Fulfillment of Prophecy in the New Testament

[Brian2]

So who is this Lamb? The Bab? Baha'u'llah? Muhammad? Or, Jesus?

I would say from the quotes you give that it is Jesus who is the Lamb.

 

[Brian2]

By discrediting do you mean like this passage Baha’u’llah wrote about Jesus?

“Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent Spirit.

We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him, the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified.

Leprosy may be interpreted as any veil that interveneth between man and the recognition of the Lord, his God. Whoso alloweth himself to be shut out from Him is indeed a leper, who shall not be remembered in the Kingdom of God, the Mighty, the All-Praised. We bear witness that through the power of the Word of God every leper was cleansed, every sickness was healed, every human infirmity was banished. He it is Who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 85-86

http://reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-36.html.utf8?query=son|of|man&action=highlight

Not that specifically but those things mentioned are not the gospel of Jesus and anyway the message of Baha'u'llah is that the time for the gospel of Jesus is finished, forget that gospel (which I will sort of make sound wonderful but actually am twisting) and now turn to Baha'u'llah.

No, that is just putting Jesus on par with all the other Messengers of God, just where He belongs.

Now that is discrediting Jesus and part of the changing of the whole Biblical story to another story.
Anyway Baha'u'llah places himself above Jesus and any other Messenger when it comes to levels of the Messengers.

Baha’u’llah never tried to usurp what belonged to Jesus but Baha’u’llah could not usurp what never belonged to Jesus.

The hundred-dollar question is why Baha’u’llah bothers you so much if He is just a false Christ? There are a lot of other men who claimed to be the return of Christ, why not go after them?

I'm not superman, but will say that I have heard JWs say the same as you, "There must be something special about us if you want to come after us" Really I hope to show you that Baha'u'llah is not the return of Jesus but the problem seems to be that your eyes are closed to the Bible and open only to what Baha'i says about the Bible.
But yes Baha'u'llah is usurping what the New Testament says belongs to Jesus. And even when Jesus name is used personally in the NT in association with those things all you can do is say "That is not about Jesus, it is about Baha'u'llah".

Baha’is cannot close down the Gospel message. We don’t have that much power. If it is the will of God that the Gospel Message is forever, then nothing a few million Baha’is do is going to make any difference. If you are right and we are wrong, all we have to do is wait for Jesus to return and straighten everything out. So why are you worried?

I'm not worried about the gospel message but I can see that for people who become Baha'is the gospel of Jesus is a closed door in this dispensation of Baha'u'llah.

Baha’u’llah was not the one that would complete the work of Jesus. The only job that God gave Baha’u’llah was to complete His mission, garner a few followers who would carry the message to humanity, and write scriptures. Baha’u’llah wrote up the instructions for the Baha’is so they could complete the work that needs to be done to build the Kingdom of God on earth. That work has begun and it continues.

So now you are saying that Baha'u'llah is the return of Jesus but it does not matter if he does not do the work that the returned Jesus is to do. What's that, a "forget about the return of Jesus and what he was meant to do,,,,,,,,,,,,we have another mission".

By all scholarly accounts it had been, but you can always look for loopholes and they will always be found because most prophecies can be interpreted so many ways, so you can always say they do not apply to Baha’u’llah, even when they are so specific they are too obvious to deny, like Micah 7:12.

Baha'i uses a newspaper article or something to prove to you that the gospel had been preached to all the world by 1844 when it was actually a time when Christianity was setting up missionary societies to take the gospel to places where the gospel had never been heard. Even now there are people who have never heard the gospel.

 

[Brian2]

That is not Jesus saying He is coming back to earth. Face it, Jesus never promised to return. Of course Jesus knew he could not return in the same body because Jesus knew His body died.

Yes John 14:3 is Jesus saying that He is coming back to earth.

I can understand the motives of these Christians who are trying to convert me, they mean well, but by now you know I am not a convertible, I am a hardtop.

 

[Brian2]

God did lie to the disciples because the disciples did not write the NT. The NT came to us by way of oral tradition, so it is not the exact words of Jesus. Or even anything close.

