Freemasonry

[GiantHouseKey]

Policy decision. This will NEVER be changed. He can say what he wants because he is to credibility what Marylin Monroe is to the horticulture of the Ogen Melon.

Yeah that's not exactly what I meant. Never say never. If it was to save your family, you'd talk to him.

GhK.

 

[grandsecretary]

Yeah that's not exactly what I meant. Never say never. If it was to save your family, you'd talk to him.

GhK.

Oink flap, Oink flap.

If that ever happened we would all be safely locked away in a padded cell.

 

[J Bryson]

I may have to take back my thanks. I haven't been able to get that song out of my head for days now. Damn you, Pete Seeger! Damn you and your catchy socially aware tunes!

 

[Mr Cheese]

Policy decision. This will NEVER be changed. He can say what he wants because he is to credibility what Marylin Monroe is to the horticulture of the Ogen Melon.

I'm not the one making lofty claims about belonging to a group who created all the world's major religions

that has existed for thousands of years
is from england
is not esoteric in the slightest

You have refused to answer anyone's questions
You post smoke and mirrors and your own website

Using your own website as proof of the claims you are making
is as absurd as proving the bible with the bible....

some people!:sarcastic

 

[grandsecretary]

Here is another one for you JB. Hopefully the words will hit home with some people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=debgoWX1tLU

Religious Forums.

 

[darkendless]

Grandsecretary sir, according to the Grandmaster of Queensland Freemasonry (friend of a family friend) who i got a mason to email with a link to your website, your cult is not freemasonry at all but a splinter organisation. I became curious when you said "a religious movement" and had him emailed, and he has never heard of you guys before.

Strange is it not?

 

[darkendless]

Just for kicks:

Grand Lodge of All England

 

[England my lionheart]

Just for kicks:

Grand Lodge of All England

The link it was very interesting,i wonder what the Grandsecretary will say

 

[RESOLUTION]

Hello everyone.

I am here in order to take part in discussions about Free Masonrie, to assist by providing reliable information as much as possible.

Please read the disclaimer at the bottom of my postings because the Grand Lodge of All England has no connection whatsoever and must not be confused with The United Grand Lodge of England including its satellite organisations, in particular those Moderns Grand Lodges governed by the Conference of Grand Masters of Masons of North America (COGMINA), its Commission on Information for Recognition, and/or the Masonic Services Association.

The Grand Lodge at York is a sovereign and independent religious Masonic body. It does not recognise or admit the existence of any superior Masonic authority, however styled. The Grand Lodge at York is the original exponent of true, pure, and genuine Anglo-Saxon Free Masonrie. It retains jurisdiction over the Craft of Free Masonrie in England, Wales, the Channel Islands, its Territories and Lodges Overseas. It promulgates and defends the traditions and principles of Anglo-Saxon Free Masonrie and stands as the possessor and inheritor of those Masonic ideals which are not represented elsewhere.

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The Grand Lodge of All England wishes to confirm for the purposes of absolute clarity that the legitimacy and authority of The Grand Lodge of All England at York derives from its lawful act of constitutional restitution (public revival) effected at York on Friday 23rd December 2005 according to English law, European law, Masonic law, Masonic practice and tradition, and upon those ancient laws traditions and landmarks obtained through the practices of Free Masonrie since time immemorial. The Grand Lodge of All England is therefore beyond the jurisdiction of any other Masonic body, either at home or overseas.​

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I am employed in order to speak officially on behalf of The Grand Lodge of All England at York, and the views expressed are those of the Grand Lodge. I do NOT speak on behalf of any other masonic, or quasi-masonic organisations who must speak for themselves.​

Are you saying that the grand lodge members of the World do not meet and acknowledge one another when attending meeting of world organisations?
Peers over the edge of glasses and looks down nose whilst awaiting a reply...

 

[Katzpur]

Grandsecretary, I just noticed that every one of your posts is on this thread. Do you have anything to say on any of the hundreds of other recent threads on RF?

