Gandhi:- Ahimsa, Civil Disobedience and the Alternative West

[Kirran]

We? I most likely am wrong, but you? No way. All hail Kirran!

Hey! I have a long and proud history of being wrong on things and changing my views!

 

[Valjean]

I read a little about it. Ghandi came from a rich family that hated the British. So he grew up hating the British and used his natural gift of weakness against them, it was his only defense, or offense. But why was he successful? Because it gave the New World Order, aka Vatican and it's choir something to sing on the public stage, which made the British look bad, who eventually got sick of the guilt trip songs and threw in the towel. Opening the door for exploitation of India by others. And Monsato ruining their lands with GM crops and chemical fertilizers.

Where on Earth did you read this? Gandhi was a Christlike figure, dedicated to truth, justice and kindness to all.
Gandhi hated no-one, not even his fiercest opponents. He insisted on absolute non-violence. His followers would stand and let themselves be clubbed to death rather than raise a hand to defend themselves. If there was any violence he would "fast unto death" till the violence ceased.

His non-violent methods were later adopted by his American disciple, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

[Vinayaka]

Gandhi was only 'successful' (at gaining independence) because unlike what some others figured, the British actually did have a conscience, albeit rather hidden.

 

[Kemosloby]

Where on Earth did you read this? Gandhi was a Christlike figure, dedicated to truth, justice and kindness to all.
Gandhi hated no-one, not even his fiercest opponents. He insisted on absolute non-violence. His followers would stand and let themselves be clubbed to death rather than raise a hand to defend themselves. If there was any violence he would "fast unto death" till the violence ceased.

His non-violent methods were later adopted by his American disciple, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Jesus did the will of God the Father. Ghandi did the will of the so called "Holy Father" in Rome. Not Christlike at all if you're not serving God the Father or Jesus.

 

[Valjean]

Gandhi was not a Catholic, he didn't even like Christianity (though he did like Christ).
Where are you getting this Rome connection?

 

[metis]

Hey! I have a long and proud history of being wrong on things and changing my views!

Hey, I've won awards for being wrong!

 

[metis]

Gandhi was only 'successful' (at gaining independence) because unlike what some others figured, the British actually did have a conscience, albeit rather hidden.

And Gandhi recognized that and often praised the Brits, hoping to separate from them as friends. He also admitted that doing what he did against the NAZI's would have been much tougher, and he added that why is it so many are willing to die by defending themselves by using guns and yet reluctant to be willing to die by using non-violence?

 

[metis]

Gandhi was not a Catholic, he didn't even like Christianity (though he did like Christ).

That's not entirely correct as he worked with many that were involved in church settings, including clergy. However, where you may have gotten the above from was his experience with so many Protestant fundamentalists/evangelicals who believed they were "saved" but acted all too contrary to what Jesus actually taught. On top of that, this same element showed disdain towards any other religion or even different Christian denominations, which he believed was quite unChrist-like.

BTW, the closest "Catholic connection" I ran across with Gandhi is when he visited a Catholic church (in Paris, if my memory is correct) whereas he said that the peace and solitude was so comforting as compared to the hustle & bustle outside.

 

[metis]

Not Christlike at all if you're not serving God the Father or Jesus.

Actually, I tend to think that Gandhi believed more in Jesus than many self-processed Christians. According to Gandhi, many of the latter seem to believe about Jesus but pretty much ignore much of Jesus' message (see Matthew 25).

 

[Vinayaka]

And Gandhi recognized that and often praised the Brits, hoping to separate from them as friends. He also admitted that doing what he did against the NAZI's would have been much tougher, and he added that why is it so many are willing to die by defending themselves by using guns and yet reluctant to be willing to die by using non-violence?

Know thy enemy.

 

[metis]

Know thy enemy.

Yep, and that he did, although he didn't like the word "enemy" in regards to labeling people/groups. He felt that enemy #1 was our own desires/obsessions, and he often talked about the tyrant inside of him.

Even though he usually comes off as being quite ideological, he actually did mix it with heavy doses of pragmatism. However, there were lines he refused to cross come hell or high water.

 

[Kemosloby]

Actually, I tend to think that Gandhi believed more in Jesus than many self-processed Christians. According to Gandhi, many of the latter seem to believe about Jesus but pretty much ignore much of Jesus' message (see Matthew 25).

No, Ghandi never set his foot in the door, proclaiming Jesus as the Son of God. And Ghandi did the opposite of what Jesus preached. Since Ghandi's fight was of this world, merely wanting to rid India of the British, and perhaps all authority it seems. A lawless one, hater of authority, though he fought in the style of the meek. Plus whatever secret arrangements he may have had or not had, we don't know.

 

[metis]

No, Ghandi never set his foot in the door, proclaiming Jesus as the Son of God. And Ghandi did the opposite of what Jesus preached. Since Ghandi's fight was of this world, merely wanting to rid India of the British, and perhaps all authority it seems. A lawless one, hater of authority, though he fought in the style of the meek. Plus whatever secret arrangements he may have had or not had, we don't know.

The above is nothing short of being complete rubbish.

Here: Mahatma Gandhi - Wikipedia

 

[Kemosloby]

The above is nothing short of being complete rubbish.

Here: Mahatma Gandhi - Wikipedia

The British reaction to Ghandi. Well if you're gonna be big crybabies we'll just leave.

 

[Vinayaka]

Who is this Ghandi fellow?

 

[Valjean]

That's not entirely correct as he worked with many that were involved in church settings, including clergy. However, where you may have gotten the above from was his experience with so many Protestant fundamentalists/evangelicals who believed they were "saved" but acted all too contrary to what Jesus actually taught. On top of that, this same element showed disdain towards any other religion or even different Christian denominations, which he believed was quite unChrist-like.

BTW, the closest "Catholic connection" I ran across with Gandhi is when he visited a Catholic church (in Paris, if my memory is correct) whereas he said that the peace and solitude was so comforting as compared to the hustle & bustle outside.

I was referring to this well known quotation:
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

 

[metis]

I was referring to this well known quotation:
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

Yes, I'm quite familiar with it, but Gandhi was using hyperbole with this as he had a great many Christian followers, including members in his ashram.