No, Jesus did not say that, men wrote that Jesus said that and it got recorded in the NT. Then a whole bunch of naïve people believed that Jesus said it because they could not reason that it would have been impossible for anyone who never even knew Jesus to know what He said and write it down decades later.

Believe whatever you want to believe, they are just beliefs, nothing you can ever prove, so why argue about them incessantly?

And the words that Jesus allegedly spoke are not important to anyone except Christians.

It should matter but it does not matter to Christians.

No, we are not denying the power of God, we are denying that God used His power to bring a decomposed body back to life, because it God would not do such a stupid thing since there would be no reason to do it, so it is obvious to any logical person that those are just stories men wrote in a book.

You use the arguments of atheists and sceptics to attack the credibility of the Bible and then say "We Baha'is believe the Bible" "Jesus is so wonderful and His word will last forever".

 

[Brian2]

The problem I have is with the sincerity part. I still like doing and thinking things that Christians say are sinful. I'm not going to change. I'm not going to repent. And that leads to the hypocrisy problem... I know Christians and Baha'is that do those same behaviors. They say they believe in God. They say they love God, yet... they don't and can't repent and stop doing those sinful behaviors. I've seen it tear at a Christian friends heart. He felt so guilty. But, the worse thing, I think, is when they continue in the behavior and stop feeling guilty.

In the Christian life it is God who is doing the changing of us and it takes a life time and even by then we are still on the journey. All Christians probably go through times of guilt at things they have done or are doing and don't seem to have the power to stop. It is just part of the journey and the idea is to keep on the journey and not lose heart and faith in the work of God in you.
It's easy to point fingers and call people hypocrites, and in reality they may be hypocrites, but that does not mean that God is not still working in them to change even that aspect of their nature.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I think I can see the problems with some of the prophecies that the New Testament writers use from the OT and apply to Jesus. It is hard to see that some of them are prophecies about the Messiah. Nevertheless what Baha'is do with the Bible is different in that they actually deny the Bible when trying to identify Baha'u'llah from it.
The claims of Christianity can legitimately be seen in the OT and in the thinking of Jews in the past. There is nothing about the claims of Baha'i which can legitimately be seen in what the Bible tells us.

Two questions for you to consider.

What is the English meaning of Christ?

What is the English meaning of Baha'u'llah?

I can add another, what is the English translation of Bab?

It is those meanings we then search the Bible for, to see what was in Prophecy.

Regards Tony

 

[CG Didymus]

I would say from the quotes you give that it is Jesus who is the Lamb.

Wrong. It can't be... that would make the Baha'i Faith a false religion. So, from a Baha'i perspective, I get the feeling Revelation is wrong somehow. Funny how Abdul Baha' only interpret a couple of chapters. Have you looked at his book "Some Answered Questions"?

 

[CG Didymus]

Two questions for you to consider.

What is the English meaning of Christ?

What is the English meaning of Baha'u'llah?

I can add another, what is the English translation of Bab?

It is those meanings we then search the Bible for, to see what was in Prophecy.

Regards Tony

And many will come saying I am the "Christ" and he says don't believe them, that it will be obvious. A man taking the title of "The Glory of God" and another man taking the title "The Gate" does not make it obvious. Peace is still not here. Trials and tribulations continue. Either Jesus will come or the world will turn to Baha'u'llah.

 

[Trailblazer]

In the Christian life it is God who is doing the changing of us and it takes a life time

In the Baha'i life it is the we who are doing the changing of ourselves.
That is what free will is for.

 

[Trailblazer]

Not that specifically but those things mentioned are not the gospel of Jesus and anyway the message of Baha'u'llah is that the time for the gospel of Jesus is finished, forget that gospel (which I will sort of make sound wonderful but actually am twisting) and now turn to Baha'u'llah.

No, what we say is that the Dispensation of Christianity is finished, so the gospel message does not apply to this age in history.

Now that is discrediting Jesus and part of the changing of the whole Biblical story to another story.
Anyway Baha'u'llah places himself above Jesus and any other Messenger when it comes to levels of the Messengers.

The whole biblical story is not about Jesus, only the NT is about Jesus. Christians try to appropriate the OT as if it is about Jesus.

