free will?

[idea]

You don't have to be good or do good, ...The whole point of being a Christian is to be "Like Christ (Jesus)"

you have to be good to be like Christ...

 

[whereismynotecard]

you have to be good to be like Christ...

What if you are mentally disabled and are not capable of being good, even though you want to be like Christ?

 

[idea]

What if you are mentally disabled and are not capable of being good, even though you want to be like Christ?

this life is not the only one. only accountable for what we know/can act upon.

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and cprepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
(New Testament | Luke12:47 - 48)

"much is expected" only of of them to whom "much is given"... if you are not given much, then you are not expected to do much...

 

[whereismynotecard]

this life is not the only one. only accountable for what we know/can act upon.

47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and cprepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
(New Testament | Luke12:47 - 48)

"much is expected" only of of them to whom "much is given"... if you are not given much, then you are not expected to do much...

Did I read the underlined part wrong? Does that mean mentally disabled people who try to be "good" but can't will be beaten a few times? That sounds horrible.

here's another question though:

what about me? I see no reason at all to believe in god, and don't try to be a self-sacrificing Jesus-type person, but I'm not mean to people. Do I fall under the category of those who will be beaten a little but get a second chance? Or since I knew some people believed in Christianity and didn't follow it even though it didn't make sense to me I will go to hell? If Christianity (is that what you are?) sounds like a fairy tale to you, does that mean that you "know not?"

 

[RemnanteK]

you have to be good to be like Christ...

Yes and no, Jesus says come as you are and he will change you.
When you come to him your are not good, but through him you become more like him.
Jesus never says, Only come to me when you don't sin, and are good.

If you strive to be like Jesus and walk with him each day you will become like him.
But just like the apostles that walked with Jesus we will still be sinners.
Our salvation comes when Jesus stands in our place in Heaven and tells God that he knows us and Died for us.
Then we will be "GOOD" in Gods eyes.

Mark 4:13-20
Matthew 13:36-43

 

[RemnanteK]

Did I read the underlined part wrong? Does that mean mentally disabled people who try to be "good" but can't will be beaten a few times? That sounds horrible.

here's another question though:

what about me? I see no reason at all to believe in god, and don't try to be a self-sacrificing Jesus-type person, but I'm not mean to people. Do I fall under the category of those who will be beaten a little but get a second chance? Or since I knew some people believed in Christianity and didn't follow it even though it didn't make sense to me I will go to hell? If Christianity (is that what you are?) sounds like a fairy tale to you, does that mean that you "know not?"

God is a loving a merciful Judge, if someone with diminished mental capacity they will be judged based on what the know.
If they don't know right from wrong they will be Judges accordingly.
But if they know right from wrong and do wrong the same will be passed on them.

And as for you, it is really not any persons right to pass Judgment on you concerning eternal life.
That right is Gods, and Gods alone.
You have many years ahead of you to fully make up your mind, maybe you just haven't found the proof you are looking for yet.
The fact that you don't actively try and hurt people speaks volumes for your character and you should be proud of that.

Me personally, I know my life and my relationship with Jesus is no fairy tail.
I live and breath my friendship with Jesus, and I know it is true.
But what I have I can't give to another of I would, you have to seek and find it in time.

If you have any other questions or comments let me know, I'll be happy to share what I know.

 

[whereismynotecard]

Do you know what God is supposed to do with someone who doesn't believe there is such thing as right and wrong?

 

[RemnanteK]

Do you know what God is supposed to do with someone who doesn't believe there is such thing as right and wrong?

He waits.

But if the person has a capacity for knowledge and chooses to no believe in right and wrong just to suet their needs then I believe deep down that person has make up their mind to serve themselves.

But like a said before, God knows our heart, even if we don't want him to.
Just because a person ignores a feeling does not mean it didn't happen.

 

[whereismynotecard]

He waits.

But if the person has a capacity for knowledge and chooses to no believe in right and wrong just to suet their needs then I believe deep down that person has make up their mind to serve themselves.

But like a said before, God knows our heart, even if we don't want him to.
Just because a person ignores a feeling does not mean it didn't happen.

Well, I guess it doesn't matter. right and wrong are different depending on where you live and what religion you believe. I don't think there is a definate right and wrong. But I already know I'm selfish. I don't think that's why I am, but okay.

 

[RemnanteK]

Well then we are alike, I too can be selfish.

Thanks for chatting, and by all means if you have any other questions let me know.

I'll do my best to tell you what I believe and you can tell me what you believe.

 

[idea]

If Christianity (is that what you are?) sounds like a fairy tale to you, does that mean that you "know not?"

yes, and yes. The only way to "know" is not through chats with people, it is through the Holy Spirit. An actual being - as real as you or I, comes down from heaven, and manisfests themself to you.

3 ...no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 12:3)

When you feel the power of the HG, know that you are not alone, know that it is real... that is when you start to become accountable.