 

[DeamonPainter]

Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum (was recommanded by Darkendless to check this out).

Now I need to say something.

I am not here in any way shape or form to discredit grandsecretary as he states in his original post that he does not speak for any other masonic group.

However, I am a Freemason myself and I belong to a Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons here in Australia. When I came across this thread I became confused, as there is only one Grand Lodge of England yet this other group, the Grand Lodge of All England claimed supremacy. I investigated this matter and I contacted my own Grand Lodge. They stated that they had never heard of this group and had no idea who they were (and that they had no relation to the Grand Lodge of England).

As this was an unsatisfactory answer, I conducted more research and had a few of my brothers assist. They gave me quite a few details including a link which I gave to darkendless (as I am new I cannot post the link)

Now, this seemed to clear everything up for me and I hope that those who come across this forum/thread arn't given a negative opinion of Freemasonry.

Let me state that Freemasonry is NOT a religion. It accepts Free man of all religions, faiths and creeds but does not practice a single standard religion.

I now also state that The Grand Lodge of all England is NOT an official Masonic Order and has no claim nor supremacy over any other group other then itself.
They have never been officiated nor have they been accepted by any other Grand Lodge in the World apart from those other Rogue orders who may/may not have accepted this group.

That being said, the Grand Lodge of All England does not pose a threat to any Regualr and Officiated Masonic Body and that the only reason I have finally decided to post is so that outsiders do not gain a negative opinion of Freemasonry from one individual.

I do not agree with Grandsecretary's opinion and I do not agree with the way he refers to other Masonic Groups.

Final Note.
I will not prove that I am a Freemason (if it comes up) as I have nothing to prove nor hide. I have not commented negatively on the Grand Lodge of All England nor of Grand Secretary, I have just provided basic truth and facts. I am sure that Grandsecretary in real life is a lovely man (I hope) along with his rogue group.

If you would like to comment back grandsecretary I am more then happy to answer any questions you have in relation to what I have said.

(Something I really want to know though, is why do you call it 'masonrie'?)

 

[grandsecretary]

Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum (was recommanded by Darkendless to check this out).

Now I need to say something.

I am not here in any way shape or form to discredit grandsecretary as he states in his original post that he does not speak for any other masonic group.

However, I am a Freemason myself and I belong to a Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons here in Australia. When I came across this thread I became confused, as there is only one Grand Lodge of England yet this other group, the Grand Lodge of All England claimed supremacy. I investigated this matter and I contacted my own Grand Lodge. They stated that they had never heard of this group and had no idea who they were (and that they had no relation to the Grand Lodge of England).

As this was an unsatisfactory answer, I conducted more research and had a few of my brothers assist. They gave me quite a few details including a link which I gave to darkendless (as I am new I cannot post the link)

Now, this seemed to clear everything up for me and I hope that those who come across this forum/thread arn't given a negative opinion of Freemasonry.

Let me state that Freemasonry is NOT a religion. It accepts Free man of all religions, faiths and creeds but does not practice a single standard religion.

I now also state that The Grand Lodge of all England is NOT an official Masonic Order and has no claim nor supremacy over any other group other then itself.
They have never been officiated nor have they been accepted by any other Grand Lodge in the World apart from those other Rogue orders who may/may not have accepted this group.

That being said, the Grand Lodge of All England does not pose a threat to any Regularr and Officiated Masonic Body and that the only reason I have finally decided to post is so that outsiders do not gain a negative opinion of Freemasonry from one individual.

I do not agree with Grandsecretary's opinion and I do not agree with the way he refers to other Masonic Groups.

Final Note.
I will not prove that I am a Freemason (if it comes up) as I have nothing to prove nor hide. I have not commented negatively on the Grand Lodge of All England nor of Grand Secretary, I have just provided basic truth and facts. I am sure that Grandsecretary in real life is a lovely man (I hope) along with his rogue group.

If you would like to comment back grandsecretary I am more then happy to answer any questions you have in relation to what I have said.

