Gay parenthood

[dgirl1986]

Continue to chant that mantra. Interesting how many people treat science as if it were some religion, without really understanding what it is and what its limits are. As I said, all the important questions are not scientific in essence.

Did I say it was a religion? Or claim to be chanting anything of the kind? I know what science is and I am aware of its limitation of what it can and cannot test.

That depends on what you believe to be important

 

[dgirl1986]

Can you blame them? Look at it! If that thing crawled out of a spaceship you'd run for the hills!

I think they are sexy lol.

I totally agree. That's why lots of gay men don't mind kissing women on their mouth...whereas they are afraid of penetrating them.
By the way the exact name is eurotophobia

I have not found that to be the case.

 

[dgirl1986]

The problem would be solved if all states gave the right to adopt to individuals, that is, celibate people.
If a person is gay, they have to right to adopt all the children they want.
But I don't understand why a gay couple should be considered as if they were two parents. It is not something logical. Because parenthood by definition, implies a man and a woman. Not two men.
When there isn't this kind of couple, there is just celibacy. Individuals. Individuals who deserve the right to adopt.
It doesn't matter whether they are gay, straight, single or not single.

two gay people are not a parental couple.

They are if they parent children...genitals do not factor into parenting. Get your mind out of peoples pants.

Uh yeah. Just like two dudes will kiss on a dare but won't do oral. Weird huh?

I think we all get it by now. You think women are necessary because otherwise you'd be considered expendable. Guess what? Gay marriage works. Gay adoption works. Gay families work. All without a mother.

Or without a father.

Gjallarhorn,
How do you think you came to exist - by just your dad?

Sperm and egg is all that is required. Sperm and an egg create children but not family. Any idiot can become a mother or father.

 

[HeatherAnn]

To suggest that mothers are worthless- that 2 dads are fine is not only against reproduction, but it also goes against studies that show children thrive best when raised by a mother and father.

 

[Viker]

To suggest that mothers are worthless- that 2 dads are fine is not only against reproduction, but it also goes against studies that show children thrive best when raised by a mother and father.

Those studies are slanted and already outdated. No one is against reproduction and absolutely no one is suggesting mothers are worthless. Really, come up with better points to argue against something.

 

[LuisDantas]

To suggest that mothers are worthless- that 2 dads are fine is not only against reproduction, but it also goes against studies that show children thrive best when raised by a mother and father.

Who on Earth is claiming that mothers are worthless?

 

[Viker]

Who on Earth is claiming that mothers are worthless?

Obviously people like me. She requires this argument because straw men can't fall apart or catch fire easily.

 

[Estro Felino]

I believe that Hay is presuming that celibate people are single and that all single people are celibate. Which is strange and inaccurate, but this appears to be the trend.

well...if you are gay and are in a relationship with a gay person, you are still celibate before the law.
Celibacy is a juridical term. Singleness is another thing.

 

[Estro Felino]

Didnt an american politican refer to women as penis holes?

well...my best friend says that God created woman first and that men are pleasure tools created to please her.

 

[LuisDantas]

well...if you are gay and are in a relationship with a gay person, you are still celibate before the law.

Uh?

Celibacy is a juridical term. Singleness is another thing.

Uh?!?

 

[Thruve]

There's an article I've found interesting.
http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/ovic/Vie...iva2_tcc&zid=a9764475de34e422c34761f9631ce865

Gay parenthood is a very delicate topic. I want to underline that I deeply believe that a gay person can be a wonderful and loving parent. Some gay people are better parents than ordinary straight people.
But when it deals with parenthood, I think that prudence is the keyword. Because parenthood is not about the will to be parents. It is about the love children need and what they expect from their parents.

I think that we should be prudent. I would freak out if I found out that two gay parents teach their child that woman plays no role in life.
Gay parents must teach straight sexual education to their children.

I agree

 

[Drolefille]

well...if you are gay and are in a relationship with a gay person, you are still celibate before the law.
Celibacy is a juridical term. Singleness is another thing.

No you aren't. When does the law care about your sexual relationship?

Also it would make more sense to say "in a same-sex relationship" as neither person has to be gay to be in one.

Citation needed for your legal term.

 

[Wirey]

I keep telling you, gay child-rearing is responsible for Global Warming! I have proof!

Unless 1970's movies are lying to me, the following things are absolutely true about all gay people:

The men all wear short shorts, and the women all wear tie-dyed dresses.

They all ride bikes.

The men are all soft trollops and the women are all tough butches.

Now, these gay people get together and get a kid. It's a kid! It can't ride their hippy-style gay-bike! The men are too busy showing their short shorts to other men, and the women are too busy trying to figure out how to tie-dye steel wool for their dresses, so no one teaches the kid to ride a bike. But the kid still has to go to Gay Scouts or Gay Soccer or whatever they have. So they go buy a Volkwagon or a Volvo (it's a fair assumption, so shut up!), and BAM! Extra carbon in the atmosphere leads to Global Warming. A hundred years ago, no gay parents and no Global Warming. Now, every parent is gay and the planet is practically a ball of fire! It's in Revelations, people! Ta da.

Al Gore was way off. I wonder if he's gay?

 

[The Hammer]

We're talking about the most basic technical terminology, like final causes and teleology. What you are asking is like examining basic political structures without mentioning terms like democracy or monarchy, or talking of basic mechanics without mentioning terms like acceleration or velocity. It is just rhetorical nonsense designed to dismiss arguments without understanding or refuting them.

But you are not a bigot at least.....

So you want to talk natural law? Ok, which version of Classical Natural Law Theory do you subscribe to? Start there...

As for an on topic response... I read your article Hay85, what I don't seem to understand is how exactly do the genitals of the parents raising a child have anything to do with their ability to raise a well adjusted adult of society? A parent can be singular or plural and of any sexual orientation.

What happens if the family raising this child is a two male household, but one of these males is really gender female (non-surgery)? Wouldn't that really mean there was a mother and a father? Do you have the ability to seperate gender roles from biological shapes?

Also, that article had absolutely no scientific backing whatsoever. It claimed a bunch of statistics but never provided the sources for them. Therefore the article is of no value in this discussion.

 

[The Hammer]

To suggest that mothers are worthless- that 2 dads are fine is not only against reproduction, but it also goes against studies that show children thrive best when raised by a mother and father.

The suggestion of there being two dads only is against reproduction, biologically and scientifically, that does not make it morally wrong.

These so-called studies that you are referring to, are the studies that analyzed the relationship between single parent households (mother or father), to dual parent households (mother and father), there have been no studies on the long term implications of dual same-sex parents.

So with that being said, there is no reason that a same sex married couple can't raise a child (of either gender) and have them be healthy adults. Because really that is what matters, raising children to be functioning members of society.

 

[Estro Felino]

Uh?

Uh?!?

Come on...straight\gay relationships are irrelevant before the law.
only marriage is relevant (and civil unions)

 

[The Hammer]

Come on...straight\gay relationships are irrelevant before the law.
only marriage is relevant (and civil unions)

Who's law? You're law? American Law? Italian Law? Natural Law? Biblical Law?

If gay relationships are not relevant before the law, if a gay man rapes another gay man, it doesn't matter because they are both irrelavent to the law?

 

[LuisDantas]

Come on...straight\gay relationships are irrelevant before the law.

So?

only marriage is relevant (and civil unions)

And...?

 

[Estro Felino]

So?



And...?

so celibate people should be given the right to adopt.

 

[LuisDantas]

so celibate people should be given the right to adopt.

Probably. But what does that have to do with same sex marriage?