Gender changes

[Maximilian]

I'll worry about my own problems. I don't wish to discuss whether I need a psychiatrist as a result of you baiting with mass insensitive proselytizing cerebrum genocide in my thread. I'd also stop telling people they have ADD if I were you too.

And Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness which is regularly treated by qualified mental health care professionals.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

And Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness which is regularly treated by qualified mental health care professionals.

I see what you mean with one correction: I don't think it's 100 percent accurate to describe it as a mental illness, I feel this article may describe it better:

What Is Gender Dysphoria?

I'm not disagreeing with this whole post, just correcting. Perhaps some day I will explain what I'm doing about all of this. But for now, it's a bit personal.

 

[Maximilian]

I see what you mean with one correction: I don't think it's 100 percent accurate to describe it as a mental illness, I feel this article may describe it better:

What Is Gender Dysphoria?

I'm not disagreeing with this whole post, just correcting. Perhaps some day I will explain what I'm doing about all of this. But for now, it's a bit personal.

"The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) provides for one overarching diagnosis of gender dysphoria" (Emphasis mine.)

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

And Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness which is regularly treated by qualified mental health care professionals.

"The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) provides for one overarching diagnosis of gender dysphoria" (Emphasis mine.)

You said "illness", not disorder. I would have been more fine if you said "disorder".

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Alright guys, here's what I plan to do. I have a lot of stress in my life right now so it may really, truly be best for me to wait a little bit on the whole "hormone" thing. In the meantime, I'm going to explore the subject more and see how I feel dressing more..... gender-neutral...... for starters. And since I have an upcoming routine check-up with a Psychiatrist, I'm going to utilize it to discuss this subject, even if the visit costs extra due to a much extended session. It's for the best.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

What is your evidence?

You are putting the cart before the horse. People don't become transgender because they have gender dysphoria. Transgender is something they are, gender dysphoria is what happens when some of those who are transgender do not transition but not all those who are transgender feel the need to transition therefore they do not exhibit gender dysphoria. It largely depends on the individual and their needs.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

You are putting the cart before the horse. People don't become transgender because they have gender dysphoria. Transgender is something they are, gender dysphoria is what happens when some of those who are transgender do not transition but not all those who are transgender feel the need to transition therefore they do not exhibit gender dysphoria. It largely depends on the individual and their needs.

Thank you. You're such a nice, huggable person sometimes. (no sarcasm intended)

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Thank you. You're such a nice, huggable person sometimes. (no sarcasm intended)

I try, I do try.

 

[Maximilian]

You said "illness", not disorder. I would have been more fine if you said "disorder".

"Mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of. It is a medical problem, just like heart disease or diabetes."

 

[The Reverend Bob]

"Mental illness is nothing to be ashamed of. It is a medical problem, just like heart disease or diabetes."

Do you believe homosexuality is a "mental illness"?

 

[Maximilian]

You are putting the cart before the horse. People don't become transgender because they have gender dysphoria.

And "The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) provides for one overarching diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

In adolescents and adults gender dysphoria diagnosis involves a difference between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, and significant distress or problems functioning." (Bold mine.)

 

[Maximilian]

Do you believe homosexuality is a "mental illness"?

"Mental illnesses are health conditions involving changes in emotion, thinking or behavior (or a combination of these). Mental illnesses are associated with distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities."

Given all of the "distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities" that result when "changes in emotion, thinking or behavior (or a combination of these)" drive someone to become homosexual, how does homosexuality not fit with the definition of mental illness?

 

[The Reverend Bob]

"Mental illnesses are health conditions involving changes in emotion, thinking or behavior (or a combination of these). Mental illnesses are associated with distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities."

Given all of the "distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities" that result when "changes in emotion, thinking or behavior (or a combination of these)" drive someone to become homosexual, how does homosexuality not fit with the definition of mental illness?

A simple yes or no would suffice

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

"Mental illnesses are health conditions involving changes in emotion, thinking or behavior (or a combination of these). Mental illnesses are associated with distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities."

Given all of the "distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities" that result when "changes in emotion, thinking or behavior (or a combination of these)" drive someone to become homosexual, how does homosexuality not fit with the definition of mental illness?

Alright, I think I understand the argument:

1. Take all the pain and emotions the LGBTQ+ community has felt caused by religious bigotry. The separation from family, etc caused by it.

2. Make the conclusion they're mentally ill.

3. ??????

4. Profit.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

And "The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5) provides for one overarching diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

In adolescents and adults gender dysphoria diagnosis involves a difference between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, and significant distress or problems functioning." (Bold mine.)

I hope you realize that the article you cited contradicts your argument

 

[Maximilian]

Alright, I think I understand the argument:

1. Take all the pain and emotions the LGBTQ+ community has felt caused by religious bigotry. The separation from family, etc caused by it.

2. Make the conclusion they're mentally ill.

3. ??????

4. Profit.

Given all of the "distress and/or problems functioning in social, work or family activities" that result when "changes in emotion, thinking or behavior (or a combination of these)" drive someone to become homosexual, how does homosexuality not fit with the definition of mental illness?

 

[Maximilian]

I hope you realize that the article you cited contradicts your argument

This was already addressed here.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You are putting the cart before the horse. People don't become transgender because they have gender dysphoria. Transgender is something they are, gender dysphoria is what happens when some of those who are transgender do not transition but not all those who are transgender feel the need to transition therefore they do not exhibit gender dysphoria. It largely depends on the individual and their needs.

Thats actually a pretty good brief summary of it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'd also stop telling people they have ADD if I were you too.

Whered that happen? (Link? I have him on ignore)