(Something I really want to know though, is why do you call it 'masonrie'?)

Welcome to Religious Forums.

Free Masonrie is governed by the Ancient Landmarks of the Order and "The Constitutions of Masonrie" popularly known as The Gothic Constitutions. When you read them, you will see the use of the proper spelling of the Anglo-Saxon word "Masonrie".

The Grand Lodge of All England wishes to confirm for the purposes of absolute clarity that the legitimacy and authority of The Grand Lodge of All England at York derives from its lawful act of constitutional restitution (The Constitutions of Masonrie) effected at York on Friday 23rd December 2005 according to English law, European law, Masonic law, Masonic practice and tradition, and upon those ancient laws traditions and landmarks obtained through the practices of Free Masonrie since time immemorial. The Grand Lodge of All England is therefore beyond the jurisdiction of any other Masonic body, either at home or overseas, particularly but not exclusively: The United Grand Lodge of England; The Conference of Grand Masters of Masons of North America and its constituent Grand Lodges.

The Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons in Australia is a Moderns Grand Lodge under the jurisdiction of the Moderns United Grand Lodge of England, therefore:-

The Grand Lodge of All England wishes to make it crystal clear that it is not connected in any way with The United Grand Lodge of England, or any of its satellite Moderns Grand Lodges, including The Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons of Australia.

The Grand Lodge of All England has never claimed "supremacy" over The United Grand Lodge of England, it denies the Masonic legitimacy falsely claimed by The United Grand Lodge of England. It was, and remains an unchartered, unauthorised, Quasi-Masonic organisation emanating from a profane meeting alleged to have taken place in the tiny back room of a London Ale-house on the 24th June 1717.

"Upon enquiry it would appear, that all their boasted supremacy is derived from an obscure person, who lived about sixty-two years ago, and whose name is not to be found on record amongst Ancient or Modern Masons." ... "Such are the words of the most authentic history amongst Modern Masons, and beyond contradiction prove the origin of their supremacy to be a self-created assembly. Nor was a self- creation the only defect: They were defective in numbers. (SOURCE: Ahiman Rezon, by Laurence Dermott, Grand Secretary of the "Antients" Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons According to the Old Institution, published by Southwick & Hardcastle, 2 Wall Street, New York, 1805)

"No records of any of the "Four Old Lodges" have been made known of a date prior to the London Grand Lodge era ..." (SOURCE: Freemasonry in the Early 1600's and 1700's by W.J. Hughan, Leicester, 25th January 1904)

"It is to be regretted that the records of the "Four Old Lodges" do not antedate those of the 'Grand Lodge', they brought into existence, as fortunately happens in the case of the single lodge which blossomed into the 'Grand Lodge of all England, held at York,' " (SOURCE: The History of Freemasonry, Vol. IV by Robert Freke Gould, 1884)

I do not speak for you or your Moderns form of freemasonry, or associate ourselves with it. Why do you presume to speak for York and assume to associate yourself with us? You admitted that you had never heard about us until a few hours ago! Now, suddenly, you are the expert and the spokesman.

Please see: The Grand Lodge of All England - Welcome Page for the many hundreds of independent: historical, governmental, educational, literary and Masonic references.

For historical reasons; (our Free Masons founded Free Masonrie in France [La Grande Loge, 1720], The Grand Lodge of All England is in Amity with La Grande Loge de France (GLdF) comprising over 700 Lodges and 26,300 members; The United Grand Lodges of India comprising 4 subordinate Grand Lodges: The Grand Lodge of Upper India based in Chandigarh with 23 Lodges; The Grand Lodge of South India based in Coimbatore with 14 Lodges; The Grand Lodge of Western India based in Mumbai with 3 Lodges; and The Grand Lodge of Eastern India based in Lucknow with 5 Lodges.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Please see: The Grand Lodge of All England - Welcome Page for the many hundreds of independent: historical, governmental, educational, literary and Masonic references.