I think we all go for a time without "knowing". Agency thing. They will not be in our life unless we invite Them in - respect of our agency and all that. Plus going for a time without helps us appreciate life with.

You know why the "free masons" are called free? They are really big into fre agency. They will never ask anyone to join their group - if they ask you to join, then you don't join of your own "free" will, you join out of obligation, join because you were told to join. They don't want you there unless you come of your own personal free will. All you have to do to join is walk up to a member, and say "I would like to join the masons" and they let you in. I think Heavenly Father and Jesus are like that too - they are not going to be pushy, not going to present Themself to you unless you take the first step, walk up to Them. That way you "join" for all the right reasons (not out of obligation duty, etc... but because you want to. They do not want anyone who does not want to be there.

There are different levels to heaven, all glorious. Some people choose to live with God, others don't.

 

[jt233]

So I'm gonna relate this to the abortion issue but stay with me. if a christian says why should we blame the innocent unborn (in the case of rape) child by having an abortion. then why should we blame innocent humans to have to suffer with sin because of something that adam and eve did. I wasnt around then I had no part in what they did you would have bet if i were adam and god told me not to touch the fruit iw ould not have touched it but why should I have to pay the price. by dealing with sin and disease. You can't have it bolth ways.

 

[RemnanteK]

It's more like taking the choice away from the child, Nobody is innocent, we are all guilty of sinning.

Lucky for us we have someone that died for our sins, all we have to do is get to know him.

 

[san miguel]

this is how i view this universe. That God is everything and anything. He is the air we breathe, the sky, the earth, water, the stars, atoms, molecules, humans, animals, fishes, dark matter, anti matter, etc... Anyways to answer your question free will exists and makes a lot of sense to me at least. God knows all. So lets say a person is at a fork and there is a right and left road. Free will is which road an individual will take. But God knows what is down either road, but humans decide which road to take whether good or bad. Let's say the right road is to get ice cream with the family and stay in that night. However, the left road is to go to a party, which unfortunately ends up with the girl getting raped. Either way it is up to humans to determine what happens by the judgements we make whether right or wrong. i hope that helps

 

[jt233]

But doesnt it also state in the bible that our lives are planned by god how can we have free will if god already knows which path we are gonna take and probably planned it that way because that was aprt of gods plan. you can't have bolth.

 

[RemnanteK]

But doesnt it also state in the bible that our lives are planned by god how can we have free will if god already knows which path we are gonna take and probably planned it that way because that was aprt of gods plan. you can't have bolth.

Think outside the box.

God knows everything.
Every choice we can make he knows.
But we still have to make the choices.

It's kinda like a multiple choice test.
We have right and wrong choices and consequences there of.
If we happen to make the wrong choice God will find a way to make it right with choices later on.
But it's still "OUR CHOICE".
Just because you see a penny one the ground doesn't mean you have to pick it up.
Like the Speed limit, it says 55 MPH, be do we have to go 55 MPH?
No, but if we get caught, we pay the price.

That is Free Will.

 

[Beaudreaux]

It's more like taking the choice away from the child, Nobody is innocent, we are all guilty of sinning.

Lucky for us we have someone that died for our sins, all we have to do is get to know him.

Unborn children are not innocent?

 

[Beaudreaux]

Think outside the box.

God knows everything.
Every choice we can make he knows.
But we still have to make the choices.

It's kinda like a multiple choice test.
We have right and wrong choices and consequences there of.
If we happen to make the wrong choice God will find a way to make it right with choices later on.
But it's still "OUR CHOICE".
Just because you see a penny one the ground doesn't mean you have to pick it up.
Like the Speed limit, it says 55 MPH, be do we have to go 55 MPH?
No, but if we get caught, we pay the price.

That is Free Will.

If God knows ahead of time what action you will take, then your action is not a choice. It may feel like a choice to you, but you can only do what God forknows. Can you fool God by doing something different? No. If you could then God would be wrong and that is impossible if he truly knows all.

 

[RemnanteK]

Unborn children are not innocent?

In our eyes yes of course, but the are still subject to sin from the people around them.

 

[RemnanteK]

If God knows ahead of time what action you will take, then your action is not a choice. It may feel like a choice to you, but you can only do what God forknows. Can you fool God by doing something different? No. If you could then God would be wrong and that is impossible if he truly knows all.

Still in the box I see.

God knows the out come of every choice you will make. An infinite amount of choices for any given situation.
Just because someone or something knows what you will do doesn't talk away free will.
Cops know people are going to speed, and we know they know this, but we still speed.
We still do things people know we are going to do, it's free will.
The fact that you can even think about changing your mind is free will.
If you try and kill yourself but someone stops you, you still made the choice to try, you just didn't succeed.

I could go on for day about free will, you either get it or don't, and that is FREE WILL!