Frenchman wins case seeking to be "de-baptized" Roman Catholic

[Kathryn]

I wish I hadn't married my ex husband. But I did. So now the record shows that I was married to him, and we're now divorced.

You can't be "de baptised." I mean - you WERE baptised. You should however be allowed to cancel your membership in the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[Tristesse]

I wish I hadn't married my ex husband. But I did. So now the record shows that I was married to him, and we're now divorced.

You can't be "de baptised." I mean - you WERE baptised. You should however be allowed to cancel your membership in the Roman Catholic Church.

I guess the difference is, YOU made the decision to marry him(unless you were kidnapped and forced to marry him), what decision did a two week old baby have in being baptised? I suspect none.

 

[Desert Snake]

I wish I hadn't married my ex husband. But I did. So now the record shows that I was married to him, and we're now divorced.

You can't be "de baptised." I mean - you WERE baptised. You should however be allowed to cancel your membership in the Roman Catholic Church.

I'm just curious as to why it matters to you whether someones church records should be kept against that persons own wishes? What's the point? The person has left the church, renounced the church's actions, and wants their name removed from said activity, why not oblige them?

 

[Kathryn]

I guess the difference is, YOU made the decision to marry him(unless you were kidnapped and forced to marry him), what decision did a two week old baby have in being baptised? I suspect none.

It's a baptismal record.

Most kids aren't given the choice of attending school either. Should we ask that our school records be expunged if we don't like the education we got there as well?

No one ever asked me if I wanted a vaccination either. Should I insist that my vaccination records be expunged?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Why didn't he just take the excommunication option? Why waste the people's money by clogging up the court with a frivolous lawsuit?

 

[Kathryn]

I'm just curious as to why it matters to you whether someones church records should be kept against that persons own wishes? What's the point? The person has left the church, renounced the church's actions, and wants their name removed from said activity, why not oblige them?

I have stated repeatedly that I think the RCC should remove people's names as members if they state they do not consider themselves a member of the RCC.

 

[Kathryn]

I never asked for a social security number either! DADGUMMIT! And my brother is circumsized - that REALLY sucks for him!

 

[Desert Snake]

It's a baptismal record.

Most kids aren't given the choice of attending school either. Should we ask that our school records be expunged if we don't like the education we got there as well?

No one ever asked me if I wanted a vaccination either. Should I insist that my vaccination records be expunged?

There is obviously a big difference between these records...one is private, and religious, the other is public, and civil.

 

[Kathryn]

There is obviously a big difference between these records...one is private, and religious, the other is public, and civil.

Baptismal records can be and are often used for legal purposes, including establishing your ID and receiving state issued ID cards.

 

[Tristesse]

It's a baptismal record.

Most kids aren't given the choice of attending school either. Should we ask that our school records be expunged if we don't like the education we got there as well?

I think you should have the right to do that. However, it's a little different, it would be like the school having a record of your schooling while also counting you as one of it's pupils still.

No one ever asked me if I wanted a vaccination either. Should I insist that my vaccination records be expunged?

Also, if thats what you want to do, go for it! But if you're compairing vaccination to baptism, at least the former was somewhat beneficial to you.

 

[Kathryn]

But why I even discussing this? I don't care about this case and I've got better things to do.

FORMER CATHOLIC AND I DON'T CARE WHETHER THE CHURCH THINKS SO OR NOT!

Carry on.

 

[HerDotness]

Why didn't he just take the excommunication option? Why waste the people's money by clogging up the court with a frivolous lawsuit?

Because excommunication doesn't mean that you're kicked out of the church altogether as is so commonly thought. It's more like "separated from the community" but not divorced from it.

You're only excluded from participating in certain functions such as not being able to take communion or not being a godparent to a baby being baptized. You're still regarded as a Catholic, however.

It's more like a probation--you're restricted in what you can be involved in but are not booted out entirely. The hope there, too, is that you'll repent and asked to be restored to all rights and priveleges.

 

[Desert Snake]

Baptismal records can be and are often used for legal purposes, including establishing your ID and receiving state issued ID cards.

You're also conveniently leaving out the spiritual aspect of this, namely that people who change religions might want a permanent 'break' with the RCC, for their own religious reasons.

 

[Kathryn]

You're also conveniently leaving out the spiritual aspect of this, namely that people who change religions might want a permanent 'break' with the RCC, for their own religious reasons.

Sigh. Which is why I said that people should be allowed to "cancel their membership" or completely break off their present and future affiliation with the RCC.

This does not include past events however. The pesky truth is that they were baptised in the RCC. It's a fact, it happened - just like all sorts of other things that we get roped into by our parents when we're kids, but deviate from as we get older. Get over it and move forward.

 

[Desert Snake]

But why I even discussing this? I don't care about this case and I've got better things to do.

FORMER CATHOLIC AND I DON'T CARE WHETHER THE CHURCH THINKS SO OR NOT!

Carry on.

Stop with the apologetics already.

You have got to be joking if you don't realize the many reasons people would want to be dis-assocciated with the RCC.

 

[Kathryn]

Stop with the apologetics already.

You have got to be joking if you don't realize the many reasons people would wnant to be dis-assocciated with the RCC.

You have got to be joking if you don't realize that I have said that at least 5 times on this thread.

 

[Desert Snake]

Get over it and move forward.

Many don't want to. They want to be completely dis-assoaciated with the RCC. Many people view the RCC in an extremely negative way, and yet, more apologetics from you.

 

[Kathryn]

Many don't want to. They want to be completely dis-assoaciated with the RCC. Many people view the RCC in an extremely negative way, and yet, more apologetics from you.

This makes no sense. I'm not giving you any apologetics.

But something else that apparently makes no sense is me trying to clarify this to you. So stick a fork in me, I'm done.

 

[Desert Snake]

This makes no sense. I'm not giving you any apologetics.

That's even worse, it's almost as if you don't care about the RCC's obligations and responsibilities as a supposed 'religious' institution.

 

[Kathryn]

That's even worse, it's almost as if you don't care about the RCC's obligations and responsibilities as a supposed 'religious' institution.

OMG. If my granddaughter becomes a Mormon, she can try to make me a Mormon RETROACTIVELY even after my death.

I DON'T care about RCC doctrines that don't harm anyone.