StripperClown
Member
I think that Satan is often misunderstood. He seemed to just be questioning things. It's good to challenge authority, and make people question what's going on. I
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
G-d and the Devil
- Thread starter michel
- Start date
Job 1: 6-7, 'Now there was a day when the Son's of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said to Satan. Whence cometh thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said. From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. So much for Satan not being allowed to enter into the presence of the Lord and the company of angels.
Isnt Satan the spiritual head and compilation of the earthly body that stands before God night and day accussing his brothers?
Last edited:
If you wonder why I would ask such a question, it is because of this:
[SIZE=+1]In the end, Christ will return and subjugate all who won't submit to God's authority, including Satan and his angels. Their punishment will be age-lasting destruction and refinement within the lake of fire.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]From that source you gave me. Sounds scary[/SIZE]
The first death is that of the body, the second death is that of the spirit or the mind that had developed in the body. Over those who have acheived the perfection required, and it is not a state of righteous piousness, and are allowed to enter the eighth eternal light cycle of life, the second death has no power. But those who are rejected are cast back into the refining fires of life in the eternal oscillating physical universe, which is a living cell in the constant eternal Cosmos.
Each spirit begins in a body to which their previous life has determined, from microbe to man. After ascending up through the many life forms that lead to man, many of those minds will have been wiped clean from the eternal soul of which all life in the Cosmos are partakers, as it is the only life, being the divine animating principle that pervades and activates all that is, while others will begin their life, being re-incarnated or resurrected as mankind with varying degrees of inner remembrance. Among these are those like Paul who were chosen before this the seventh world began.
They will be among those of the first resurrection who will take the thrones that have been prepared for them before this world began, and they will rule for a thousand years which is the day of the Lord, the Sabbath or seventh period of one thousand years from the day in which Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died on that day at the age of 930. and after the Sabbath is finished and Satan is released from his thousand year imprisonment and gathers to himself another physical body, it is then that the fire will descend from heaven and incinerate all physical life on earth. But at the sound of the last trumpet, those who were of the first resurrection over whom death has no power, will be translated in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corriptible matter into bodies of glorious and incorruptible light and will be caught up to their godhead and compilation, Jesus christ, who was the first of all mankind to have been redeemed from this world and placed in the heavenly throne of our saviour who rose Jesus from death and is able to raise us also. Then when earth is once again capable of sustaining physical life forms, it is Jesus who will say,"Let us make man in our image and likeness."
Last edited:
crystalonyx
Well-Known Member
Please define "god" and "devil", these are nonspecific terms.
Quote..... crystalonyx
Please define "god" and "devil", these are nonspecific terms.
__________________
freethinker - deluxe
"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies."
Thomas Jefferson
freethinker – deluxe
All that is, oscillates between a state of visible matter and invisible energy: fact.
The Big bang was not “The Beginning,” but simply the beginning of this universal body that originated from the singularity that was already within the Black Hole. Fact
All within this universe was once condensed into an infinitely dense, hot and infinitesimally small singularity, which is called the primordial Atom that was contained within a seemingly bottomless pit of darkness: proven fact. Although we are still waiting for our scientific community to find out IF all that came out of the Black Hole can be compressed back into it and if so, then how?
This is a living universal body in which there has developed an intellect capable of comprehending the mind that is he: An undeniable fact.
Unless it can be proved otherwise, mankind is the most recent species to have developed in our known visible world, and he has gained dominion over all creatures on the visible plane that preceded him, and is the most high in the creation, ‘whether divinely created or evolved,’ and is therefore the godhead that has developed in this visible material living universal body and is the prototype of the most high in the energy state, and He is the spirit that develops within the body of mankind, and is the light of Man.
There are many (with whom I agree) who will say that only the naive would believe that within this boundless and eternal Cosmos, mankind is the only intellectual species to have evolved, but knowing the chances of any system being able to begin the process of evolution, and of those which are capable, how many of them were able to sustain that process for 4.5 billion years without some catastrophic cosmic event bringing it to a close before an intellectual species was able to develop within that system: my question to them is, which of those intellectual species that they, ‘by faith,’ believe are out there somewhere in the vastness of interstellar space, who have been unable to make any contact with us, is the first intellectual being born of the creation?
