Gas prices jump to over $4.00 a gallon. Praise Allah.

[Shadow Wolf]

Is Valero American?

It's refineries and such are in the Americas.

 

[dianaiad]

Just as there are those who need government assistance with food or housing,
there are some who already need assistance with transportation. With higher
fuel prices, perhaps some government program could help people cope, eg,
carpooling assistance, transportation subsidy.
But we would all greatly benefit if we moved away from burning fossil fuels.
And higher taxes resulting in higher prices is a market solution, which beats
government controlling rationing. Even without that, as reserves are used,
extraction cost increases, & so will fuel costs.

OK, let us agree that we would be better off getting away from fossil fuels. This is true.

What I am resenting...and resenting highly...is this attitude of 'everybody should be just like us,' that is, the 'green' folks who live in areas where they can take advantage of all the suggestions you were throwing out.

Most of us, and I do mean MOST of us, simply don't have access to public transportation, and no amount of 'government subsidies' will allow us to get access to public transportation if there isn't any.

...and here's the problem with buses and trains in places where people are spread out; it costs more to run public transportation than it's worth, and uses more fuel than the cars do. No amount of government subsidies will handle trains and/or buses where passengers don't use them...and passengers won't use them because they don't go where people need to go, at times where people need to be wherever.

So you go throw out impractical suggestions, and imply that it is the fault of those who don't have access to trains or buses or whatever because they don't USE them.

NYC folks have buses, and subways, and they live within mere blocks, usually, of their work places and shopping. Very few of the rest of us do.

You claim that europeans manage with really high gas prices. Well, Europe has an average population density of 143 people per square mile. I lived in England for a year and a half, and didn't have a car OR a bike; worked fine. Buses all over the place. Trains all over the place. I walked a lot, but everything was within close proximity to my flat. I didn't miss a car at all.

However, the average population density of the USA is 92 people per square mile, and that includes the east and west coasts, where the population density rises to nearly 1000 people per square mile. MOST Americans, believe it or not, do not live cheek by jowl.

So how about some suggestions that might actually work for the majority of Americans who honestly can't DO the 'mass transit' thing, or the 'bus' thing, or the 'walk to work' thing?

Something that might actually work?

Believe me, I'll listen.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

OK, let us agree that we would be better off getting away from fossil fuels. This is true.

What I am resenting...and resenting highly...is this attitude of 'everybody should be just like us,' that is, the 'green' folks who live in areas where they can take advantage of all the suggestions you were throwing out.

Most of us, and I do mean MOST of us, simply don't have access to public transportation, and no amount of 'government subsidies' will allow us to get access to public transportation if there isn't any.

...and here's the problem with buses and trains in places where people are spread out; it costs more to run public transportation than it's worth, and uses more fuel than the cars do. No amount of government subsidies will handle trains and/or buses where passengers don't use them...and passengers won't use them because they don't go where people need to go, at times where people need to be wherever.

So you go throw out impractical suggestions, and imply that it is the fault of those who don't have access to trains or buses or whatever because they don't USE them.

NYC folks have buses, and subways, and they live within mere blocks, usually, of their work places and shopping. Very few of the rest of us do.

You claim that europeans manage with really high gas prices. Well, Europe has an average population density of 143 people per square mile. I lived in England for a year and a half, and didn't have a car OR a bike; worked fine. Buses all over the place. Trains all over the place. I walked a lot, but everything was within close proximity to my flat. I didn't miss a car at all.

However, the average population density of the USA is 92 people per square mile, and that includes the east and west coasts, where the population density rises to nearly 1000 people per square mile. MOST Americans, believe it or not, do not live cheek by jowl.

So how about some suggestions that might actually work for the majority of Americans who honestly can't DO the 'mass transit' thing, or the 'bus' thing, or the 'walk to work' thing?

Something that might actually work?

Believe me, I'll listen.

Yup. Here it's easy to get around without. Rural America not so much.

 

[sooda]

OPEC produces 3/4ths of the world's oil. today only nine percent of the U.S. oil supply comes from the region. At no point in history did that figure surpass 15 percent.

The Arabs have a stranglehold on the oil industry, and with that power, they are free to keep it a seller's market as opposed to a buyer's market, by controlling production.

We are in a bad position.

They are better at it than we are.

Every pipeline is monitored in real time from a central location tracking flow and pressure.

They can drill at a location 250 miles away in real time.. including horizontal drilling.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They are better at it than we are.

Every pipeline is monitored in real time from a central location tracking flow and pressure.

They can drill at a location 250 miles away in real time.. including horizontal drilling.

But that would require commy socialist regulations that are un-Patriotic, anti-American, and it would be so expensive and kill so many jobs.

 

[sooda]

But that would require commy socialist regulations that are un-Patriotic, anti-American, and it would be so expensive and kill so many jobs.

Most US oil wells produce less than 50 barrels a day..

This Jaw-Dropping Slide Shows Why Saudi Arabia Makes So Much Money on Oil
Schlumberger Limited points out just how much harder it is for U.S. oil companies to keep up with Saudi Arabia.