Show me where Baha’u’llah ever put Himself above another Messenger of God.

I'm not superman, but will say that I have heard JWs say the same as you, "There must be something special about us if you want to come after us" Really I hope to show you that Baha'u'llah is not the return of Jesus but the problem seems to be that your eyes are closed to the Bible and open only to what Baha'i says about the Bible.

You cannot prove that Baha’u’llah was not the return of Jesus, not anymore than the Baha’is can prove that Baha’u’llah was the return of Jesus. You can play mix and match with the Bible prophecies until the cows come home but you still cannot prove that, nor can we.

What I have seen is the Bible itself which shows that Jesus will never be returning in the same body.

But yes Baha'u'llah is usurping what the New Testament says belongs to Jesus. And even when Jesus name is used personally in the NT in association with those things all you can do is say "That is not about Jesus, it is about Baha'u'llah".

Baha’u’llah did not try to take anything in the New Testament because the NT is about Jesus; but anything related to the return is not about Jesus since Jesus never promised to return.

I'm not worried about the gospel message but I can see that for people who become Baha'is the gospel of Jesus is a closed door in this dispensation of Baha'u'llah.

True, because we only need one message at a time. Otherwise we would get confused about which message is the one to follow.

So now you are saying that Baha'u'llah is the return of Jesus but it does not matter if he does not do the work that the returned Jesus is to do. What's that, a "forget about the return of Jesus and what he was meant to do,,,,,,,,,,,,we have another mission".

Jesus never said He was going to do the work Himself, Jesus said he had many things to say that would guide us unto all truth, and Baha’u’llah said a lot in His 15,000 Tablets.

John 16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Baha'i uses a newspaper article or something to prove to you that the gospel had been preached to all the world by 1844 when it was actually a time when Christianity was setting up missionary societies to take the gospel to places where the gospel had never been heard. Even now there are people who have never heard the gospel.

Like I said, you are not going to prove anything by insisting you know what prophecies mean, because they can be interpreted in different ways; so it is such a waste of time to argue about them. Here is another interpretation, indicating the gospel had been preached to all nations when Paul was alive!

“Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith…” [Romans 16:25-26]

So, according to Paul, the Gospel WAS preached “in the whole world”, “in all creation”, “to all the earth”, “to the ends of the world” and was “made known to all nations.”

Therefore, according to the prophecy given by Jesus, the “end of the age” can now come – and in AD 70 it most certainly did come.

Was The Gospel Preached In All The World? Yes!

Not even once did Baha’u’llah or Abdu’l-Baha even suggest that the prophecies should be used as proof of who Baha’u’llah was and you saw how much the prophecies in the OT helped the Jews recognize Jesus… not at all.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes John 14:3 is Jesus saying that He is coming back to earth.

I am sorry, but I looked and looked on the internet, but I could not find any Christian websites that agree with you....
There is nothing about coming back to earth to get the disciples out of their graves.

Here are a couple of websites that I found:

Geneva Study Bible

{2} And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will {c} come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

(2) Christ did not go away from us with the intent of forsaking us, but rather that he might eventually take us up with him into heaven.

(c) These words are to be understood as being said to the whole Church, and therefore the angels said to the disciples when they were astonished, Why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This Jesus will so come as you saw him go up, Ac 1:11. And in all places of the Scripture the full comfort of the Church is considered to be that day when God will be all in all, and is therefore called the day of redemption.

What did Jesus Mean when He said, “I go now to prepare a place for you”?

To understand what Jesus means when He says, “I go now to prepare a place for you” we must look at the context. In the first half of John 14:2, Jesus says, “In My Father’s House are many mansions.”

Mansions is not the best translation of the word used here. It might be best translated as “dwelling places.” It is not exactly referring to buildings, but to rooms within a building.

Many people hear this, and think, “What? All I’m going to get in heaven is a room? What about the mansion I was promised?” Well… the truth is that Jesus is not promising to pass out mansions. Sorry! Of course, if you were only a follower of Jesus because you wanted to get a mansion, you probably were not following Him for the right reasons.

