Gay parenthood

[methylatedghosts]

The problem would be solved if all states gave the right to adopt to individuals, that is, celibate people.
If a person is gay, they have to right to adopt all the children they want.
But I don't understand why a gay couple should be considered as if they were two parents. It is not something logical. Because parenthood by definition, implies a man and a woman. Not two men.
When there isn't this kind of couple, there is just celibacy. Individuals. Individuals who deserve the right to adopt.
It doesn't matter whether they are gay, straight, single or not single.

two gay people are not a parental couple.

You know what, you have a lot of growing up to do if you think two men can't be effective, well-rounded parents. I know I'm a great parent. Having another person around would certainly make things easier, and wouldn't be a negative in raising my daughter at all.


**** you. **** you and your retarded concepts on sex, sexuality and parenthood...

That's the kindest I can be. The rules prevent me from really saying what I think of you, but I think you probably get the gist

 

[Estro Felino]

You know what, you have a lot of growing up to do if you think two men can't be effective, well-rounded parents. I know I'm a great parent. Having another person around would certainly make things easier, and wouldn't be a negative in raising my daughter at all.


**** you. **** you and your retarded concepts on sex, sexuality and parenthood...

That's the kindest I can be. The rules prevent me from really saying what I think of you, but I think you probably get the gist

You can send me a private message if you want.
I don't feel insulted. I am just saying what I think; it saddens me that my words hurt you. It is not intentional: if you read the opening post, you will see that I underlined that two gay people can be wonderful loving parents.
and I swear it to God. That's what I think from the bottom of my heart.

 

[methylatedghosts]

You can send me a private message if you want.
I don't feel insulted. I am just saying what I think; it saddens me that my words hurt you. It is not intentional: if you read the opening thread, you will see that I underlined that two gay people can be wonderful loving parents.
and I swear it to God. That's what I think from the bottom of my heart.

Then why all the rest of that ********?

 

[methylatedghosts]

I don't see how you can possibly think that, given all the rest of the **** you've posted about gay people being parents. I don't swear often, but look - three posts and four starred words!

 

[Estro Felino]

Then why all the rest of that ********?

Mine was a juridic speech. I was talking about what the law should do. The Law is something different than society.
Of course society must respect all kinds of families

 

[methylatedghosts]

Mine was a juridical speech. I was talking about what the law should do. The Law is something different than society.
Of course society must respect all kinds of families

I think I'm just going to stop reading threads you create. Truly, can't get much worse. Let me know when you've worked out all of your issues, and I might reconsider

 

[The Hammer]

so celibate people should be given the right to adopt.

You have ignored both of my posts, am I invisible? Or right? Haha

And you are right celibate people can, should, and do adopt. I don't see why what gender (or not) one has sex with has any relevant bearing on the basis of reality or ability to parent.

 

[Estro Felino]

So you want to talk natural law? Ok, which version of Classical Natural Law Theory do you subscribe to? Start there...

natural law. Two men cannot make a child. They can take care of this child...but as two uncles would. (Example: the movie 3 men and a baby)

As for an on topic response... I read your article Hay85, what I don't seem to understand is how exactly do the genitals of the parents raising a child have anything to do with their ability to raise a well adjusted adult of society? A parent can be singular or plural and of any sexual orientation.

of course. The problem is that the child in question must understand that two gay men raising a child is not the same thing as a mother and a father.
In other words: a gay man can be the most wonderful and loving parent ever; but his partner and he are not the same thing as a mother and a father.

What happens if the family raising this child is a two male household, but one of these males is really gender female (non-surgery)? Wouldn't that really mean there was a mother and a father? Do you have the ability to seperate gender roles from biological shapes?

well...I would prefer that the woman in question removed that part with surgery.
but even if she doesn't, I would say that this situation is almost as healthy as a in a straight parents' family.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I think I'm just going to stop reading threads you create. Truly, can't get much worse. Let me know when you've worked out all of your issues, and I might reconsider

The sad thing is most people only find validation for their issues online, not resolution of them.

 

[The Hammer]

In a biological sense you are right, two men cannot make a child, but that is where your ability at being correct ends.

Its pretty easy to explain to a child, "your daddies do not birth you, they adopted you", the same way any adopted family would have to. They are not biologically mother and father, does not mean they are not dual parents, ability to procreate has nothing to do with ability to parent. And I hope some people who can procreate never do.

