Freemasonry

[hoomer]

I've read stuff on the whole secret society deal with the masons...all i know is my uncle is one and he's not bent on world domination.....they are mainly just a bunch of old guys who want to feel special so they become a part of "no girls allowed club".

free masons arent the illuminati.....

If you want to see REAL iuminati here :
http://www.lucistrust.org shhhh its a secret......

LUCI is shrt for LUCIFER..yes LUCIFER...Luciferians(worshipers of Lucifer..ARE a branch of the Illuminati) Luci's trust is so powerfu they work with the UN.......

Shhhh evil is eveywhere!!!!...

this may sound absurd...but sady its not......

 

[hoomer]

But that's why I find it hard to believe that people have problems and think that Masonry is bad. All we do is drink coffee and hand out money to various local charities. How is that evil?

Chris

Because Masonary USED to be SO MUCH more.....ie SPirtuality..conciousness expansion.....as you note it clearly isnt now...maybe you have to be a master mason for such things?

 

[hoomer]

Chris,

I must say that I misspoke.... the Masons might not be anti-Catholic, but the organization is incompatible with the Christian faith.

Freemasonry has a very formal religious system which includes a belief in God as the Grand Architect of the Universe, the immortality of the soul and the resurrection of the body. Masonry also believes that man can achieve salvation by his good works, independent of God's gift of grace. Notwithstanding its belief in God, resurrection of the body, and salvation by works, Masonry does not require its members to believe in Jesus Christ or His Church.

Freemasonry also reverences all religious writings and places these writings on par with God’s written Word found in the Bible. Thus, Masonry places all religious writings on its altar (Book of Mormon, the Vedas, Zend Avesta, the Sohar, the Kabalah, the Bhagavad-Gita, the Upanishads or any other religious writing). This is because, unlike Christianity, Freemasonry does not believe that the Bible is the revealed written Word of God. Instead, Freemasonry views all religions as equally plausible attempts to explain the truth about God which, in the end, cannot be known.

My Grandfather (may God have mercy on his soul) was a 32nd level Mason.... so I know a bit about what the group really stands for.

I hope you do too.

Scott

Wow so masons arent as arrogant to say only mY WAY is RIIGHT...unike so many others.....wow well I never........

yes essentialy masonary is a SPIRITUA PATH...not a religion

"Reigion is a club hence the beatings, SPirituality is a path hence the journey"
---my sexy gf

but oking at your profie I think you beleive that only Catholism is the right way to approach God......maybe I am wrong......sorry to me this is arrogant and uttery fooiish....buts thats just MY persepctive:tsk:

 

[hoomer]

Do you know much about the history of the Masons, such as what is suggested in Dan Brown's books? Also, what kinds of things did you have to do to be initiated? Was it a sort of, "Thank you sir, may I have another." deal?

Dan brown's book is fiction right or wrong????

This is the same man that wrote (and I know this is gonna offend) the FICTIONAL book that is the Da Vinci code....which as an actual grai seeker I find a bit funny....now everyone thinks the Grail is either in france or the Magdeena....lol....its neither and yet both...

VISITA INTERIORA TERRAE RECTIFICANDO INVENIES OCCULTUM LAPIDEM

 

[Scott1]

but oking at your profie I think you beleive that only Catholism is the right way to approach God......maybe I am wrong......sorry to me this is arrogant and uttery fooiish....buts thats just MY persepctive:tsk:

You are quite wrong.... but I can see where you get that idea. I believe that there is good and truth in all religions and spiritual directions..... I even believe that God is present even in those who don't believe in Him..... God loves us all..... but that's just MY perspective.

 

[Bondi]

but again....masonry is something one DOES...like painting a picture

Agreed, but how many here who put the fraternity down because of this that and the other are or have been mason's?

It is a valid point you are making, but it works both ways.

 

[Bondi]

but oking at your profie I think you beleive that only Catholism is the right way to approach God......maybe I am wrong......sorry to me this is arrogant and uttery fooiish....buts thats just MY persepctive:tsk:

If this is the only problem with it, then it is not a problem. You need to have found God before you can join, Freemasonry doesn't not offer you a path to God.

It teaches morals, how to be a good person, it encourages you to get more invovled in your faith, but it doesn't show you how, doesn't tell you which faith, just tells you to be more involved. It shows how being good to other people betters the community, how charitbale actions aid and benefit those is need and those in contact with them, stuff like that.

 

[Bondi]

You are quite wrong.... but I can see where you get that idea. I believe that there is good and truth in all religions and spiritual directions..... I even believe that God is present even in those who don't believe in Him..... God loves us all..... but that's just MY perspective.

You do not find conflict with Freemasonry and your faith then?

Whether you agree with the organisation or not, do you find issue with it from a faith perspective?

You quite kindly stated that Christians don't like it because Freemasonry allows alternate faiths and doesn't push just theirs, but as you have stated there is good and truth in all so does Freemasonry effect the RC contingency?

