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[Jainarayan]

Because God warns against false idols, gods, doctrines, prophets. If Thor isn't in any way correlated to God then It's an obvious answer?

How can something that exists be false? I already said I see thunder, lightning, rain. Seems pretty real to me.

 

[Jainarayan]

Keep arguing but you're not going to get it until you "taste and see".

I tasted it... I could chew but couldn't swallow.

 

[Jainarayan]

God never tells us our life will not be easy but he will not forsake us

Our gods expect us to stand on our own two feet and help each other. We don't run to our gods begging, or blaming them. We know this and live by it.

 

[BenTheBeliever]

That's a gold medal-worthy backstroke.

How so? It says in the word we are saved by grace. Not the OT

 

[BenTheBeliever]

Our gods expect us to stand on our own two feet and help each other. We don't run to our gods begging, or blaming them. We know this and live by it.

Somethings only God can help us with.

 

[Jainarayan]

But I don't believe in gods.

Thor will get you for that.

 

[Jainarayan]

How so? It says in the word we are saved by grace. Not the OT

Because Jesus said nothing of the Law was going to go away.

Didn't I say that before!?

 

[BenTheBeliever]

Because Jesus said nothing of the Law was going to go away.

Didn't I say that before!?

it also states there is no condation in us who are in Christ.

 

[Jainarayan]

I don't see how the horrible death of six millions innocents can cause any offsetting good. Maybe you can, I cannot.

Especially because we haven't learned.

 

[BenTheBeliever]

Question: "What does it mean that there is no condemnation in Christ (Romans 8:1)?"

Answer: “No condemnation” can be defined in courtroom language. To have “no condemnation” declared means to be found innocent of the accusation, to have no sentence inflicted and no guilty verdict found. By the grace of God, believers in Jesus Christ will not face the condemnation of God. “We have passed from death to life” (1 John 3:14).

The Bible teaches that every human being will be brought before the judgment throne of God for an ultimate and decisive judgment (2 Corinthians 5:10), and Christ Himself will be the judge (John 5:27). We are all naturally under the condemnation of God: “Whoever does not believe stands condemned already” (John 3:18b). But Christians will not be found guilty on Judgment Day (John 3:18a; Matthew 25:33–34).

However, the “no condemnation” involves more than acquittal on Judgment Day. In Romans 8:1 the apostle Paul speaks in the present tense, as evidenced by the word now. Also, notice the word therefore, which points the reader to the previous passage of Romans 7:21-25. In Romans 7 Paul describes his struggle against the sinful nature—a struggle that every believer experiences. Paul writes, “Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me” (Romans 7:21) and, “What a wretched man I am!” (Romans 7:24). Paul is expressing his hatred for the sinful nature which continues to war against his new nature in Christ—Paul hates the sin he commits, but he is also thankful because he has been set free from slavery to sin. He now has the ability to do what is good because Christ has delivered him (Romans 7:25).

Paul takes this a step further in Romans 8 when he teaches believers are not only free from bondage to sin, they are free from the inner emotions and thoughts that tend to bring feelings of condemnation to the Christian when he does commit sin (Romans 8:2). Christians are free from the “law of sin and death,” which means, although they will commit sin, the Law no longer has the power to condemn them. We are not under the Law’s condemnation because Jesus fulfilled (“filled-up, completed”) the expectations of the Law perfectly, and believers are “in Christ” (Romans 8:3). Because believers are in Christ, they have the joy of being counted as righteous, simply because Christ is righteous (Philippians 3:9). Paul also points out that genuine Christians, although they struggle, will not live “according to the flesh”; that is, they will not persist in a constant state of sinful living (Romans 8:5).

Paul encourages us that we need not fear condemnation because we can come to God as our loving, forgiving Father (Romans 8:15–16). Christians who live in shame and guilt over past failures are needlessly condemning themselves when they ought to be “forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead” (Philippians 3:13). Fear can be paralyzing, “but perfect love drives out fear” (1 John 4:18). As Christians, we must understand that our justification is found in Christ alone—in His finished work on the cross—not in what we do or don’t do (Romans 3:28). Believers can find solace in the assurance that we have been adopted into God’s own family and have been made heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ (Romans 8:17). Nothing can separate us “from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:39).

 

[viole]

Because God warns against false idols, gods, doctrines, prophets. If Thor isn't in any way correlated to God then It's an obvious answer?

Nope. i could symmetrically say that God is not related to Thor, and therefore God is obviously false.

You are begging the question that God is, for some reason, more plausible than Thor. How so?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Are you saying you believe in Thor lol

Are you saying you believe in a zombie who went on a three days leave for our sins? LOL.

Before ridiculing other beliefs, I would make sure that my own are immune against even greater ridicule. Just a friendly advice.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Honestly if you're happy with Lucifer here then you'll be ecstatic with him at his home. Idk what else to say to you lmao.