For historical reasons; (our Free Masons founded Free Masonrie in France [La Grande Loge, 1720], The Grand Lodge of All England is in Amity with La Grande Loge de France (GLdF) comprising over 700 Lodges and 26,300 members; The United Grand Lodges of India comprising 4 subordinate Grand Lodges: The Grand Lodge of Upper India based in Chandigarh with 23 Lodges; The Grand Lodge of South India based in Coimbatore with 14 Lodges; The Grand Lodge of Western India based in Mumbai with 3 Lodges; and The Grand Lodge of Eastern India based in Lucknow with 5 Lodges.

once again you are just saying read my website...



ack well

 

[grandsecretary]

The link it was very interesting,i wonder what the Grandsecretary will say

[FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Disclaimer on this unofficial website known as masonicinfo:

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[FONT=verdana, Arial, Helvetica]This site and its contents are © (copyright) 1998-2009 by Edward L. King (Ed King). All rights reserved. All comments and opinions are mine personally[/FONT].

Any foolish individual can own a website, and this sadly deranged individual proves it beyond all reasonable doubt. He has withdrawn a number of allegations against ourselves and others under threat of legal action, and another of his websites was closed down after he lost one court action. He is extremely foolhardy.

 

[DeamonPainter]

OK, first of all I never said I was an expert, nor did I say I speak for your group (or any group really). All I wished to make clear is that technically you are a rogue group and have never been officiated or recognised by any masonic body.

You stated "The Grand Lodge of All England has never claimed "supremacy" over The United Grand Lodge of England, it denies the Masonic legitimacy falsely claimed by The United Grand Lodge of England. It was, and remains an unchartered, unauthorised, Quasi-Masonic organisation emanating from a profane meeting alleged to have taken place in the tiny back room of a London Ale-house on the 24th June 1717."

To me that seems to claim supremacy as you are saying that they are the rogue group and you are not. You have only exisited since 2005 and try to claim this still?

Just because yourself and a few other men decided that either you didn't agree with the United Grand Lodge of England, weren't allowed to become a Freemason or wished to seize power does not make your claim true.

One of the principles of Freemasonry is brotherly love and you have not showed this with your words nor do you practice it. I do not have a problem with you nor your United Grand Lodge of All England wishing to be your own group but you seem to claim some very outrageous things about Freemasonry in general. You have only exisited since 2005 and yet you still claim all these things.

(As for that website where the man claims that it is his own personal opinion, he is just stating that he does not represent any Masonic Group, just as I have stated.)

 

[Mr Cheese]

come now, a group began in 2005 clearly stretches back over 5000 years....

heck if it is claiming to author hinduism, we are talking even longer...

 

[grandsecretary]

OK, first of all I never said I was an expert, nor did I say I speak for your group (or any group really). All I wished to make clear is that technically you are a rogue group and have never been officiated or recognised by any masonic body.

You stated "The Grand Lodge of All England has never claimed "supremacy" over The United Grand Lodge of England, it denies the Masonic legitimacy falsely claimed by The United Grand Lodge of England. It was, and remains an unchartered, unauthorised, Quasi-Masonic organisation emanating from a profane meeting alleged to have taken place in the tiny back room of a London Ale-house on the 24th June 1717."

To me that seems to claim supremacy as you are saying that they are the rogue group and you are not. You have only exisited since 2005 and try to claim this still?

Just because yourself and a few other men decided that either you didn't agree with the United Grand Lodge of England, weren't allowed to become a Freemason or wished to seize power does not make your claim true.

One of the principles of Freemasonry is brotherly love and you have not showed this with your words nor do you practice it. I do not have a problem with you nor your United Grand Lodge of All England wishing to be your own group but you seem to claim some very outrageous things about Freemasonry in general. You have only exisited since 2005 and yet you still claim all these things.

(As for that website where the man claims that it is his own personal opinion, he is just stating that he does not represent any Masonic Group, just as I have stated.)