This Jaw-Dropping Slide Shows Why Saudi Arabia Makes So Much Money on Oil -- The Motley Fool

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I judge the Russians & especially the Chinese to be far worse.

Me too.
To be honest, I wouldn't normally bother making the point, but there are some people in this thread who seem a little too parochial.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

OPEC produces 3/4ths of the world's oil. today only nine percent of the U.S. oil supply comes from the region. At no point in history did that figure surpass 15 percent.

The Arabs have a stranglehold on the oil industry, and with that power, they are free to keep it a seller's market as opposed to a buyer's market, by controlling production.

We are in a bad position.

This website is useful...it lets you compare countries in whatever currency you like

Link is set to Australia (my country) but just delete Australia and enter some other country, and hey presto.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Point is, your predictions of doom for the US based on rising prices seems overstated. It paints a fair picture, I think. Gas in the US isn't as cheap as some places, in real terms, but it's still quite affordable.

 

[sooda]

This website is useful...it lets you compare countries in whatever currency you like

Link is set to Australia (my country) but just delete Australia and enter some other country, and hey presto.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Point is, your predictions of doom for the US based on rising prices seems overstated.

When the ppb goes low it hurts US producers first.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Point is, your predictions of doom for the US based on rising prices seems overstated. It paints a fair picture, I think. Gas in the US isn't as cheap as some places, in real terms, but it's still quite affordable.

Running the air conditioner in my car cuts into my daily profits FAR more than the increase in gas price.

 

[oldbadger]

Why is it so high in Europe?

....I don't know, but it's always been more expensive than in the States, I think. Maybe it's because a long trip to us is 100 miles?

I often heard of how Americans might travel 40 miles to go to their local shops. Here the average might be 5 miles or less.

When I was a kid a gallon of gas cost 3/-, that's 15pence today. Sometimes I feel so friggin' old.

 

[oldbadger]

Unfortunately, Republicans don't totally rule our nation. We've lacked a filibuster proof Senate majority in order to overcome the obstructionists filibustering socialist Democrats. Also, we now have lost control of the House where there is nothing getting done there now other than the investigations of Trump's finances.

Maybe a majority don't really believe in the Republicans? Otherwise you'd be home and dry?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I often heard of how Americans might travel 40 miles to go to their local shops.

It can happen. I used to have to go half of that round trip for stores, and often 50 miles one way for medical services.

 

[oldbadger]

No, its worse than that. Its global socialism.

Oil sold at below the dictated price by the industry is illegal.

Global Socialism?
Do you mean that the rich Oil producers, the rich Shippers, the rich Refinery bosses, the Rich Distributors and the rich Retailers, these are all Global Socialists?

 

[oldbadger]

It can happen. I used to have to go half of that round trip for stores, and often 50 miles one way for medical services.

Your place is big.
Our whole UK could be counted as about 4 States, I guess, and even then those divisions would be tiny when compared with US States, for size.

I guess that is why we can be taxed more for our fuel. The cost price might be similar to yours, but after taxes....... !!

 

[kiwimac]

Quatar, Saudi, and Brunei need more money to suppress their people and build man-made islands in the shape of palm trees.

Please don't complain about giving the Islamists billions of dollars, for it is the will of Allah.

Alluah ackbar!

L.A. Gas Prices Hit Average of $4 Per Gallon After Rising 24 Cents in 1 Week: AAA

1: Prove that these things are related.
2: Show that it is not related to international currency rates.
3: Remember that the US pays among the least for petrol and diesel.
4: As an example, I currently pay $9.20 per gallon.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Your place is big.

That was Indiana, which isn't remarkable as far as it's size though. I'm doing less driving to stores now, but I'm in California which is a massive state (the part of it I'm in is about twice the length of Indiana and about as wide).

 

[oldbadger]

That was Indiana, which isn't remarkable as far as it's size though. I'm doing less driving to stores now, but I'm in California which is a massive state (the part of it I'm in is about twice the length of Indiana and about as wide).

Big!
I retired in Dec 2009 and the last time I went to London was in Feb 2010 for my last Court witness attendance. London is 55 miles away! The furthest we have ever travelled since then has been to Gravesend, once a year, to visit my wife's relatives. Gravesend is 35 miles away.

Our little car is insured for up to 5000 miles per annum, which means that our average travel per week is less than 100 miles...... and we never go that far!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Our little car is insured for up to 5000 miles per annum, which means that our average travel per week is less than 100 miles...... and we never go that far!

I've had several jobs where I would drive more than that in a day. And I've never drove trucks or any other commercial driving.

 

[Cooky]

1: Prove that these things are related.
2: Show that it is not related to international currency rates.
3: Remember that the US pays among the least for petrol and diesel.
4: As an example, I currently pay $9.20 per gallon.

$9.20 per gallon..? Are you being overtaxed? Petrol is not worth that much money, and you are ten times closer to the source, being I live in California...

...Someone is ripping you off big time.