So okay, what does Jesus mean by “dwelling places?” Well, it is critical to understand first what Jesus means by “My Father’s House.” The Jews to whom Jesus was talking would have understood Him to be talking about the temple in Jerusalem. This is also how Jesus referred to the temple on occasion, as in when He cleansed the temple in John 2:16.

Furthermore, it is important to know that there were many rooms, or “dwelling places” in the Jerusalem temple (cf. 1 Kings 6:5-6; Jeremiah 35:1-4). From this, it seems that when Jesus says, “In My Father’s House are many dwelling places… and I go now to prepare a place for you,” He is saying that He is going to prepare a place for His disciples in the temple.

But why would He do that when He has prophesied that the temple is going to be destroyed? And why would the disciples want a room in the temple precincts? Those rooms were generally reserved for priests and temple servants. The disciples were not priests, and they already had families, jobs, and homes of their own.

Here we get into the New Testament teaching about how we as believers in Christ are the new temple (1 Corinthians 6:19), and how we are the new priesthood (1 Peter 2:9).

Though it would take time for His disciples to understand all this, Jesus was not talking about preparing a place for His followers in the temple on a hill in Jerusalem. No, Jesus was talking about preparing a whole new Temple and a whole new Priesthood. The true Father’s House was about to be revealed to the world, and Jesus was going to prepare it. Jesus was going to reveal it.

How, when, and where did Jesus do that? He did it on the cross, and through His death, burial, and resurrection.

When Jesus said, “I go now to prepare a place for you,” He was not talking about going to heaven so that at some future date He would return and bring us to be with Him. No, when Jesus said, “I go now to prepare a place for you,” He was talking about making a new temple, a new priesthood, and a new way of living as God’s family.

I Go Now to Prepare a Place for You?

 

[Trailblazer]

You use the arguments of atheists and sceptics to attack the credibility of the Bible and then say "We Baha'is believe the Bible" "Jesus is so wonderful and His word will last forever".

Nothing you can say will change the FACT that the disciples did not write the NT. The NT came to us by way of oral tradition, so it is not the exact words of Jesus.

Baha'is believe in the Bible similarly to how a liberal Christian believes the Bible.... We do not interpret everything literally like fundamentalist Christians.

“In previous centuries, almost all Christians believed in miracles as described in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament). These included creation, the story of Adam and Eve, a talking serpent, the great flood of Noah, the drying up of the Red/Reed sea, a prophet riding on a talking ***, the sun stopping in the sky, etc. From the Christian Scriptures (New Testament), they believed in the virgin birth, the Christmas star, angels appearing to the shepherds, Jesus healing the sick, etc. Many, perhaps most, liberal Christians now believe that these stories are not to be interpreted literally as real events. Their faith has not been damaged by losing faith in the reality of these events. A growing number of liberals are now taking the final step by interpreting the stories of Jesus' resurrection and his appearances to his followers and to Paul as other than real events.”

http://www.religioustolerance.org/resur_lt.htm

 

[Samael_Khan]

Have I mentioned I miss you. Have you seen what has become of your thread?

Thanks for letting me know

Umm.... I am socially distancing myself from this thread because i don't want to be infected....

This thread is demonstrating the reason why I said "Jews Only". Many people are say "this is the true meaning of the verse" which is proving the opposite, that verses can be interpreted in many different ways if one wishes it to. So its educational value has decreased.

The bright side through, is that the thread is now on post 900 so I hope that it reaches 1000.

 

[Brian2]

No, what we say is that the Dispensation of Christianity is finished, so the gospel message does not apply to this age in history.

That is what I said.

The whole biblical story is not about Jesus, only the NT is about Jesus. Christians try to appropriate the OT as if it is about Jesus.

Christians in the New Testament have appropriated OT prophecies and said they are about Jesus. Baha'i denies they are about Jesus and says they are about Baha'u'llah.

Show me where Baha’u’llah ever put Himself above another Messenger of God.

That which beseemeth you is the love of God, and the love of Him Who is the Manifestation of His Essence, and the observance of whatsoever He chooseth to prescribe unto you, did ye but know it … – Gleanings from the Writings of Baha’u’llah, pp. 304-305.

