Freemasonry and Satanism

[1137]

My father is a Mason and except for the padlocked freezer in his basement I've seen nothing in his behavior that hints at devilry.

Open that freezer and you'll find the head of Christ, I'm sure.

 

[Estro Felino]

Except that Freemasonry is not a political organization. Everyone in the lodge is entitled to their own political beliefs. It would be kind of hard to "pursue" political goals when the Masons cannot even agree among themselves what political position is best. This is why lodges are forbidden to talk about religion and politics within the lodge itself. (Unless you're talking about the irregular Grand Orient lodges, which are a completely different story.)

yes...I am talking about the Grand Orient Lodges.
given that I speak of my country, duh?

and by the way, Freemasonry in Italy is forbidden because it is secret.

 

[Amechania]

yes...I am talking about the Grand Orient Lodges.
given that I speak of my country, duh?

and by the way, Freemasonry in Italy is forbidden because it is secret.

Forbidden by whom? The Church has a ban on Catholic participation in Freemasonry presumably because it is believed to be Deist. Since Italy is predominantly Catholic maybe that's where you got this forbidden idea.

 

[Estro Felino]

Forbidden by whom? The Church has a ban on Catholic participation in Freemasonry presumably because it is believed to be Deist. Since Italy is predominantly Catholic maybe that's where you got this forbidden idea.

If a Lodge doesn't reveal the names of its associates and if it doesn't things above board...well...it means it is not legal.
It doesn't mean that the police will intervene. It means that the Lodge is not protected by the law.

The Spadolini Law (1982) underlines again that secret associations are forbidden.
Besides...Freemasons like Licio Gelli and lodges like P2 don't have a good reputation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licio_Gelli

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

If a Lodge doesn't reveal the names of its associates and if it doesn't things above board...well...it means it is not legal.
It doesn't mean that the police will intervene. It means that the Lodge is not protected by the law.

The Spadolini Law (1982) underlines again that secret associations are forbidden.
Besides...Freemasons like Licio Gelli and lodges like P2 don't have a good reputation
Licio Gelli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well... I suppose that I cannot speak for them as they are considered "irregular" by "regular masons," which are the majority here in the United States. Membership is not secret in any way here where I'm from. They wear rings, hang plaques on the walls of their businesses, and are more than willing to admit they are Freemasons. I received my petition from the local computer repair guy because I noticed he had a square and compass hanging on his wall.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well... I suppose that I cannot speak for them as they are considered "irregular" by "regular masons," which are the majority here in the United States. Membership is not secret in any way here where I'm from. They wear rings, hang plaques on the walls of their businesses, and are more than willing to admit they are Freemasons. I received my petition from the local computer repair guy because I noticed he had a square and compass hanging on his wall.

well...I should have named this thread "Italian Freemasonry and Satanism".
to avoid misunderstandings

 

[Estro Felino]

Highly false

But the two parties in charge in Italy fiercely oppose Freemasonry

 

[oldbadger]

Freemasons are not to approach anyone and they do not to recruit.

They have their methods of approach.

I have been approached several times in my life, all in different ways.

Between 1968 and last year......... A group of three doctors, a rich builder, a yacht designer, A timber company sales director, A double-glazing company proprietor. a security company owner, a commercial detective institute leader, and a local trader, The last time was only last summer by that local trader.

It's best to remember one's own experiences, I think.......

Although my Grandfather was a very senior Freemason my father never did join, and I decided to go it alone just as my Dad did. Sadly many of the folks that I have known to be Freemasons were not people that I wanted to remain close to........ but that's probably just bad luck.

 

[ChristineM]

Nobody can deny that the most powerful bankers in the world join the several international Freemasonries.
Even Mario Draghi, President of the ECB, joins Freemasonry.

Freemasonry is rumored to worship Satan and to establish initiation rituals , which are Satanic rituals
Rumors or Truth?

Rumours spread by those who know no better and will not know any better because they exclude themselves from freemasonry.

Many years ago my grandfather tried to get me to join the lady masons. I believe he was honest in explaining their objectives and although he didnt go into detail about their rituals he gave me assurance that they were in no way anything i would object to.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Satan is not necessarily related to the Christian world. It can be worshiped even in the pagan world.
That's how I define Satan, or "the serpent that Mary crushed with her foot."

Satan is the affirmation that man is selfish and doomed to evil. It represents the animal struggle for survival, or jungle law, so Satanists are the ones who fight for their own good, and destroy the good of mankind.
Satanism is the pursue of greed and money-hunger. That's what I meant when I said that money-hunger is devilish.
Satan is the negation that man can become altruistic, pure and sinless, through renounce and sacrifice.
Satan is the negation of Love towards the neighbor, and the affirmation of love toward oneself.
Satan is the soul's death.

So basicaly, just about everything that anyone would simply call "bad" / "unethical" / "immoral" or alike, you'll just call it "satanical" and those who engage in said behaviour "satanists"?

 

[Estro Felino]

Rumours spread by those who know no better and will not know any better because they exclude themselves from freemasonry.

Many years ago my grandfather tried to get me to join the lady masons. I believe he was honest in explaining their objectives and although he didnt go into detail about their rituals he gave me assurance that they were in no way anything i would object to.

I will always be faithful to the Italian Republic and I'm ready to die for the Italian Republic. You cannot serve two masters, the state and the lodge.

 

[ChristineM]

I will always be faithful to the Italian Republic and I'm ready to die for the Italian Republic. You cannot serve two masters, the state and the lodge.

My objection was, "i cant be doing with all the bull_____"

And as for patriotism??? Same.

 

[Estro Felino]

So basicaly, just about everything that anyone would simply call "bad" / "unethical" / "immoral" or alike, you'll just call it "satanical" and those who engage in said behaviour "satanists"?

No...everything contrary to the comnon good= satanical

 

[ChristineM]

No...everything contrary to the comnon good= satanical

Who decides what is for the common good?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No...everything contrary to the comnon good= satanical

First you say "no" and then you proceed in agreeing with what I said.

 

[kenhilton]

I will always be faithful to the Italian Republic and I'm ready to die for the Italian Republic. You cannot serve two masters, the state and the lodge.

I think you might have the wrong idea of what Lodge is.

 

[kenhilton]

Is no one on here seeking knowledge and a better understanding of other points of view? It would be great to see people asking questions of one another and explanations and ideas being passed back. Does anyone agree? All I see are statements that go back and forth, which seem to have a negative intent. I would really like to hear what some of you know and how you came to have the point of view you are sharing. Just a thought.