I'd rather be in Hell than spend eternity with a pro-slavery, misogynistic, baby-killing God.

I'm not wasting my time trying to prove it when I don't have much to throw at you except the changes in myself and other people's lives. You just won't get it until you try, but I guess stubbornness is gonna hold you back so that's rely not my issue. Faith man, faith.

The thing is, every religion can boast such claims. How can you pick one when everyone is saying their own religion made them better?

Not everyone who is of your religion experiences it in a positive way. My ex, she was Catholic and went to a Catholic school, yet she had to endure constant bullying while having the image of Christ everywhere she looked, and Christ did nothing for her. I used to be a very faithful and obedient Christian, but God did nothing to ease my suffering, and rather than the happy positive changes I yearned for death. But it was actually in my post-God life, in which I realized and acknowledged I know nothing, that things started to improve.

 

[Jumi]

I'm not wasting my time debating here lol, actions speak louder than words and I've seen plenty of action from God. You keep doing whatever it is you're doing but just remember: you'll see.

It's the debate section. If you're not into debates, there's the protected DIRs.

 

[leibowde84]

You're right,if you aren't a Christian then obviously you won't see it as a sin or see any problem with it so yes only Christian rules are followed by Christians but they apply to all, based on my beliefs, so that is why I hold non-Christians to that standard.

So, you have no problem with your pushing your subjective religious beliefs on others, against their will? I find it troubling that you are so comfortable attempting to force others to live under your subjective belief of what God demands, then disagree so adamantly when the scientific community use objective evidence to show that certain Christian beliefs are wrong. See what I mean? It just seems wrong.

 

[leibowde84]

Honestly if you're happy with Lucifer here then you'll be ecstatic with him at his home. Idk what else to say to you lmao.

High on yourself, much? Way to keep an open mind!

 

[leibowde84]

I'm not wasting my time debating here lol, actions speak louder than words and I've seen plenty of action from God. You keep doing whatever it is you're doing but just remember: you'll see.

I believe in God, and I am pretty confident that, if anyone is going to get "punished", it's going to be entitled religious know-it-alls that get upset when God is questioned. If you think you are better off merely because you believe in God, you are wrong. If anything, we will be judged on actions, not mere beliefs.

 

[leibowde84]

Then if she does not find comfort in God then perhaps she should not believe in him then? no i don't have kids. but i sure as hell been through more then my share of heartache. At the age of 33 i have been through hell and made it through. even before my birth when my mom was pregnant with me Satan try to kill me. My mom was married to my dad and left him when she was pregnant with me. He was a drinker and would abuse her. One night the holy spirit told my mom to get my sister who was five and herself out of there and go to the gas station down the street. my mom was about six months long with me at the time and she did what she heard God tell her to do. Cause she listen to God i am alive today. Jack (my dad) came home drunk. He was looking for my mom but could not find her and instead ended up almost killing their dog.

I did not met him until i was 14 years old and he died when i was 18. Cause he abuse my mom i had to deal with many health issues and handicaps. I was in the MR classes in school and was often picked on cause of it. I grew up poor. My mom raised my sister and me on her own with out a husband. She raised us with Christ was our father. we might not of gone to church all the time but we had God living in the house with us. She raised us to love Christ and love people.

I have had to battle with deppression and anxienty so bad that i came close to killing myself in hs. it was not until my friend holly came into my life my senior year in 2000 that i gave my life to the Lord for my own self and i begin to change.

I met my wife in 2011. We got married a year later. One month after we got married my wife who has bi polar hand an attack and got put in the hospital. we we're just married one month and i felt defeated cause i could not protect my wife. It was during one day at work that God showed up and change me for the better. I worked for 13 years in a retail store. i was the head bag boy. I was cleaning up a mess when i found out that my wife was not doing good and was court order to be in the hospital. I fell to my knees and i remember crying out to God. right then on the raido at my old job casting crowns song courages came on the radio. I felt the holy spirit picking me up and telling me i needed to let God have it. I did what i felt God tell me to do. For three days i fasted my lunch cause God told me to. Just less then a week later my wife did a full recovering and got to come home sooner then they imagine she would.

We have had other battles we have had to deal with inculding the death of my four month old great niece, my mom having mini strokes and having to move in with us for two years and me leaving my job cause i got fibromlygia real bad.

But i have not let go of God. For me he is the only reason why i am still living.

Why did your Mom jump to the conclusion that the voice was God? Why was she so confident?

 

[BenTheBeliever]

Why did your Mom jump to the conclusion that the voice was God? Why was she so confident?

Because his children know his voice. If she would of stayed I would of never been born. God protects his own

 

[leibowde84]

Because his children know his voice. If she would of stayed I would of never been born. God protects his own

How do his "children know his voice"? I'm not sure what this means. I've never heard that before.