Free Raif Badawi: Saudi Kingdom Attacks Western Critics

[gsa]

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia's foreign ministry has finally replied to Western critics of the brutal and inhumane treatment of prisoner of conscience Raif Badawi:

“The Kingdom cannot believe and strongly disapproves what has been addressed in some media outlets about the case of Citizen [Badawi] and the judicial sentence he has received,” the statement read.

“The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has been one of the first States to promote and support human rights. Though these commitments are more than obvious, some international quarters and some media, regrettably, have emptied human rights of their sublime meanings,” it added.

“Instead, such quarters and media deviated towards politicising and abusing those rights to serve aggressions against the right of States to sovereignty. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia will most certainly disallow such matter.”

Conservative judges want to try Badawi for the crime of apostasy, a crime that would subject him to execution. His family, having fled to Canada to escape persecution, continues to thank Badawi's Western supporters and calls for the KSA to release him.

So what do you think? Is the KSA's religiously inspired prosecution of Raif Badawi a demonstration of the KSA's promotion and support of the "sublime meanings" of human rights?

 

[Poeticus]

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia's foreign ministry has finally replied to Western critics of the brutal and inhumane treatment of prisoner of conscience Raif Badawi:

“The Kingdom cannot believe and strongly disapproves what has been addressed in some media outlets about the case of Citizen [Badawi] and the judicial sentence he has received,” the statement read.

“The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has been one of the first States to promote and support human rights. Though these commitments are more than obvious, some international quarters and some media, regrettably, have emptied human rights of their sublime meanings,” it added.

“Instead, such quarters and media deviated towards politicising and abusing those rights to serve aggressions against the right of States to sovereignty. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia will most certainly disallow such matter.”

Conservative judges want to try Badawi for the crime of apostasy, a crime that would subject him to execution. His family, having fled to Canada to escape persecution, continues to thank Badawi's Western supporters and calls for the KSA to release him.

So what do you think? Is the KSA's religiously inspired prosecution of Raif Badawi a demonstration of the KSA's promotion and support of the "sublime meanings" of human rights?

I think the KSA's religiously inspired prosecution of Raif Badawi is simply "an ordinary human response to political and economic instability".

 

[Nietzsche]

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia's foreign ministry has finally replied to Western critics of the brutal and inhumane treatment of prisoner of conscience Raif Badawi:

“The Kingdom cannot believe and strongly disapproves what has been addressed in some media outlets about the case of Citizen [Badawi] and the judicial sentence he has received,” the statement read.

“The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has been one of the first States to promote and support human rights. Though these commitments are more than obvious, some international quarters and some media, regrettably, have emptied human rights of their sublime meanings,” it added.

“Instead, such quarters and media deviated towards politicising and abusing those rights to serve aggressions against the right of States to sovereignty. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia will most certainly disallow such matter.”

Conservative judges want to try Badawi for the crime of apostasy, a crime that would subject him to execution. His family, having fled to Canada to escape persecution, continues to thank Badawi's Western supporters and calls for the KSA to release him.

So what do you think? Is the KSA's religiously inspired prosecution of Raif Badawi a demonstration of the KSA's promotion and support of the "sublime meanings" of human rights?

If only Saudi Arabia had their own Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.

 

[Bunyip]

If only Saudi Arabia had their own Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.

Indeed. The man was a true statesman.

 

[columbus]

So where is the Islamic Human Rights Commission? Are they in back satirising the Saudi Arabian judiciary for next years award season?

Don't they realize that my favorite Muslim, who's initials in reverse are GS, is the only serious islamophobe that I know?

He is a truly excellent person. But he is too islamaphobic to express his opinions. He is justifiably afraid of Saudi Muslims, because they are dangerous and violent.

Tom

 

[Bunyip]

The tragedy is that it is Saudi's relationship with the US, who imagines itself to be the great global promoter of liberty and human rights that enables it to behave like such an anachronistic pariah.

 

[columbus]

The tragedy is that it is Saudi's relationship with the US, who imagines itself to be the great global promoter of liberty and human rights that enables it to behave like such an anachronistic pariah.

I wish you were wrong.
But you aren't.

Tom

 

[Bunyip]

I wish you were wrong.
But you aren't.

Tom

Thanks. I wish it was wrong also.

 

[columbus]

Thanks. I wish it was wrong also.

How did Obama manage to force the Bush administration to protect the Saudis from their support of 9/11?
What a tyrant!

Tom

 

[Tiapan]

The Wahabbis live in the false world of black and white, facing the constant contradiction of a grey reality.
Remember most of the Middle East were just camel jockies 100 years ago, it takes time to evolve.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

The Kingdom violates human rights the way they treat refugee and also women(not driving cars, not working etc).

 

[gsa]

The Kingdom violates human rights the way they treat refugee and also women(not driving cars, not working etc).

I think killing or imprisoning people for their beliefs is at least as bad and probably worse.