Baha'i claims to be the Manifestation of the Father.

Why is it that you say that the essence of God cannot be manifested and here is Baha'u'llah the Manifestation of God's Essence.

You cannot prove that Baha’u’llah was not the return of Jesus, not anymore than the Baha’is can prove that Baha’u’llah was the return of Jesus. You can play mix and match with the Bible prophecies until the cows come home but you still cannot prove that, nor can we.
What I have seen is the Bible itself which shows that Jesus will never be returning in the same body.

I'm not mixing and matching anything. Who is Baha'u'llah? Not the return of Jesus. How do I know? Because he is not the same Jesus and did not come in the same way Jesus left as per Acts 1:9-11. You let Baha'i/Baha'u'llah tell you this does not mean what is written there but to me the whole thing is over. It does not matter about which body, it is still over, but after denying Acts 1:9-11 you think that you can claim other prophecies and that somehow makes a difference.

9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee, they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

did not try to take anything in the New Testament because the NT is about Jesus; but anything related to the return is not about Jesus since Jesus never promised to return.

Don't you remember seeing John 14:3 where Jesus said. "I will come back".

True, because we only need one message at a time. Otherwise we would get confused about which message is the one to follow.

Now we have all the religions of the Baha'i Manifestations of God from all ages proclaiming different messages. That sounds confusing and is. So Baha'u'llah comes along and says, "Yes yes they are all wonderful messages, even though they are rather corrupted, take any parts which seem good and use them but if any parts don't agree with what I say, they are wrong because I'm the Messenger for this age."
Your God is the supreme confuser of the world.

Jesus never said He was going to do the work Himself, Jesus said he had many things to say that would guide us unto all truth, and Baha’u’llah said a lot in His 15,000 Tablets.

Yes it is an understatement to say that he said a lot.
The return of the Messiah also has things to do and Baha'u'llah came and went and did none of them.

John 16:12-13 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

And I have shown you that the Spirit of Truth is the Holy Spirit and is the Advocate and He was to remind Jesus disciples about what Jesus said and that He would come and be with them and in them.
see John 14:16,17 John 14:26, John 15:26.

Like I said, you are not going to prove anything by insisting you know what prophecies mean, because they can be interpreted in different ways; so it is such a waste of time to argue about them. Here is another interpretation, indicating the gospel had been preached to all nations when Paul was alive!

“Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith…” [Romans 16:25-26]

So, according to Paul, the Gospel WAS preached “in the whole world”, “in all creation”, “to all the earth”, “to the ends of the world” and was “made known to all nations.”

Therefore, according to the prophecy given by Jesus, the “end of the age” can now come – and in AD 70 it most certainly did come.

The gospel had not been preached to all nations when Paul wrote that or he would not have kept preaching it. The end of the age did not come in AD 70 as you know.

Not even once did Baha’u’llah or Abdu’l-Baha even suggest that the prophecies should be used as proof of who Baha’u’llah was and you saw how much the prophecies in the OT helped the Jews recognize Jesus… not at all.

The prophecies about Jesus did show to many Jews whom He is. Bible prophecy only shows that Baha'u'llah is not whom he claims unless you deny that parts of the Bible are true.

 

[Brian2]

I am sorry, but I looked and looked on the internet, but I could not find any Christian websites that agree with you....
There is nothing about coming back to earth to get the disciples out of their graves.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

 

[Brian2]

This thread is demonstrating the reason why I said "Jews Only".

If you had made that clear I would not have written anything.

The bright side through, is that the thread is now on post 900 so I hope that it reaches 1000.

It's slowing down but it might make it. You must be very pleased and I'm really happy to have been part of it.

 

[Brian2]

They identify Jesus to YOU, but they identify Baha’u’llah to ME.

Please tell me why it matters who applies which prophecies to who? Do you see any other Christians talking about this?

Just saying that by applying them to Baha'u'llah you are doing the work of Baha'u'llah and denying that the NT is telling the truth.

But you cannot count them as fulfilled until Jesus comes back and fulfilled them. That is like me writing checks on a bank account that has no money in it hoping someone is going to come along and deposit money into my account before the checks bounce.

