Gender Apartheid

[ImmortalFlame]

Gaza / Israel is an amazingly complex situation. We will never solve it if we start with false claims like "genocide" or "apartheid".

What about accurate claims like "war crimes"?

Do you think committing war crimes is a good solution to the problem?

 

[Ignatius A]

When you say "in kind", what do you mean? Do you mean "they committed war crimes against civilians, so we are justified in committing war crimes against civilians"? Or, do you mean a response that is reasonable and proportionate to the threat and doesn't intentionally or disproportionately harm non-involved parties in accordance with international law?

Important question.


Again, do you therefore believe that it is justified for Israel to respond by eliminating Gaza, including the millions of civilians who live there, or in eliminating Hamas ONLY?

Again, important question.


Since I have repeatedly called Hamas genocidal terrorists and perpetrators of war crimes, you are now spreading an explicit and knowing falsehood about me, and you should retract this statement.

Meanwhile, you are explicitly justifying war crimes.

Look up what "in kind" means.

I am justifying them because hamas has publicly and explicitly stated their desire to eliminate Israel and Jews from the face of the earth. They are a lying band of rabid dogs with no consideration for their own people.

You can pretend to be "horrified" by my justification it make me no difference to me and do you know why? Because a

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Look up what "in kind" means.

I am justifying them because hamas has publicly and explicitly stated their desire to eliminate Israel and Jews from the face of the earth. They are a lying band of rabid dogs with no consideration for their own people.

You can pretend to be "horrified" by my justification it make me no difference to me and do you know why? Because a

Because a - what?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Look up what "in kind" means.

It means "in the same way". So if Hamas killed a bunch of innocent civilians, do you believe this means Israel are justified in killing a bunch of innocent civilians? Yes or no?

I am justifying them because hamas has publicly and explicitly stated their desire to eliminate Israel and Jews from the face of the earth.

I know this. We all know this.

They are a lying band of rabid dogs with no consideration for their own people.

Why does that justify killing innocent civilians?

You can pretend to be "horrified" by my justification it make me no difference to me and do you know why?

Because you only pretend to care when innocent civilians die, because your actual positions are that killing innocent civilians is fine, actually, except when Hamas do it because they're brown?

Any chance I will be getting an apology from you for KNOWINGLY AND WILFULLY SPREADING FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT ME in the near future?

 

[Ignatius A]

What do you think your source is saying?



Close off the borders with Gaza, improve the defenses, find the ones responsible for the terrorism...

It has nothing to do with what I "think" it's whats said

"Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated. A large majority believed Hamas’ claims that it acted to defend a major Islamic shrine in Jerusalem against Jewish extremists and win the release of Palestinian prisoners. Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities."

Sounds like you

When they close the border people whine even more. Their defenses could be stronger and I bet there would be even more whining. Find out how?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It has nothing to do with what I "think" it's whats said

"Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated. A large majority believed Hamas’ claims that it acted to defend a major Islamic shrine in Jerusalem against Jewish extremists and win the release of Palestinian prisoners. Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities."

Sounds like you

When they close the border people whine even more. Their defenses could be stronger and I bet there would be even more whining. Find out how?

And, as we all know, what people believe and agree with means they deserve to die.

Says a totally normal human.

 

[Ignatius A]

And, as we all know, what people believe and agree with means they deserve to die.

Says a totally normal human.

No but the people they support sure as hell have no problem if they are killed.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

No but the people they support sure as hell have no problem if they are killed.

Do you think Hamas not caring about them being killed justifies the act of the IDF killing them?

 

[Koldo]

It has nothing to do with what I "think" it's whats said

"Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated. A large majority believed Hamas’ claims that it acted to defend a major Islamic shrine in Jerusalem against Jewish extremists and win the release of Palestinian prisoners. Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities."

You started saying that all of them support Hamas. Then you changed to most. Now this most has been qualified as barely above 50%, and your own source explains why: because they have been fed a falsehood by Hamas. In other words, your position keep getting weaker and weaker.

Sounds like you

When they close the border people whine even more. Their defenses could be stronger and I bet there would be even more whining. Find out how?

And since they would whine one way or another it is alright to bomb them to death? Explain how that makes sense to you.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Keep those strawman arguments coming

That's not a strawman argument.
Rather, it's an observation.

 

[Ignatius A]

Do you think Hamas not caring about them being killed justifies the act of the IDF killing them?

No Ive told you a thousand times why I think Israel is justified in responding in kind to hamas. You cant or won't pay attention apparently.

So we agree then that hamas has no concern for its own citizens and is willing to allow it's own citizens to be killed in the pursuit of their goal to eliminate Israel and jews from the face of the earth. You should gomand take over hamas because you care moe for their citizens then they do.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

No Ive told you a thousand times why I think Israel is justified in responding in kind to hamas.

So you believe Hamas not caring doesn't justify the act of the IDF killing them, something else does.

So why do you keep bringing it up as a defence for killing civilians? Stop bringing it up. It's not relevant.

You cant or won't pay attention apparently.

You have yet to actually give a cogent argument to justify the mass killing of civilians and the committing of war crimes. I even tried to get you to specify what you meant by "in kind" and you refused. So I can only assume your position is that killing civilians is totally fine.

