bet you're really in a computer room in "Israel" being paid to post hasbara! Just a hunch! (Could even be some other country or interest but there's definitely a bizarre "pro propagandist" vibe coming from you, and you are abnormally vitriolic when it comes to the Palestinian people, Arabs and Muslims.)

 

[AsianActivist]

You were Chinese (half Chinese and half "white passing", you said), then Dutch yesterday and now you're Iranian? Wonder what you'll be tomorrow! Maybe we should take bets! I bet you're really in a computer room in "Israel" being paid to post hasbara! Just a hunch! (Could even be some other country or interest but there's definitely a bizarre "pro propagandist" vibe coming from you, and you are abnormally vitriolic when it comes to the Palestinian people, Arabs and Muslims.)

LOL. To Asian people Iranian people have light skin and are generally white looking because they can't tell the difference.

I never said I was Dutch. Nice try though.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

LOL. To Asian people Iranian people have light skin and are generally white looking because they can't tell the difference.

I never said I was Dutch. Nice try though.

You said you lived in Amsterdam yesterday. A few weeks ago you lived in Shanghai.

 

[RestlessSoul]

The "Islamic Republic" is a theocratic regime. It is NOT a government that Iranians want. Does that clear anything up?

No, what it doesn’t clear up is the question you were asked. How do you think ‘the West’ can help the Iranian people?

Before you answer, perhaps consider what a bang-up job ‘the West’ has done for the Afghan, Iraqi, Libyan, Syrian etc people so far this century.

 

[icehorse]

No, what it doesn’t clear up is the question you were asked. How do you think ‘the West’ can help the Iranian people?

Before you answer, perhaps consider what a bang-up job ‘the West’ has done for the Afghan, Iraqi, Libyan, Syrian etc people so far this century.

Most of what you've asked I've already answered.

What I will repeat however is that "the West" has to stop tip-toeing around Islamism.

 

[muhammad_isa]

What I will repeat however is that "the West" has to stop tip-toeing around Islamism.

I think you mean "around Muslims" .. words like terrorist and Islamist are loaded words,
which end up meaning adversary, in the long run .. word games.

 

[icehorse]

I think you mean "around Muslims" .. words like terrorist and Islamist are loaded words,
which end up meaning adversary, in the long run .. word games.

I think my distinctions are extremely important and accurate. IMO most Muslims are not Islamists. Do you disagree?

 

[muhammad_isa]

IMO most Muslims are not Islamists. Do you disagree?

I don't even know what that really means.
If you mean that not all Muslims are religious, then yes. The same
would apply to Christians who don't attend a church.

 

[icehorse]

I don't even know what that really means.
If you mean that not all Muslims are religious, then yes. The same
would apply to Christians who don't attend a church.

Hmmm. I think the word "Islamist" is commonly understood to mean any Muslim who thinks the place they live should use Sharia. Using that definition, I think many Muslims are happy to live in secular countries, and those are NOT Islamists.