It is my contention that mankind the lord of creatures is the most high in the visible material universe, and that it is the spirit born of the body of man, (The Son of Man) who is Lord of spirits in the energy state to which this visible universal body, which is but one cell in the eternal boundless and constant Cosmos, will one day return. For within the constant Cosmic body, both dimensions co-exist, some universal bodies at rest in their black holes, gathering the expended energy of other universal bodies which themselves will enter their state of rest while those at rest awake to shine once more within the eternal and constant body of the Logos God who is the divine animating principle that pervades all that is.
The Milky Way galaxy is anchored in space by a super massive Black Hole which has a mass of over three million suns, and it’s situated at the centre of our galaxy. It is now believed by the greater majority of scientists, that every galaxy has a Black Hole at its centre. The Milky Way galaxy was once a massive first generation star that was unable to withstand the great gravitational force of its own mass. Burning off the last of its heavier elements, it blazed out as a brilliant supernova, exploding off a percentage of its mass before collapsing in upon itself and being crushed by its own gravitational force to that which is beyond a neutron star.
It is the mass within the Black Hole that holds in orbit our Galaxy which was formed from the nebula and other heavenly bodies that are gathered to the central hidden mass. All the diffused mass of interstellar dust and gas, rotating around the black hole, cooling and condensing into solar systems suns and planets. Orbiting our galaxy are the two companion galaxies which are called, the Large Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Major) and the Small Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Minor), these, as with other previous heavenly bodies will one day merge to become one with our Milky Way Galaxy, which is but one of a huge company or cluster of galaxies (Universes) which are falling in toward one of the many super, super massive gatherers that are out there in the boundless cosmos. Are you sure that the universe is continuing to expand outward from the Big Bang? If the Milky way Galaxy is moving away from the point of the Big Bang from which it originated, and the galaxy ‘Andromeda’ is expanding outward from the point of the Big Bang of its origin, how come that big and beautiful multi celled body is heading straight at us on a collision course. Do you know something? I believe that our God has already begun to call all creation back to the singularity that is He in the invisible dimention, from where he will create for us a new multi celled body to live in. As to your question, "Define for me, 'God' and the "Devil'? they are but the negative and positive qualities which have developed in the Logos who is the immanent divine principle of the constant boundless and eternal Cosmic body and the compilation of all, for he is ONE.
But then, I’m only one of those religious blokes whose beliefs are founded upon fables and mythologies.
Please define "god" and "devil", these are nonspecific terms.
__________________
freethinker - deluxe
"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies."
Thomas Jefferson
freethinker – deluxe
All that is, oscillates between a state of visible matter and invisible energy: fact.
The Big bang was not “The Beginning,” but simply the beginning of this universal body that originated from the singularity that was already within the Black Hole. Fact
All within this universe was once condensed into an infinitely dense, hot and infinitesimally small singularity, which is called the primordial Atom that was contained within a seemingly bottomless pit of darkness: proven fact. Although we are still waiting for our scientific community to find out IF all that came out of the Black Hole can be compressed back into it and if so, then how?
This is a living universal body in which there has developed an intellect capable of comprehending the mind that is he: An undeniable fact.
Unless it can be proved otherwise, mankind is the most recent species to have developed in our known visible world, and he has gained dominion over all creatures on the visible plane that preceded him, and is the most high in the creation, ‘whether divinely created or evolved,’ and is therefore the godhead that has developed in this visible material living universal body and is the prototype of the most high in the energy state, and He is the spirit that develops within the body of mankind, and is the light of Man.
There are many (with whom I agree) who will say that only the naive would believe that within this boundless and eternal Cosmos, mankind is the only intellectual species to have evolved, but knowing the chances of any system being able to begin the process of evolution, and of those which are capable, how many of them were able to sustain that process for 4.5 billion years without some catastrophic cosmic event bringing it to a close before an intellectual species was able to develop within that system: my question to them is, which of those intellectual species that they, ‘by faith,’ believe are out there somewhere in the vastness of interstellar space, who have been unable to make any contact with us, is the first intellectual being born of the creation?
It is my contention that mankind the lord of creatures is the most high in the visible material universe, and that it is the spirit born of the body of man, (The Son of Man) who is Lord of spirits in the energy state to which this visible universal body, which is but one cell in the eternal boundless and constant Cosmos, will one day return. For within the constant Cosmic body, both dimensions co-exist, some universal bodies at rest in their black holes, gathering the expended energy of other universal bodies which themselves will enter their state of rest while those at rest awake to shine once more within the eternal and constant body of the Logos God who is the divine animating principle that pervades all that is.
