Freemasonry

[grandsecretary]

Hello everyone.

I am here in order to take part in discussions about Free Masonrie, to assist by providing reliable information as much as possible.

Please read the disclaimer at the bottom of my postings because the Grand Lodge of All England has no connection whatsoever and must not be confused with The United Grand Lodge of England including its satellite organisations, in particular those Moderns Grand Lodges governed by the Conference of Grand Masters of Masons of North America (COGMINA), its Commission on Information for Recognition, and/or the Masonic Services Association.

The Grand Lodge at York is a sovereign and independent religious Masonic body. It does not recognise or admit the existence of any superior Masonic authority, however styled. The Grand Lodge at York is the original exponent of true, pure, and genuine Anglo-Saxon Free Masonrie. It retains jurisdiction over the Craft of Free Masonrie in England, Wales, the Channel Islands, its Territories and Lodges Overseas. It promulgates and defends the traditions and principles of Anglo-Saxon Free Masonrie and stands as the possessor and inheritor of those Masonic ideals which are not represented elsewhere.

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The Grand Lodge of All England wishes to confirm for the purposes of absolute clarity that the legitimacy and authority of The Grand Lodge of All England at York derives from its lawful act of constitutional restitution (public revival) effected at York on Friday 23rd December 2005 according to English law, European law, Masonic law, Masonic practice and tradition, and upon those ancient laws traditions and landmarks obtained through the practices of Free Masonrie since time immemorial. The Grand Lodge of All England is therefore beyond the jurisdiction of any other Masonic body, either at home or overseas.​

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I am employed in order to speak officially on behalf of The Grand Lodge of All England at York, and the views expressed are those of the Grand Lodge. I do NOT speak on behalf of any other masonic, or quasi-masonic organisations who must speak for themselves.​

 

[Willamena]

Welcome to the forums.

 

[England my lionheart]

Hello and welcome to the Forum,i see you like Cricket,did you watch the Ashes

 

[Breathe]

Hi and welcome to RF

 

[grandsecretary]

Hello and welcome to the Forum,i see you like Cricket,did you watch the Ashes

Thank you all for your welcome.

As much as possible, I am an ECB umpire and so am usually working during the Summer rather than watching. IMHO the real test will be to beat the Aussies in Australia.

 

[England my lionheart]

Thank you all for your welcome.

As much as possible, I am an ECB umpire and so am usually working during the Summer rather than watching. IMHO the real test will be to beat the Aussies in Australia.

Cool an Umpire,yes its tough playing in OZ but i think they will give a good account of themselves.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Sadly I think the best thing about cricket is.....the sandwiches...

Freemasonary.. how does your group differ from others?
It claims to be over a thousand years old!!!!! uh.....

How does your free masonary differ from modern hermeticism, alchemy, et al ?

 

[grandsecretary]

Too big a question. Please take some time to read our website. Our Free Masonry is pre-Davidic and dates from time immemorial.

Genuine Anglo-Saxon Free Masonry is firmly rooted in the Druidic/Celtic Christian/Joannine Templar tradition, and is not connected in any way with The Enlightenment philosophy "Deus Sive Natura", or the Invisible College of the Rosicrucian Brotherhood. It is a Gnostic tradition and we are thinking of making a love of cricket a requirement for membership.

 

[GiantHouseKey]

Greetings

Interesting... Another person from whom I can learn Wonderful. Welcome to RF, I hope you enjoy your stay.

GhK.

 

[Katzpur]

Welcome, Grandsecretary! Enjoy your time and RF!

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Welcome, and why all the secrets?

Mason's in the US are watered down and diluted, if not polluted.

What are you all hiding?

 

[grandsecretary]

Welcome, and why all the secrets?

Mason's in the US are watered down and diluted, if not polluted.

What are you all hiding?

You will have to ask the watered down and diluted if not polluted Masons of the U.S. about their freemasonry. I cannot speak for them.

