Freemasonry and Satanism

[Estro Felino]

Still awaiting sources.

You want sources? Here they are (if you understand Italian)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ny86TI7kog

MASSONERIA NELLE ISTITUZIONI. Autorità criminali e culti misterici «

I understand that in America there is not the culture of slagging off the people who don't do things above board. In my country there is

 

[sojourner]

You want sources? Here they are (if you understand Italian)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ny86TI7kog

MASSONERIA NELLE ISTITUZIONI. Autorità criminali e culti misterici «

I understand that in America there is not the culture of slagging off the people who do things above board. In my country there is

Youtube does not constitute acceptable sourcing. Anyone can say anything on Youtube. This constitutes, "If it's on the internet, it has to be the truth."

 

[Estro Felino]

Youtube does not constitute acceptable sourcing. Anyone can say anything on Youtube. This constitutes, "If it's on the internet, it has to be the truth."

Well, in that video there is a Professor, Mrs C.Gatto Trocchi, who is not anyone. She claims that Deviated Freemasonry practices those rituals, or at least they read the Hymn to Satan by G. Carducci,
http://www.churchofsatan.com/carducci-hymn-to-satan.php

She was Professor of La Sapienza University
It's like a Harvard professor said something authorial. Would you believe it?

 

[sojourner]

Well, in that video there is a Professor, Mrs C.Gatto Trocchi, who is not anyone. She claims that Deviated Freemasonry practices those rituals
She was Professor of La Sapienza University
It's like a Harvard professor said something authorial. Would you believe it?

No. She is a woman, and women cannot, by definition, be freemasons, unless they are part of what is termed a "clandestine lodge." Clandestine lodges are completely different from true masonic lodges, and do not adhere to the same standards, rituals, or precepts of true freemasonry. Therefore, since she is not a freemason (in the true sense), she cannot authoritatively know enough about freemasonry to be an authority. This is a not-trusted "source." You'll have to do better than that.

 

[Estro Felino]

No. She is a woman, and women cannot, by definition, be freemasons, unless they are part of what is termed a "clandestine lodge." Clandestine lodges are completely different from true masonic lodges, and do not adhere to the same standards, rituals, or precepts of true freemasonry.

When I talked about those rituals I was referring to clandestine Freemasonry lodges, not certainly to the official ones. and yet you told me that you were sure about the integrity of all freemasons.

 

[sojourner]

When I talked about those rituals I was referring to clandestine Freemasonry lodges, not certainly to the official ones. and yet you told me that you were sure about the integrity of all freemasons.

Clandestine "freemasons" aren't freemasons. As I just indicated.

 

[Estro Felino]

Clandestine "freemasons" aren't freemasons. As I just indicated.

You know what the difference between you and me is? It's that you consider all Freemasons like saints, pure and Christian-like people. Because you are a Freemason and you don't want to slag off your brothers.

I am Catholic but I don't mind slagging off other Catholics, especially Vatican Cardinals. Au contraire, that's my favorite thing. I always claim that I am 100 % sure that the Vatican is full of Satanists and pedophiles (Cardinals, bishops and lay members) who perform awful disgusting rituals.
and Emanuela Orlandi was a girl kidnapped in the eighties and killed in these orgies.

so...I don't understand why you don't admit that in Italy there are rotten Freemasons who are Satanist. All that really matters is that you take the distances from them

 

[1137]

Impatiently awaiting valid sources.

 

[McBell]

so...I don't understand why you don't admit that in Italy there are rotten Freemasons who are Satanist. All that really matters is that you take the distances from them

Until such time as you can supoprt your claims with credible sources...

Not holding my breath.....

 

[sojourner]

You know what the difference between you and me is? It's that you consider all Freemasons like saints, pure and Christian-like people. Because you are a Freemason and you don't want to slag off your brothers.