No, we do NOT claim supremacy, we charge you with total dishonesty, falsehood, shameful dishonour and then dismiss you. A gang of lowlife fakes, thieves, footpads and pickpockets, par excellence. The biggest confidence trick ever perpetrated upon the free world.

Now, you have not dealt with our accusations. The issue is your illegal, unchartered, unwarranted, profane meeting at the Goose and Gridiron in 1717. Your sole claim to legitimacy. Perhaps it slipped your memory? No rush. Take your time.

Despite overwhelming evidence proving it to be a total fallacy, it is still claimed, and often repeated by Moderns freemasons that organised Free Masonry began in 1717 after a meeting in the tiny back room of a London Ale-house under the chairmanship of "a nameless person". Remarkably, this spurious claim for Masonic regularity and recognition is solely based upon alleged proceedings of an unauthorised, profane meeting.

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"Upon enquiry it would appear, that all their boasted supremacy is derived from an obscure person, who lived about sixty-two years ago, and whose name is not to be found on record amongst Ancient or Modern Masons." ... "Such are the words of the most authentic history amongst Modern Masons, and beyond contradiction prove the origin of their supremacy to be a self-created assembly. Nor was a self- creation the only defect: They were defective in numbers. (SOURCE: Ahiman Rezon, by Laurence Dermott, Grand Secretary of the "Antients" Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons According to the Old Institution, published by Southwick & Hardcastle, 2 Wall Street, New York, 1805)​

"No records of any of the "Four Old Lodges" have been made known of a date prior to the London Grand Lodge era ..." (SOURCE: Freemasonry in the Early 1600's and 1700's by W.J. Hughan, Leicester, 25th January 1904)

"It is to be regretted that the records of the "Four Old Lodges" do not antedate those of the 'Grand Lodge', they brought into existence, as fortunately happens in the case of the single lodge which blossomed into the 'Grand Lodge of all England, held at York,' " (SOURCE: The History of Freemasonry, Vol. IV by Robert Freke Gould, 1884)​

"... in a room at a tavern about 22 feet long by 16 feet wide the first Grand Lodge in London was, according to the account given by Dr Anderson, in his "New Book of Constitutions" thus formally "Constituted". Whilst it is now recognised that Dr Anderson's "Story of the Craft", based on mythical tales and legendary traditions is quite untrustworthy, yet his version of the actual origin of the Grand Assembly, or Grand Lodge at London may or may not deserve some credence, for, after all it is only available for our consideration as there are no records prior to 1723, so what ever may or may not have happened in 1717 is left only to imagination." (SOURCE: Paper read before the Manchester Association for Masonic Research in May 1924, by Bro. Heiron, author of Ancient Freemasonry and the Dundee Lodge No.18 1722-1920)

"The reality is that we have no written documents about the foundation of the first Grand Lodge in 1717, no evidence that the members of the four lodges meeting at the Goose and Gridiron Tavern were the successors of the operative stonemasonry which transmitted them its rituals. John Hamill (Chief Librarian of The United Grand Lodge of England) says that"the analysis of the context in England at 1717 demonstrates that the operative lodges had disappeared since a long time. Whatever the four London lodges were at that time, it is established that they could not have been the successors of the Stonemasons' Lodges". (SOURCE: The Scottish Key. An Investigation into the Origins of Freemasonry, by Tristan Bourlard and François De Smet, SimonGo! Productions, 2007)

"... the first Annual Assembly of the four London Lodges that came together on 24th June 1717 did not constitute in any sense a regulatory body." (SOURCE: Jeremy Pemberton, President of the Board of General Purposes of the United Grand Lodge of England in his address to the Centenary Conference of the Grand Lodge of Adelaide, 13 April 1984)
"Hiram Abiff was probably never heard of in a Lodge until after 1717... The legend of the Third Degree was introduced by the newcomers into Masonry ... (SOURCE: Albert Pike 1886, Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry by Charles Sumner Lobingier, 1932)​

"Many learned Brethren believe that Freemasonry with its Three Degrees was created by Bros. Anderson and Desaguliers out of a crude operative Rite of One Degree from 1717 - 1723 - 1728. "The 1717 Theory" is no longer tenable in view of the evidence that the Elizabethan Brethren "moralised on Tools and spiritualised Temples" in 1589. (SOURCE: Shakespeare Creator of Freemasonry by Alfred Dodd, London: Rider & Co, 1933.)

