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Free will?
- Thread starter Skeptisch
- Start date
Yes but a calculated prediction might look good on paper but it hasn't been determined until 'now' occurs. Just the ability to use an event that hasn't happened as a cause is a paradox which leaves us choice.
Skwim
Veteran Member
:cover: In any case, you choose whatever because . . . . . . . . . .
Cause a probabilistic version of me screwed up the time so that it looped creating multiple parallel versions of me then chose whatever (sorry I've been watching outer limits
).
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
Second law of thermo guarantees that one cannot predict the future perfectly.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Second law of thermo guarantees that one cannot predict the future perfectly.
Okay....
So freewill is probable?....predictable?....
Can you guess my next post?...am I predictable?
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
You in isolation are predictable, but the universe as a whole isn't. (Because you will never know enough.)
Thief
Rogue Theologian
In isolation?...I would be predictable.
I think that situation would take away my sanity and my 'predictability'.
You would never know next what I might do.
The universe is more predictable.
Substance has rules....and no freewill.
I love how spirit and god are somehow exempt from rules for no logical reason just preference.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
So do I.
You love your fallacy, I know.
skywrath32
Member
lol. Illusion? What does that mean? Can you make a formula to predict the next action of a person? and anyway, What makes organism and non organism different? Free will to do anything, Organism can move by itself with no force acting on it which still falls to free will.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Actually, we can detect the "will" to act a few seconds before the person is consciously aware of their "will".
You can't choose otherwise.
What counts as the ability to "move by itself"? Are you positing an external, random energy source? If not, then you have those pesky laws of physics and causality to consult.
Not really, or at least that's merely one interpretation (and a controversial one) of some experimental results (usually Libet's work), but it is not generally accepted within the cognitive and neuropsychological sciences.
There are no "laws" of causality.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
That was supposed to be "laws of physics" and "causality"...probably could have worded that better. Woops.
methylatedghosts
Can't brain. Has dumb.
Gjallerhorn, question.
What if there's a will that exists just before the detection of it, which is then conscious-ified?
What if there's a will that exists just before the detection of it, which is then conscious-ified?
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Then you wouldn't call it free will, would you? If the will precedes the conscious knowledge of that will, you wouldn't claim to have willed it, would you? It would be like throwing a coin, looking at the result, and then claiming that's what you guessed.
Do we know whether the sub-conscious or main consciousness makes the decisions? Of course our action or reaction comes after the deliberation. The process being linear doesn't explain where volition comes from.
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Seems to come from the subconscious. Reaction typically precedes conscious awareness and emotion.
skywrath32
Member
Its still your will. And do you need an outside force to make yourself move? lol no.