I am Catholic but I don't mind slagging off other Catholics, especially Vatican Cardinals. Au contraire, that's my favorite thing. I always claim that I am 100 % sure that the Vatican is full of Satanists and pedophiles (Cardinals, bishops and lay members) who perform awful disgusting rituals.
and Emanuela Orlandi was a girl kidnapped in the eighties and killed in these orgies.

so...I don't understand why you don't admit that in Italy there are rotten Freemasons who are Satanist. All that really matters is that you take the distances from them

You completely bypassed the issue. The issue is that the people whom you are calling "freemasons" aren't freemasons.

 

[Parsimony]

My pastor and father are both freemasons. If there was anything satanic to it, neither of them would have joined. They are both pretty hard-core Christians.

 

[Estro Felino]

You completely bypassed the issue. The issue is that the people whom you are calling "freemasons" aren't freemasons.

That's exactly my point.

 

[sojourner]

That's exactly my point.

Huh?...

 

[Father Heathen]

Nobody can deny that the most powerful bankers in the world join the several international Freemasonries.
Even Mario Draghi, President of the ECB, joins Freemasonry.

Freemasonry is rumored to worship Satan and to establish initiation rituals , which are Satanic rituals
Rumors or Truth?

Unsubstantiated nonsense.

 

[sojourner]

Unsubstantiated nonsense.

That's the nice way of putting it.

 

[Estro Felino]

Huh?...

By the way in Italy people are not proud of saying they are Freemasons.
there must be a reason why they tend to keep this thing secret.
and when people do not things above board it is always because they have something to hide.

by the way, I wanna read you an article of the Italian Constitution, the 14th
Citizens have the right of free association for purposes which are not forbidden by the penal law.
All secret associations are forbidden, and also those who pursue, even indirectly, political goals by means of military organizations.
so I don't think that Freemasons' lodges, which do things in secret, are legal in Italy.

 

[1137]

Sources have yet to materialize, I take it?

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Nobody can deny that the most powerful bankers in the world join the several international Freemasonries.
Even Mario Draghi, President of the ECB, joins Freemasonry.

Freemasonry is rumored to worship Satan and to establish initiation rituals , which are Satanic rituals
Rumors or Truth?

I would have to say no. Just rumors. Freemasonry has played a pretty big role in my family history, and both of my grandfathers were 32nd degree Masons (the highest degree of the Scottish Rite one can recieve, without being appointed to the degree.) And my father is considering joining as well, as well as both grandmothers being members of the Order of the Eastern Star. I have a copy of 3 different handbooks from my late grandfather on my mother's side of the family. They mainly contain religious allegories to Judeo-Christian stories, and images of how the lodge is to be set up (except for one of them, which is written entirely in some code of jumbled letters and numbers.) Nothing mentioning Satan at all. Considering the only religious requirement is to believe in a deity, some masons probably don't even believe in Satan at all. So, I'm gonna say no. Also, my grandpa doesn't even know how to turn on a computer, and he is a member of the 2nd highest degree possible. I don't know what kind of world domination plans they have in mind with some of their highest-ranking members not even knowing how to work a computer.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

By the way in Italy people are not proud of saying they are Freemasons.
there must be a reason why they tend to keep this thing secret.
and when people do not things above board it is always because they have something to hide.

by the way, I wanna read you an article of the Italian Constitution, the 14th
Citizens have the right of free association for purposes which are not forbidden by the penal law.
All secret associations are forbidden, and also those who pursue, even indirectly, political goals by means of military organizations.
so I don't think that Freemasons' lodges, which do things in secret, are legal in Italy.

Except that Freemasonry is not a political organization. Everyone in the lodge is entitled to their own political beliefs. It would be kind of hard to "pursue" political goals when the Masons cannot even agree among themselves what political position is best. This is why lodges are forbidden to talk about religion and politics within the lodge itself. (Unless you're talking about the irregular Grand Orient lodges, which are a completely different story.)

 

[Amechania]

My father is a Mason and except for the padlocked freezer in his basement I've seen nothing in his behavior that hints at devilry.