"The history of the Order seemed to be one of its best kept secrets. I soon realised that little was known about what happened before 1717. The more I found out about the local history of Freemasonry in Yorkshire the more evidence I saw that it had been around for a long time before that first meeting at the Goose and Gridiron in London. York had a Grand Lodge of its own long before 1717. I found copies of Ancient Charges from well of over a hundred years before Freemasonry was supposed to have begun. None of the Craft’s own stories of its origins fitted the facts. (SOURCE: Freemasonry by Dr Robert Lomas, Website of Bradford University)
"It admits of little doubt, that in its inception the Grand Lodge of England was intended merely as a governing body for the Masons of the Metropolis (London). The minutes of the Grand Lodge sufficiently attest to this ..." (SOURCE: Four Old Lodges by Robert Freke Gould, 1879)​

"Ancient Craft Masonry consisted of a single degree, the Fellow-Craft. The Master's degree is little more than one hundred and fifty years old, if, indeed, it has been a degree, and not merely a ceremony of investiture with office, so long as that." (SOURCE: Albert Pike, 1868)

"The 1717 movement was not a "revival," as Anderson has it, and recent writers contend it to have been. REVOLUTION is the proper term, as it was the culmination of revolutionary movements commenced more than one hundred and fifty years prior, and continued through all those years to gain the end aimed at. The movements subsequent to 1717 prove it, as the course pursued by the new Grand Lodge towards the York Grand Lodge was of the same character as before the revolution. The York Grand Lodge cannot be ignored, as Anderson and some writers of the present day aim to do. It has a record prior to 1717 and subsequent ..." (SOURCE: Freemasonry in England from 1567 to 1813, London Grand Lodges, p.17, by Leon Hyneman, 1877)

Now. These are ALL credible sources, totally independent of The Grand Lodge at York.
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QUESTIONS THAT MUST BE ANSWERED IF YOU ARE TO HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY HERE, ON A NON-MASONIC FORUM:

1) Name the regular Free Masons who attended the alleged meeting.

2) Who chaired the alleged meeting?

3) Name the alleged "four old lodges" and the alleged names of their alleged Masters and alleged Wardens, without whom it would have been TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE to authorise such a meeting.

4) Please publish the alleged minutes of this alleged meeting.

I will leave these questions with you. if you do not respond, all here will realise that you are simply a UGLE propogandist worthy of, on a par with, and with the similar morals as Herr Goebbels.

Please answer the questions first, and then feel free to continue your sticky sweet character assassination from the safe haven of your dishonest, cowardly, craven anonymity.

You stand accused. Answer the questions or be found guilty as charged.

 

[DeamonPainter]

LOL!

Nasty arn't we?

I have nothing to prove as I did not come on here to prove anything. I only came on here to make it clear to those reading that your group was not official.

We both know the truth, and I think this banter backwards and forwards is just going to continue no matter who says what. When I stated that you need evidence to make claims you have just turned around and listed information from your website and tried to turn the questions back onto me. I am not an official spokeperson for any group so I really don't need to prove anything as this discussion isn't about the legitimacy of anyone's lodge apart from your own.

I don't exactly know what your group is trying to achieve but good luck to you.

Good luck to you and all your endevours!

 

[grandsecretary]

LOL!

Nasty arn't we?

I have nothing to prove as I did not come on here to prove anything. I only came on here to make it clear to those reading that your group was not official.

We both know the truth, and I think this banter backwards and forwards is just going to continue no matter who says what. When I stated that you need evidence to make claims you have just turned around and listed information from your website and tried to turn the questions back onto me. I am not an official spokeperson for any group so I really don't need to prove anything as this discussion isn't about the legitimacy of anyone's lodge apart from your own.