You should be more concerned because Baha'u'llah lived and died and has not fulfilled them. Maybe those prophecies do not concern you,,,,,,,,,,,after all they are part of the Bible.

No Baha’is are a bit worried. Baha’u’llah came and went and all the prophecies related to the return of Christ and the Messiah have all been fulfilled.

Yet everyone knows that is not true.

As I said in a previous post, Baha’u’llah was not slated by God to fulfill the Messianic prophecies Himself, and no scriptures say that is what would happen.

The Messiah is to fulfil the Messianic prophecies. Who will do that if he does not do it.
But what are you talking about if they have been done anyway? Tell me about it.

You are again misinterpreting the Bible, which is what Christians do. Jesus is not returning to raise the dead and take His disciples with Him because people who have been dead for 2000 years do not rise from the dead. That belief is based upon a gross misinterpretation of the Bible.

Yes I know Baha'i denies the Bible.
John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
…John 5:27 And He has given Him authority to execute judgement, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice 29and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgement.…

I believe that ALL of those verses refer to Baha’u’llah who was the return of the Son of Man.

Even the verses which identify the one coming back as Jesus?
That's could be interpreted as denying the Bible and replacing it with Baha'i doctrine.

 

[CG Didymus]

Thanks for letting me know

Umm.... I am socially distancing myself from this thread because i don't want to be infected....

This thread is demonstrating the reason why I said "Jews Only". Many people are say "this is the true meaning of the verse" which is proving the opposite, that verses can be interpreted in many different ways if one wishes it to. So its educational value has decreased.

The bright side through, is that the thread is now on post 900 so I hope that it reaches 1000.

Yes, I'm showing symptoms, so I'm going to self-quarantine from this thread. I thought a mask would have protected me.

 

[Trailblazer]

Christians in the New Testament have appropriated OT prophecies and said they are about Jesus. Baha'i denies they are about Jesus and says they are about Baha'u'llah.

Baha’u’llah fulfilled the prophecies for the return of Christ and the Coming of the Messiah. That is what we say the prophecies are about Baha’u’llah. The Messianic Age prophecies do not SAY that the Messiah will fulfill them Himself during His lifetime. I have been over this with several Jewish posters.

Trailblazer said: Show me where Baha’u’llah ever put Himself above another Messenger of God.

That which beseemeth you is the love of God, and the love of Him Who is the Manifestation of His Essence, and the observance of whatsoever He chooseth to prescribe unto you, did ye but know it … – Gleanings from the Writings of Baha’u’llah, pp. 304-305.

That is not Baha’u’llah putting Himself above any other Messenger, that is just Him saying that we are to love Him and observe what He has prescribed.

Baha'i claims to be the Manifestation of the Father.

Why is it that you say that the essence of God cannot be manifested and here is Baha'u'llah the Manifestation of God's Essence.

That is a good question. Maybe you should ask another Baha’i like @ adrian009 or @ Tony Bristow-Stagg

I'm not mixing and matching anything. Who is Baha'u'llah? Not the return of Jesus. How do I know? Because he is not the same Jesus and did not come in the same way Jesus left as per Acts 1:9-11. You let Baha'i/Baha'u'llah tell you this does not mean what is written there but to me the whole thing is over. It does not matter about which body, it is still over, but after denying Acts 1:9-11 you think that you can claim other prophecies and that somehow makes a difference.

Acts 1:9-11 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

What is NOT written is that it was the same BODY of Jesus that went up or that will return.

The disciples were staring up into the sky as the spirit of Jesus was taken up to heaven out of their sight. The two men dressed in white (angels) came along and asked why they were staring up into the sky because they wondered why the disciples were staring up into the sky. Then the angels told the disciples that the same spirit of Jesus that was taken up to heaven will return just as it went to heaven, in like manner.

The verse does not say that the disciples saw a body go up. It was the Christ Spirit that ascended, not a body, which is why the angels wondered why the disciples were staring into the sky, since there was nothing to look at. That makes perfect sense since angels can see spirits.