The Milky Way galaxy is anchored in space by a super massive Black Hole which has a mass of over three million suns, and it’s situated at the centre of our galaxy. It is now believed by the greater majority of scientists, that every galaxy has a Black Hole at its centre. The Milky Way galaxy was once a massive first generation star that was unable to withstand the great gravitational force of its own mass. Burning off the last of its heavier elements, it blazed out as a brilliant supernova, exploding off a percentage of its mass before collapsing in upon itself and being crushed by its own gravitational force to that which is beyond a neutron star.
It is the mass within the Black Hole that holds in orbit our Galaxy which was formed from the nebula and other heavenly bodies that are gathered to the central hidden mass. All the diffused mass of interstellar dust and gas, rotating around the black hole, cooling and condensing into solar systems suns and planets. Orbiting our galaxy are the two companion galaxies which are called, the Large Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Major) and the Small Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Minor), these, as with other previous heavenly bodies will one day merge to become one with our Milky Way Galaxy, which is but one of a huge company or cluster of galaxies (Universes) which are falling in toward one of the many super, super massive gatherers that are out there in the boundless cosmos. Are you sure that the universe is continuing to expand outward from the Big Bang? If the Milky way Galaxy is moving away from the point of the Big Bang from which it originated, and the galaxy ‘Andromeda’ is expanding outward from the point of the Big Bang of its origin, how come that big and beautiful multi celled body is heading straight at us on a collision course. Do you know something? I believe that our God has already begun to call all creation back to the singularity that is He in the invisible dimention, from where he will create for us a new multi celled body to live in. As to your question, "Define for me, 'God' and the "Devil'? they are but the negative and positive qualities which have developed in the Logos who is the immanent divine principle of the constant boundless and eternal Cosmic body and the compilation of all, for he is ONE.
But then, I’m only one of those religious blokes whose beliefs are founded upon fables and mythologies.
Last edited:
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend michel,
This is surely a realisation for you.
Where did god come from?
From the human mind.
what is the mind?
That which creates the divide between man and that WHOLE or god and this mind is the satan itself.
Mind itself has create the duality of both god and satan.
If you remember the magnet analogy that had posted a few times - a magnet has two poles and the are not opposite as such but are just on the opposite poles and how many time you cut the magnet to get just one pole, you end up with both the poles many times over.
Likewise GOD and SATAN are always together. If you think of god; satan will be created by default. The same reason Buddha never talked of any god or satan as finally even one has to surrender that attachment with god and so he says *If you meet the buddha on the way; kill him*
Love & rgds
This is surely a realisation for you.
Where did god come from?
From the human mind.
what is the mind?
That which creates the divide between man and that WHOLE or god and this mind is the satan itself.
Mind itself has create the duality of both god and satan.
If you remember the magnet analogy that had posted a few times - a magnet has two poles and the are not opposite as such but are just on the opposite poles and how many time you cut the magnet to get just one pole, you end up with both the poles many times over.
Likewise GOD and SATAN are always together. If you think of god; satan will be created by default. The same reason Buddha never talked of any god or satan as finally even one has to surrender that attachment with god and so he says *If you meet the buddha on the way; kill him*
Love & rgds
gnostic
The Lost One
Ori said:
Actually if you think about God sometimes attached great importance on fame and wealth.
Abraham may have been a Bronze Age nomad and shepherd, but he was considered rich, and God made Jacob more wealthy than his father-in-law, despite being a servant. And with Solomon, much of the fable wealth could be contribute as much with God's doing than simply Solomon's wisdom.
And then there's Job. Despite taking all the wealth away from his favorite in order to test Job's faith and make him suffer, he made Job several times richer than before.
No, God has considered wealth and prestige just as important to him as the Devil.
michel said:
I don't believe in the Devil or Satan, but judging from what's written about God in the Bible, I would considered Satan either as agent of God (from Job), or that Satan is really God in incognito. With the 2nd proposition, God/Satan is simply two sides of the same coin.
But if you really believe that Satan is a separate entity from God, and he is personification of evil, just as god is the personification of good, then Abrahamic religion like Judaism, Christianity or Islam, cannot be considered to be a monotheistic religion, because there's actually 2 gods, not one.