Gas prices jump to over $4.00 a gallon. Praise Allah.

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Your place is big.
Our whole UK could be counted as about 4 States, I guess, and even then those divisions would be tiny when compared with US States, for size.

I guess that is why we can be taxed more for our fuel. The cost price might be similar to yours, but after taxes....... !!

That’s a really, really, really big tax.

 

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Me too.
To be honest, I wouldn't normally bother making the point, but there are some people in this thread who seem a little too parochial.

I just want the government to stay out of my life as much as possible if they’re not going to help the middle class.

If the gov. Helps the middle class, for once, that would be something.

 

[sooda]

I just want the government to stay out of my life as much as possible if they’re not going to help the middle class.

If the gov. Helps the middle class, for once, that would be something.

How does that apply to the price of gasoline?

 

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NYC folks have buses, and subways, and they live within mere blocks, usually, of their work places and shopping. Very few of the rest of us do
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That’s right, and they built their city vertically, not horizontally... Elevators are their cars.

...But when work is over, it’s a whole lot of people on the ground.

 

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How does that apply to the price of gasoline?

It doesn’t. It applies to being parochial. But I would like to be self sufficient with Canada, and then put tariffs on OPEC oil.

...that would be the government helping the middle class.

 

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it doesn’t sound like the U.K. government looks out for it’s middle class that much either. But I could be wrong.

 

[Revoltingest]

OK, let us agree that we would be better off getting away from fossil fuels. This is true.

What I am resenting...and resenting highly...is this attitude of 'everybody should be just like us,' that is, the 'green' folks who live in areas where they can take advantage of all the suggestions you were throwing out.

Most of us, and I do mean MOST of us, simply don't have access to public transportation, and no amount of 'government subsidies' will allow us to get access to public transportation if there isn't any.

...and here's the problem with buses and trains in places where people are spread out; it costs more to run public transportation than it's worth, and uses more fuel than the cars do. No amount of government subsidies will handle trains and/or buses where passengers don't use them...and passengers won't use them because they don't go where people need to go, at times where people need to be wherever.

So you go throw out impractical suggestions, and imply that it is the fault of those who don't have access to trains or buses or whatever because they don't USE them.

NYC folks have buses, and subways, and they live within mere blocks, usually, of their work places and shopping. Very few of the rest of us do.

You claim that europeans manage with really high gas prices. Well, Europe has an average population density of 143 people per square mile. I lived in England for a year and a half, and didn't have a car OR a bike; worked fine. Buses all over the place. Trains all over the place. I walked a lot, but everything was within close proximity to my flat. I didn't miss a car at all.

However, the average population density of the USA is 92 people per square mile, and that includes the east and west coasts, where the population density rises to nearly 1000 people per square mile. MOST Americans, believe it or not, do not live cheek by jowl.

So how about some suggestions that might actually work for the majority of Americans who honestly can't DO the 'mass transit' thing, or the 'bus' thing, or the 'walk to work' thing?

Something that might actually work?

Believe me, I'll listen.

I don't expect anyone to be like me.
(It wouldn't be reasonable to expect such virtue,
creativity, & dedication to green living as I have.)
But I would expect that people would address the
changing economics of driving each in one's own way.

 

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I don't expect anyone to be like me.
(It wouldn't be reasonable to expect such virtue,
creativity, & dedication to green living as I do.)
But I would expect that people would address the
changing economics of driving each in one's own way.

Mr. Greenthumb.

 

[sooda]

It doesn’t. It applies to being parochial. But I would like to be self sufficient with Canada, and then put tariffs on OPEC oil.

...that would be the government helping the middle class.

You sure don't know anything about the oil business.

 

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You sure don't know anything about the oil business.

Thanks, I know.

I had a lot of fun yesterday though.

 

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But hey, they said Trump was a fool when he wanted to bring manufacturing back to the U.S.

...They said the global economy would crash. All "doom and gloom"... Now unemployment is at at a 40 to 50 year low.

 

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It's all about making America great again.

I want to be self sufficient in every way... Manufacturing, food, gas, everything. America the Great.

 

[Revoltingest]

Mr. Greenthumb.

I'm actually a poor gardener.
My plants have a high death rate, especially with evergreens.
They need some attention, but I am lazy.
(My evergreens should post on RF if they want to see more of me, eh.)

 

[Shad]

LOLOL.. KSA doesn't give oil wells to anyone. 86% of oil revenues go to the Saudis people in the form of healthcare, education, desalination facilities and other infrastructure.

I was talking about ownership. If KSA was socialist the ownership wouldn't be in the Saud's hands. Heck there wouldn't even be a monarchy.

 

[Shad]

Price is dictated by supply and market demand.

I don't expect you to know anything about the Saudis or the oil business or OPEC. The purpose of OPEC was to keep supply and price steady which they have done unless there was geopolitical interference like invading Iraq or civil war in Libya.

Saudi ARAMCO owns the oil business and it is the biggest and most well integrated oil company in the world. Further, they have a hell of a good safety record dating back to the 1940s.

73 oil embargo.

 

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Jerry wept. Remember this - the 1978 Egyptian tour and concerts, when they played all night under the pyramids and The Music Never Stopped? :

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Back cover of the Dead's Blues For Allah album :

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But things have changed over there since Jerry's visits.

The first picture is 1970's Afghanistan. The second is recent. It seems Wahabism has spread across the region.

 

[sooda]

73 oil embargo.

Oh yeah.. Faisel agonized over that and my neighbor Frank Jungers was with him. They said they would do this if Nixon bailed the Israelis out... and on the flip side Golde Meir threatened to bomb the Saudi oil fields if Nixon didn't bail them out.

Fortunately, the SAG continued to supply our troops in Vietnam.

Just remember that if the ppb goes too low, domestic producers go out of business.

 

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But things have changed over there since Jerry's visits.

The first picture is 1970's Afghanistan. The second is recent. It seems Wahabism has spread across the region.
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LOLOL.. The Taliban aren't Wahabbi. They are Pashtun and Deobandi.

 

[sooda]

LOLOL.. The Taliban aren't Wahabbi. They are Pashtun and Deobandi.

Afghanistan has been a complete mess since the Afghan communists overthrew the monarchy in 1974.

 

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LOLOL.. The Taliban aren't Wahabbi. They are Pashtun and Deobandi.

All whacko's.