 

[hoomer]

You are quite wrong.... but I can see where you get that idea. I believe that there is good and truth in all religions and spiritual directions..... I even believe that God is present even in those who don't believe in Him..... God loves us all..... but that's just MY perspective.

My humblest apologies.......I apologies profusely...my GF is kinda cathoic...so I guss it irks me if I find eejit catholics...lol...which I can see you are not one of....

my apologies

SPIRITUS DOMINI REPLEVIT ORBEM TERRAUM

 

[hoomer]

Agreed, but how many here who put the fraternity down because of this that and the other are or have been mason's?

It is a valid point you are making, but it works both ways.

TO quote www.whywiccanssuck.com

"I dont have a problem with Wicca, just the Wiccans"

Sadly this is true for free masons....

I dont know enough abut Masons to condemn them......but Obviousky "making coffee and meeting new people" as previusy mentioned by soemone.....kinda defeats the mystical side of masonary...which IMO....has become a shadow of its former self.....

But it is HARDLY the only "religion" guity of this.........many "religions" need reforming...:bonk:

But what yu have earnt I do find interesting.....

 

[Scott1]

You do not find conflict with Freemasonry and your faith then?

No..... I already quite clearly (I thought) stated that Freemasonry (in my opinion) is not compatible with Christians..... it is also not allowed by the RCC to be a member of the Freemasons (can't remember if I already stated that).

Whether you agree with the organisation or not, do you find issue with it from a faith perspective?

Me personally? I think it is the structure and the oaths taken for membership..... things I feel (as a Catholic) are contrary to my dedication to the Church of God.

Just FYI, this might help understand why the RCC "is not quite fond" of Freemasonry.


But Freemasonry goes farther and attacks Catholicism openly. The "Voice" (Chicago), for instance, in an article which begins: "There is nothing in the Catholic religion which is adverse to Masonry", continues,

for the truth is, that masonry embodies that religion in which all men agree. This is as true as that all veritable religion, wherever found, is in substance the same. Neither is it in the power of any man or body of men to make it otherwise. Doctrines and forms of observance conformable to piety, imposed by spiritual overseers, may be as various as the courses of wind; and like the latter may war with each other upon the face of the whole earth, but they are not religion. Bigotry and zeal, the assumptions of the priestcraft, with all its countless inventions to magnify and impress the world . . . are ever the mainsprings of strife, hatred and revenge, which defame and banish religion and its inseparable virtues, and work unspeakable mischief, wherever mankind are found upon the earth. Popery and priestcraft are so allied, that they may be called the same; the truth being, that the former is nothing more nor less than a special case of the latter, being a particular form of a vicious principle, which itself is but the offspring of the conceit of self-sufficiency and the lust of dominion. Nothing which can be named, is more repugnant to the spirit of masonry, nothing to be more carefully guarded against, and this has been always well understood by all skillful masters, and it must in truth be said, that such is the wisdom of the lessons, i.e. of masonic instruction in Lodges, etc. [194] ​

The Freemason's Chronicle, 1887, I, 35.

so does Freemasonry effect the RC contingency?

I see where your confusion comes from..... but you have to remember that I would not support inclusion in a group that may cause a fellow Catholic to stray into error...... just because I believe that there may be a nugget of truth in a particular faith, does not mean that I would have my daughter (or a uneducated Catholic) read something or be indoctrinated with false teachings.

 

[Bondi]

it is also not allowed by the RCC to be a member of the Freemasons

I believe the RCC no longer states if membership of Freemasonry is right or wrong. It used to categorically state Freemasonry in it papals, but now just stipulates group that are detrimental to the church. Which in my reading makes it a personal choice by each follower whether a group, any group that is, contradicts with the teaching of the Church.

Why do you think they stopped naming Freemasonry specifically?

I have no problem if you find fault with Freemasonry, it is a personal choice, but it is a personal one to be made personally

Me personally? I think it is the structure and the oaths taken for membership..... things I feel (as a Catholic) are contrary to my dedication to the Church of God.

Is it the content, the fact they take oaths?

Do you accept that it may be your interpretation of what happens and possible mis-understanding. After all at the end of my days I may find out it is me that is wrong, and I accept that possibility.

Just FYI, this might help understand why the RCC "is not quite fond" of Freemasonry.

The "Voice" (Chicago),

Excellent article, not sure where the bad points were though, could you highlight the bits of distaste to the church. Any points directly against the RCC could be claimed as retaliation I suppose, eye for an eye and all that, but I cannot see that one holding up.

The Freemason's Chronicle, 1887, I, 35.

That's a bit dated for a start. It is amazing how far back people will go to find an article that say's what they need it too. Not directed at yourself here, but most of the time people don't even realise that words and phrases had a lot of different meanings then, than they do today.