Descending from heaven upon the clouds means that the spirit of Jesus, the Christ Spirit, will be made manifest from the heaven of the will of God and will appear in the form of the human temple. Though delivered from the womb of Mary, Jesus in reality descended from the heaven of the will of God. Baha’u’llah descended in like manner, from the heaven of the will of God.

“But as the clergy have neither understood the meaning of the Gospels nor comprehended the symbols, therefore, it has been said that religion is in contradiction to science, and science in opposition to religion, as, for example, this subject of the ascension of Christ with an elemental body to the visible heaven is contrary to the science of mathematics. But when the truth of this subject becomes clear, and the symbol is explained, science in no way contradicts it; but, on the contrary, science and the intelligence affirm it.” Some Answered Questions, pp. 104-105

Now we have all the religions of the Baha'i Manifestations of God from all ages proclaiming different messages. That sounds confusing and is. So Baha'u'llah comes along and says, "Yes yes they are all wonderful messages, even though they are rather corrupted, take any parts which seem good and use them but if any parts don't agree with what I say, they are wrong because I'm the Messenger for this age."
Your God is the supreme confuser of the world.

No, that is NOT what Baha’u’llah said. He said to disregard the older messages because they have been corrupted and turn to the Manifestation of God for this age.

“This is the Day when the loved ones of God should keep their eyes directed towards His Manifestation, and fasten them upon whatsoever that Manifestation may be pleased to reveal. Certain traditions of bygone ages rest on no foundations whatever, while the notions entertained by past generations, and which they have recorded in their books, have, for the most part, been influenced by the desires of a corrupt inclination.” Gleanings, p. 171

Yes it is an understatement to say that he said a lot.
The return of the Messiah also has things to do and Baha'u'llah came and went and did none of them.

Show me ONE verse where it says that the Messiah will do these things Himself.

And I have shown you that the Spirit of Truth is the Holy Spirit and is the Advocate and He was to remind Jesus disciples about what Jesus said and that He would come and be with them and in them.
see John 14:16,17 John 14:26, John 15:26.

All you have shown me is your interpretation of the verses. I refuse to beat that dead horse again.

“Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith…” [Romans 16:25-26]
The gospel had not been preached to all nations when Paul wrote that or he would not have kept preaching it. The end of the age did not come in AD 70 as you know.

Oops, I guess the NT contains some errors. How then can we trust other verses Paul wrote to be accurate, verses such as Acts 1:9-11?

The prophecies about Jesus did show to many Jews whom He is. Bible prophecy only shows that Baha'u'llah is not whom he claims unless you deny that parts of the Bible are true.

Bible prophecy shows that Baha'u'llah is who He claims to be. Nothing has to be denied except YOUR interpretation of verses. How many years do we have to keep covering the same ground?

 

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Now we have all the religions of the Baha'i Manifestations of God from all ages proclaiming different messages. That sounds confusing and is. So Baha'u'llah comes along and says, "Yes yes they are all wonderful messages, even though they are rather corrupted, take any parts which seem good and use them but if any parts don't agree with what I say, they are wrong because I'm the Messenger for this age."
Your God is the supreme confuser of the world.

Exactly... With Krishna they'll say he cannot be an incarnation. And he cannot have taught reincarnation. Buddha they'll say taught about the one God. But it's all just to get beyond all those other religions and get to what they believe is the most important, their guy is the messenger for today. You ask, "Prove it." And, as you see, you get no where. There's is not one thing you can say that they won't turn around and throw right back at you. Is this the way of God?

Still, they have given no reason why the 2300 days from Daniel was calculated from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. So, potentially, a false fulfillment of a prophecy. "He" or "They" in Micah" No answer. And on and on. The Baha'is Faith is great... It's wonderful... if you believe it and don't ask to many questions that go too deep. Oh, and the "Lamb"... I did a search and found nothing about what who the Baha'is say the Lamb is. So with nothing "official", it is just the opinions of Baha'is. So why wouldn't Baha'u'llah have claimed to be The Lamb? He claims everything else.

If you had made that clear I would not have written anything.

It was limited for a time to only Jews. Then got opened up to all.