 

[columbus]

@faroukfarouk
@NoX

Gsaseeker bumped this thread in reply to ff's request.

I see the French freedom of expression as weak. Here in the USA it is far more robust.
But I suspect that if a Muslim in France were being given the treatment that Badawi is being given there would be riots across the Islamic world. Badawis treatment either gets shrugged off or justified by Muslims quite consistently.

Tom

 

[NoX]

@faroukfarouk
@NoX
Gsaseeker bumped this thread in reply to ff's request.
I see the French freedom of expression as weak. Here in the USA it is far more robust.
But I suspect that if a Muslim in France were being given the treatment that Badawi is being given there would be riots across the Islamic world. Badawis treatment either gets shrugged off or justified by Muslims quite consistently.
Tom

You use a wrong example. This is relevant with reason of punishment. I dont think any Wahhabi would react it if France would give flogging punishment to a person for insulting the Islam. Just the opposite, they would be so happy for that

Do you know what is Wahhabi ? Its the ideology of ISIS, its the way ISIS follows and Saudi is the best ally of Western and US. Now face with that and please do not play the innocent democratic kitty here. This is really so boring, we dont take you seriously in Turkiye and making fun of Western countries here do not made yourself a laughing stock

 

[gsa]

You use a wrong example. This is relevant with reason of punishment. I dont think any Wahhabi would react it if France would give flogging punishment to a person for insulting the Islam. Just the opposite, they would be so happy for that

Do you know what is Wahhabi ? Its the ideology of ISIS, its the way ISIS follows and Saudi is the best ally of Western and US. Now face with that and please do not play the innocent democratic kitty here. This is really so boring, we dont take you seriously in Turkiye and making fun of Western countries here do not made yourself a laughing stock

The relevant comparison would be France whipping someone for wearing the hijab or converting to Islam. We know who the Wahhabists are; there are plenty of people here in the US who would dissolve that partnership. Many would also dump Erdogan.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Hello Tom as promised here we go.
Firstly Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic State.It has no Caliph rule.
Secondly do you know what is meant by Saudi?
Thirdly do you know who was behind the founding of Saudi Arabia?
Forth what crime did RB commit?

 

[columbus]

Hello Tom as promised here we go.
Firstly Saudi Arabia is not an Islamic State.It has no Caliph rule.

Greetings my friend.
I am breaking up my response due to limitations of my phone.

Your meaning of the term Islamic State is not the same as mine. The closest thing to a caliphate is ISIS, and we both agree that ISIS is not a state. So your meaning has nothing to do with reality.
Mine does. By Islamic state I mean the dominance of Islam in the people and government of the state. Saudi Arabia is more Islamic than Turkey. Turkey is more Islamic than France. France is more Islamic than USA. USA is more Islamic than North Korea.

It is a relative measure. There are other states even more Islamic than SA. But they are all tiny and relatively inconsequential. Iran and Pakistan and Indonesia are huge and important, for example, but not quite as Islamic as SA.
I am not asking you to agree about the ideal Islamic state. But do you understand what I mean by the term?
If I used the term "Muslim state", would that work better for you?

Tom

 

[faroukfarouk]

Greetings my friend.
I am breaking up my response due to limitations of my phone.
Your meaning of the term Islamic State is not the same as mine. The closest thing to a caliphate is ISIS, and we both agree that ISIS is not a state. So your meaning has nothing to do with reality.
Mine does. By Islamic state I mean the dominance of Islam in the people and government of the state. Saudi Arabia is more Islamic than Turkey. Turkey is more Islamic than France. France is more Islamic than USA. USA is more Islamic than North Korea.
It is a relative measure. There are other states even more Islamic than SA. But they are all tiny and relatively inconsequential. Iran and Pakistan and Indonesia are huge and important, for example, but not quite as Islamic as SA.
I am not asking you to agree about the ideal Islamic state. But do you understand what I mean by the term?
If I used the term "Muslim state", would that work better for you?
Tom

Sorry mate you lack knowledge so far as what an "Islamic state" is.
ISIS falls far short of an Islamic State simply because its Caliph is an unknown character.The Caliph also does not have the approval of the majority Muslims.
The bottom line is not a single Muslim country, in present day, have any hall marks of being labelled an "Islamic State".
As for Saudi it was founded by the British.Its all over the history books
.Do you think that Islam supports a monarchy state?

 

[faroukfarouk]

Tom let me tell you something about this monarchy state.
Thousands of people that gave the slightest threat to this monarchy rule ended up doing the houdini act.
As for the West they just waved at them and said we did not hear nor see anything.
They are all in cahoots or else the price of oil will not fall.

 

[columbus]

@faroukfarouk
let me finish responding to your first post before I respond to the subsequent posts.
Except to say this:
I consider the relationship between the USA and SA to be a shamefully immoral elevation of greed over principle.
Tom