I don't exactly know what your group is trying to achieve but good luck to you.

Good luck to you and all your endevours!

This is our aim. It was minuted as the aim in the Crypt of York Minster at the revival of The Grand Lodge of All England on the 23rd December 2005.

"In accordance with The Constitutions of Masonrie, to reclaim Anglo-Saxon Free Masonrie to its rightful owners, the true Free Masons of England."

You seem to have forgotten once again to answer the simplest of questions which will clear up the doubts that I have raised in respect of the Masonic legitimacy of your parent, The United Grand Lodge of England. This false and deceitful claim to legitimacy, and also the further spurious and ludicrous claim to be the sole arbiter of Masonic regularity is based entirely on a meeting that allegedly took place in the tiny back room of the Goose and Gridiron Ale-house on the 24th June 1717.

Continuing failure to prove that this alleged meeting took place, and proof of its Masonic legitimacy, is a concomitant failure to establish the Masonic legitimacy of The United Grand Lodge of England and its satellite Grand Lodges, including your claimed Grand Lodge, The Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons of Australia.

I am happy to give you a final opportunity:

QUESTIONS THAT MUST BE ANSWERED IF YOU ARE TO HAVE ANY CREDIBILITY HERE, ON A NON-MASONIC FORUM:

1) Name the regular Free Masons who attended the alleged meeting at the Goose and Gridiron Ale-house on the 24th June 1717.

2) Who chaired the alleged meeting at the Goose and Gridiron Ale-house on the 24th June 1717?

3) Name the alleged "four old lodges" and the alleged names of their alleged Masters and alleged Wardens, without whom it would have been TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE to authorise such a meeting at the Goose and Gridiron Ale-house on the 24th June 1717.

4) Please publish the alleged minutes of this alleged meeting at the Goose and Gridiron Ale-house on the 24th June 1717.

You stand accused. Answer the questions or be found guilty as charged.

 

[grandsecretary]

Every time that we, The Grand Lodge of All England appears on a forum, whether Masonic or otherwise, the False-Masons belonging to The United Grand Lodge of England pop up and deny English history, and English heritage.

The way that they conduct themselves always reminds me of this song from the musical Barnum:

There is a sucker born every minute
Each time the second hand sweeps to the top
Like dandelions up they pop,
Their ears so big, their eyes so wide.
And though I feed ‘em bonafide baloney
With no truth in it
Why you can bet I’ll find some rube to buy my corn.
‘Cause there’s a sure-as-shooting sucker born a minute,
And I’m referrin’ to the minute you were born.

Each blessed hour brings sixty of ‘em
Each time the wooden cuckoo shows his face
Another sucker takes his place,
And plunks his quarter on the line
To buy my brand of genuine malarkey.
God bless and love ‘em!
But don’t feel sad or hoppin’ mad or cause a scene
‘Cause there’s a sure-as-shooting sucker born a minute,
But Ma’am you mighta been the minute in between.

If I allow that right here in my hands
The smallest living human man
The sight of that is surely worth a dime
If I present an educated pooch
Who’s trained to dance the hoochie cooch
What better way to waste a bit of time
If I imported monumental cost
A lady, fair, who’s head was lost
While crossing railroad tracks to pick some zinnias
Who eats farina through a hose
And wares pink tights instead of clothes
If that ain’t worth a buck my name ain’t Phineas

Aw you say that’s hog wash well who cares
You’ll buy my hog wash long as;

There’s a sucker born every minute
Each time the second hand sweeps to the top
Like dandelions up they pop,
Their ears so big, their eyes so wide.
And though my tale is bonafide baloney,
Just let me spin it,
And ain’t no man who can resist me wait and see
‘Cause there’s a sure-as-shooting sucker born a minute,
And friends the biggest one excluding none is me!

Well, from now on, the free ride is over. No more suckers.