As far as we are concerned (The Grand Lodge at York) this is the best explanation that I may give you:

Rituals - ceremonies of birth, death, marriage, initiation, healing, harvest, or religious observance - are found in all known cultures, and appear to have been performed for tens of thousands of years. They speak to people's core emotions and reveal values that a society holds dearest. Because their expression is conventional and obligatory, they join the individual in solidarity with the group. As such, they are part of a society's "essential constitution". (SOURCE: INTRODUCTION TO THE LEGAL FUNCTION OF RITUAL, by Geoffrey P. Miller,Comfort Professor of Law, New York University)

He references P. Stuyvesant and William T. Stuyvesant III Comfort Professor of Law at New York University and Victor Turner's reference book, The Ritual Process: Structure and Anti-Structure (1969)

Thank you for your welcome.

 

[Katzpur]

Welcome, and why all the secrets? What are you all hiding?

I knew it was only a matter of time before someone started railing against our newcomer. I would have thought that people would at least have saved their animosity to post somewhere other than on his introductory thread. How tacky can you get?

 

[monta]

Hello and welcome

 

[grandsecretary]

I knew it was only a matter of time before someone started railing against our newcomer. I would have thought that people would at least have saved their animosity to post somewhere other than on his introductory thread. How tacky can you get?

Thank you for your support and on top of this I hope that I have explained the reason for keeping our initiation ceremonies secret.

There is a Your Questions Answered page on our website which will answer questions of this nature. It answers questions on our system of Free Masonrie only.

Thank you for your welcome.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Too big a question. Please take some time to read our website. Our Free Masonry is pre-Davidic and dates from time immemorial.

Genuine Anglo-Saxon Free Masonry is firmly rooted in the Druidic/Celtic Christian/Joannine Templar tradition, and is not connected in any way with The Enlightenment philosophy "Deus Sive Natura", or the Invisible College of the Rosicrucian Brotherhood. It is a Gnostic tradition and we are thinking of making a love of cricket a requirement for membership.

what is the purpose of your free masonary....

which I know is not pre davidic.....

 

[Just_me_Mike]

I knew it was only a matter of time before someone started railing against our newcomer. I would have thought that people would at least have saved their animosity to post somewhere other than on his introductory thread. How tacky can you get?

Oh don't be silly Kat,
This guy is representing perhaps (if he is even legit) one of the most secretive societies in the world. You can not pick up a book on conspiracies and not find multiple references to his kind.

He shows up here, and if he is legit, he knows good and well the questions that will be coming his way. If he doesn't want to open up than so be it, why show up and offer to expound to us?

Maybe he is secretly recruiting, ooooohhh aaaahhhhh.

please...

 

[grandsecretary]

what is the purpose of your free masonary....

which I know is not pre davidic.....

Well it just goes to show that some people are prepared to make statements without even knowing which way is up.

I was baptised a Céile Dé on the 23rd June 1948. I was initiated and annointed a Priest of the Order on the 23rd June 1969. My family has been Céli Dé since, at least, the time of St Patrick and the Abbey of Armagh. That is a matter of public record. The tythes for the Abbey were my family's inheritance until the middle of the 16th century.

Free Masonrie, true, pure and genuine Anglo-Saxon Free Masonrie, was and IS pre-Davidic because it has roots firmly planted in the Ancient Celtic pre-Christian Priesthoods.

Free Masons with these roots and traditions re-entered public life when The Grand Lodge at York was revived in the Crypt of S. Peter at York (York Minster) on Friday, 23rd December 2005. The Assembly of Masons was attended by Free Masons from all over England, Scotland and Ireland and the Grand Master of All Masons was elected as the successor to Prince Edwin of York. He too has family connections to Free Masonrie which go back for many generations.

You have not a clue about The Grand Lodge at York, and obviously are determined not to learn. Now to answer your question, if your are willing to listen?

Free Masonrie is where all men are called to the Priesthood, inspired by God, to instruct men. The centre and source from which radiates the whole system of organized civil and ecclesiastical knowledge and practice.​

The Grand Lodge at York promulgates the doctrine of brotherhood, a world-wide community of men, not constituting a state, but bound by Anglo-Saxon values of independence, equality, impartial justice, freedom, liberty and democracy under the constitution, encouraging the development of good character, right action and fair dealing.

The Grand Lodge at York works within national consciousness which is based upon geography, shared institutions and traditions, rather than race.

The Grand Lodge at York promulgates and defends the culture, traditions and principles of Anglo-Saxon Free Masonrie and stands as the possessor and inheritor of those Masonic ideals not represented elsewhere in the world of freemasonry.