So really, your point boils down to, if a relationship has to vaginas or two penis' then it is not a healthy relationship. Its all about the genitals for you... That proves how little you actually understand about the reality of parenting.

 

[dgirl1986]

Those studies are slanted and already outdated. No one is against reproduction and absolutely no one is suggesting mothers are worthless. Really, come up with better points to argue against something.

Not to mention that they have been disproven.

 

[dgirl1986]

well...my best friend says that God created woman first and that men are pleasure tools created to please her.

What god does she follow?

 

[dgirl1986]

I don't see how you can possibly think that, given all the rest of the **** you've posted about gay people being parents. I don't swear often, but look - three posts and four starred words!

Lets be clear. He is only talking about gay male parents. Since we all know that lesbians dont want kids and dont have buttseks :/

 

[dgirl1986]

In a biological sense you are right, two men cannot make a child, but that is where your ability at being correct ends.

Its pretty easy to explain to a child, "your daddies do not birth you, they adopted you", the same way any adopted family would have to. They are not biologically mother and father, does not mean they are not dual parents, ability to procreate has nothing to do with ability to parent. And I hope some people who can procreate never do.

So really, your point boils down to, if a relationship has to vaginas or two penis' then it is not a healthy relationship. Its all about the genitals for you... That proves how little you actually understand about the reality of parenting.

Exactly. My gf and I were considering adoption and I said that if we did adopt I wanted to the kid to grow up knowing they were adopted. No betrayal, honesty and knowing that they are loved anyway.

The discussion of parental genitals does not take into consideration parenting roles, parenting types, gender roles, personality etc.

 

[The Hammer]

Exactly. My gf and I were considering adoption and I said that if we did adopt I wanted to the kid to grow up knowing they were adopted. No betrayal, honesty and knowing that they are loved anyway.

The discussion of parental genitals does not take into consideration parenting roles, parenting types, gender roles, personality etc.

Exactly my point. Hay85's problems seem to stem from genitalia and buttsex... That's it, that is no logical basis for an argument on parenting.
Hay85 doesn't take in to consideration gender roles, or anything along those lines. Even, ironically enough, doesn't seem to have a problem with a Dad and a MTF Transgender "mom". I don't even know what else to think anymore hahaha....

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Exactly my point. Hay85's problems seem to stem from genitalia and buttsex... That's it, that is no logical basis for an argument on parenting.
Hay85 doesn't take in to consideration gender roles, or anything along those lines. Even, ironically enough, doesn't seem to have a problem with a Dad and a MTF Transgender "mom". I don't even know what else to think anymore hahaha....

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3939776-post37.html

 

[Estro Felino]

Exactly my point. Hay85's problems seem to stem from genitalia and buttsex... That's it, that is no logical basis for an argument on parenting.
Hay85 doesn't take in to consideration gender roles, or anything along those lines. Even, ironically enough, doesn't seem to have a problem with a Dad and a MTF Transgender "mom". I don't even know what else to think anymore hahaha....

who am I to prevent two gay men from becoming parents?
the truth is that I don't think it's a good idea.
If you asked me: would you raise a child with your partner?
I would say: No. Because I don't want my child to grow up with two men.

 

[Jeremy Taylor]

Did I say it was a religion? Or claim to be chanting anything of the kind? I know what science is and I am aware of its limitation of what it can and cannot test.

You repeated I believe in science, or something similar, as if science solved all issues. You didn't really show much awareness of what science really is or its limitations. Science cannot be offered up as some sort of holistic view of reality without argument.

That depends on what you believe to be important

Not really. It depends on what is important in the context of human live.

 

[Jeremy Taylor]

Personally as a former Catholic and one who has read plenty about it, I don't much care one way or the other.

We have seen, just in this thread, the knowledge of some ex-Catholics on these issues.....

 

[Jeremy Taylor]

Not to mention that they have been disproven.

This is not true. There have been studies which have been alleged to disagree, but they all have massive methodological flaws (like small sample sizes, non-random samples, and so on). Not that you'd know by watching the mainstream media.

Timothy J. Dailey Ph.D. -- Homosexual Parenting: Placing children at risk