So we agree then that hamas has no concern for its own citizens and is willing to allow it's own citizens to be killed in the pursuit of their goal to eliminate Israel and jews from the face of the earth. You should gomand take over hamas because you care moe for their citizens then they do.

Since I have always been of the position that Hamas are bad and don't care about civilian deaths on either side, what point do you think you're making and what relevance does it have to your argument that killing civilians and committing war crimes is justified?

According to your logic, Hamas are perfectly justified in not caring about civilian casualties, because neither is Israel. It's a self-perpetuating cycle of war crime justification.

 

[Ignatius A]

So you believe Hamas not caring doesn't justify the act of the IDF killing them, something else does.

So why do you keep bringing it up as a defence for killing civilians? Stop bringing it up. It's not relevant.


You have yet to actually give a cogent argument to justify the mass killing of civilians and the committing of war crimes. I even tried to get you to specify what you meant by "in kind" and you refused. So I can only assume your position is that killing civilians is totally fine.


Since I have always been of the position that Hamas are bad and don't care about civilian deaths on either side, what point do you think you're making and what relevance does it have to your argument that killing civilians and committing war crimes is justified?

According to your logic, Hamas are perfectly justified in not caring about civilian casualties, because neither is Israel. It's a self-perpetuating cycle of war crime justification.

It's like you work at not comprehending. Its fascinating to watch you people.

It's not my logic. That has nothing to do with it. Hamas does not care about civilians either their own or anyone else's. That's why hamas is a band of rabid dogs. Humans should not be expected to live among rabid dogs but if they just turn the rabid dogs need to be restrained.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It's like you work at not comprehending. Its fascinating to watch you people.

Insulting my intelligence won't get you any closer to making a cogent argument. You've repeatedly said that killing innocent civilians is justified. Is that or is that not your position?

It's not my logic. That has nothing to do with it. Hamas does not care about civilians either their own or anyone else's.

Again, you keep saying that. We agree. What relevance does it have to this discussion as to whether or not killing civilians is justified?

That's why hamas is a band of rabid dogs. Humans should not be expected to live among rabid dogs but if they just turn the rabid dogs need to be restrained.

I agree, Hamas are bad.

Now, back to the issue of why you believe it's justified to kill innocent civilians?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It's like you work at not comprehending. Its fascinating to watch you people.

It's not my logic. That has nothing to do with it. Hamas does not care about civilians either their own or anyone else's. That's why hamas is a band of rabid dogs. Humans should not be expected to live among rabid dogs but if they just turn the rabid dogs need to be restrained.

The problem is that it is not a logical observation and thus not sound, that Hamas is a band of rabid dogs.
Thus any justification you claim in effect is a subjective feeling in you.

You reason using feelings that are yours and not just objective observations.

 

[Ignatius A]

Insulting my intelligence won't get you any closer to making a cogent argument. You've repeatedly said that killing innocent civilians is justified. Is that or is that not your position?


Again, you keep saying that. We agree. What relevance does it have to this discussion as to whether or not killing civilians is justified?


I agree, Hamas are bad.

Now, back to the issue of why you believe it's justified to kill innocent civilians?

Good we agree hamas is bad

I've told you a thousand times why israel is justified in responding in kind to Hamas. It's not an insult of your intelligence to ask why you can't comprehend something after being told something a thousand times.

 

[Ignatius A]

The problem is that it is not a logical observation and thus not sound, that Hamas is a band of rabid dogs.
Thus any justification you claim in effect is a subjective feeling in you.

You reason using feelings that are yours and not just objective observations.

It's an objective observation that hamas doesn't care about it's civilians or anyone else's. It's also an objective observation that hamas publicly and explicitly wants to eliminate Israel and Jews from the face of the earth. That makes them rabid dogs. Your offended feelings over those objective observations are as relevant to me as the mating habits of dung beetles.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Good we agree hamas is bad

As if I haven't been saying it for several pages, now.

And yet you insult MY comprehension...

I've told you a thousand times why israel is justified in responding in kind to Hamas. It's not an insult of your intelligence to ask why you can't comprehend something after being told something a thousand times.

So, to sum it up, you believe it's justified to commit war crimes if you are victim of war crimes.

Why do you keep bringing up whether or not Hamas care, since you openly acknowledge that it's irrelevant?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It's an objective observation that hamas doesn't care about it's civilians or anyone else's. It's also an objective observation that hamas publicly and explicitly wants to eliminate Israel and Jews from the face of the earth. That makes them rabid dogs. Your offended feelings over those objective observations are as relevant to me as the mating habits of dung beetles.

Why do you keep mentioning these things, that you admit are irrelevant, in a debate about justifying committing war crimes?

 

[Ignatius A]

As if I haven't been saying it for several pages, now.

And yet you insult MY comprehension...


So, to sum it up, you believe it's justified to commit war crimes if you are victim of war crimes.

Why do you keep bringing up whether or not Hamas care, since you openly acknowledge that it's irrelevant?

Again Israel is justified in responding in kind to Hamas. It's that includes killing then that's how.

I bring up hamas's lack of concern for their own citizens to remind people why Hamas is a band of rabid dogs.