Free Masons from The Grand Lodge of All England are different because, in their ordinary lives, they do not advertise their membership or seek reward for their endeavours. They go about their private lives and do the same things as any other law-abiding citizens. They work, take care of their families, their communities and their environment, play sports, go to the theatre etc. What makes Free Masons different and special is that they are valiant and set apart from general society; bound together by a special set of religious and moral values. These are essential requirements for the leaders of our nations, states and communities.

I hope that this deals with your pre-conceived ill-informed prejudices and also answers your question.

If he wishes to partake of Masonry in its Original Purity, he will turn his attention to that source, where it hath been Inviolably maintained and continued for Successive Ages to this Day, and where the Legislature of Masonry for this Kingdom stands fixed by its true Title, "The Grand Lodge of All England", Established at the City of York. Issued at York 1779

Peter Clatworthy
Grand Secretary
The Grand Lodge of All England at York

 

[Mr Cheese]

Well it just goes to show that some people are prepared to make statements without even knowing which way is up.

I was baptised a Céile Dé on the 23rd June 1948. I was initiated and annointed a Priest of the Order on the 23rd June 1969. My family has been Céli Dé since, at least, the time of St Patrick and the Abbey of Armagh. That is a matter of public record. The tythes for the Abbey were my family's inheritance until the middle of the 16th century.

Free Masonrie, true, pure and genuine Anglo-Saxon Free Masonrie, was and IS pre-Davidic because it has roots firmly planted in the Ancient Celtic pre-Christian Priesthoods.

Free Masons with these roots and traditions re-entered public life when The Grand Lodge at York was revived in the Crypt of S. Peter at York (York Minster) on Friday, 23rd December 2005. The Assembly of Masons was attended by Free Masons from all over England, Scotland and Ireland and the Grand Master of All Masons was elected as the successor to Prince Edwin of York. He too has family connections to Free Masonrie which go back for many generations.

You have not a clue about The Grand Lodge at York, and obviously are determined not to learn. Now to answer your question, if your are willing to listen?

I hope that this deals with your pre-conceived ill-informed prejudices and also answers your question.

Peter Clatworthy
Grand Secretary
The Grand Lodge of All England at York

uh huh...
the 18th century is not pre davidic
...
You want me to learn yet you rpovide no information. You state your group is about preserving Anglo saxon rites and rituals. You know so are Morris Dancers...
Do you wear funny bells on your knees?
Now anyone that isnt a total moron knows very well that groups such as yours, since their inception have claimed nice legacies. The Free masons do it, the Pagans do it, the Christians do it! Free masonary, even yours go back, as you stated to two to three hundred years...no more. The "roots" arguement is silly. I understand the need to assert some legitimacy (although some websites claim your group has only existed for less than a decade...)... but frankly the 1000 yrs old claim... You know I might just be bloody minded enough to ask my free mason friends abiout your group....
But anyway to cut a long story short...
This ancient claim is akin to Wiccans claiming Wicca is the oldest religion known to man... or Members of Amorc stating they go back to Ancient Egpyt....
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I asked a question:
What is the purpose of your free masonary?
If all you want to do is admit it is for the preservation of anglo saxon values and rituals...
We could argue that your freemasonary is akin to going down the pub and eating cheese. Afterall along with Morris Dancing...I am willing to bet, drinking beer at a pub is also preserving time honored anglo saxon traditions.
No offense but Anglo Saxon traditions kind of smacks of rascism...
I also understand you probably wont answer my question...
Here's another what do you think of the Prince Hall tradition?
Or the Auset society?
As you are a pre davidic anglo saxon group...you arent involved in any form of modern western practices?

 

[Mr Cheese]

You have not a clue about The Grand Lodge at York, and obviously are determined not to learn. Now to answer your question, if your are willing to listen?

I hope that this deals with your pre-conceived ill-informed prejudices and also answers your question.

Peter Clatworthy
Grand Secretary
The Grand Lodge of All England at York

not really

I can read your wwebsite

amazing

If you dont actually want to say anything about your groups views, practices, reason for being or anything.... fine.

I do wonder why come to a forum and proclaim you are goign to "answer any questions" and discuss your group...then refuse to do so.