Gender Dysphoric Kids

[InChrist]

Poor kids that are being targeted for unscientific, experimental therapies and surgeries (for financial profit) that can create long term damage to their health and lives.


“It is not transphobic or discriminatory to discuss this—we as a society need to fully understand what we are encouraging our children to do to their bodies.”

We need balance when it comes to gender dysphoric kids. I would know | Opinion


What are your thoughts?

 

[Debater Slayer]

oor kids that are being targeted for unscientific, experimental therapies and surgeries (fir financial profit) that can create long term damage to their health and lives.

Which therapies and surgeries do you believe are "unscientific" and "experimental"?

For reference, this is what the NHS has to say about treatment for gender dysphoria. It doesn't immediately recommend surgery for children, and surgery as a treatment for adults with gender dysphoria is far from unscientific or experimental.

 

[Subduction Zone]

When I first heard about transgender people and gender disphoria my first reaction was "Hell NO!" What can I say, I am old. But as I listened to people that were trans and looked at the evidence and read articles such as the one that @Debater Slayer just linked I saw that they almost surely had a valid case. I am not going to force them to stay trapped in what they feel is the wrong gender.

As a Christian you should be asking yourself "What would Jesus do?" And from his teachings he was very accepting of everyone.

 

[tarasan]

Poor kids that are being targeted for unscientific, experimental therapies and surgeries (fir financial profit) that can create long term damage to their health and lives.


“It is not transphobic or discriminatory to discuss this—we as a society need to fully understand what we are encouraging our children to do to their bodies.”

We need balance when it comes to gender dysphoric kids. I would know | Opinion


What are your thoughts?

Simply put I would say that if you are a child I would say the law should tell you to hold off till when your an adult. It's a big step and can have disastrous consequences if your wrong.

 

[Marcion]

Kids who feel that they are in the wrong gender body should be allowed to take blockers which stops them from the physical gender transformation they desperately don't want. When they are adult they can then decide about any definite transformation into whatever gender form they wish.

 

[tarasan]

Kids who feel that they are in the wrong gender body should be allowed to take blockers which stops them from the physical transformation they desperately don't want. When they are adult they can then decide about any definite transformation into whatever gender form they wish.

Don't the blockers make you sterile?

You think a child is able to make that decision?

 

[tarasan]

Kids who feel that they are in the wrong gender body should be allowed to take blockers which stops them from the physical gender transformation they desperately don't want. When they are adult they can then decide about any definite transformation into whatever gender form they wish.

My bad that's hormones nvm

 

[Subduction Zone]

Don't the blockers make you sterile?

You think a child is able to make that decision?

From my understanding the blockers put off puberty. The problem is that if a young man goes through puberty there are permanent changes to the body.

 

[tarasan]

From my understanding the blockers put off puberty. The problem is that if a young man goes through puberty there are permanent changes to the body.

Yeah I stated that in an above comment, is there a certain time limit to that though, I mean if a child thinks at say 14 are the blockers effective then?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah I stated that in an above comment, is there a certain time limit to that though, I mean if a child thinks at say 14 are the blockers effective then?

I am far from an expert in this areas so I will simply say "I don't know". There are a few members here that are trans and they will probably weigh in sooner or later. They would know far more than I do.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yeah I stated that in an above comment, is there a certain time limit to that though, I mean if a child thinks at say 14 are the blockers effective then?

I trust that Mayo Clinic. They are a medical source and are only concerned with the well being of patients. They do not appear to be permanent and they do not hand them out like candy:

Pubertal blockers for transgender and gender diverse youth

 

[Marcion]

Don't the blockers make you sterile?

You think a child is able to make that decision?

No, they don't, once you stop the blockers the transformation will again start up.
The idea about using blockers is that the person can make the decision after childhood is over.
Without the blockers the girl or boy will be stuck with all kinds of irreversible* changes such as broader hips, breasts, too much bodily hair, coarser facial features or wider shoulders.

Someone should not have to go through such mental suffering (dysphoria).
Jesus was all for compassion with the suffering.

* without costly and painful operations

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I trust that Mayo Clinic. They are a medical source and are only concerned with the well being of patients. They do not appear to be permanent and they do not hand them out like candy:

Pubertal blockers for transgender and gender diverse youth

Not quite:
"
Use of GnRH analogues might also have long-term effects on:

• Bone density
• Future fertility"

 

[Yerda]

What are your thoughts?

I think I'd need more info on these experimental and unscientific practices. I've heard similar claims before and when I looked into it I found it was completely untrue.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I think I'd need more info on these experimental and unscientific practices. I've heard similar claims before and when I looked into it I found it was completely untrue.

What do you mean?

 

[Regiomontanus]

When I first heard about transgender people and gender disphoria my first reaction was "Hell NO!" What can I say, I am old. But as I listened to people that were trans and looked at the evidence and read articles such as the one that @Debater Slayer just linked I saw that they almost surely had a valid case. I am not going to force them to stay trapped in what they feel is the wrong gender.

As a Christian you should be asking yourself "What would Jesus do?" And from his teachings he was very accepting of everyone.

Accepting of everyone? Well not in the sense that he would be like "hey, whatever you want to do with your body is fine." Where do you get that from?

 

[Brian2]

Kids who feel that they are in the wrong gender body should be allowed to take blockers which stops them from the physical gender transformation they desperately don't want. When they are adult they can then decide about any definite transformation into whatever gender form they wish.

I think the blockers are a pretty definite transformation way to go. Is it wise to give young teenagers whatever they want?

 

[Brian2]

I think I'd need more info on these experimental and unscientific practices. I've heard similar claims before and when I looked into it I found it was completely untrue.

I don't know how that can be untrue when these things have not been done to young people in large numbers. This doing it in large numbers these days, even after psychological evaluations, is the experimentation that gives the data. In a sense the trans gender youth (or those who think they are) are the guinea pigs.
Great, no discrimination for gays, that is a good thing. These other things are riding on the back of that and are not necessarily wise moves.
They should be openly discussed, but it is an emotive subject, especially in an atmosphere where we all should be what we are and be given what we want.
Actually the whole thing of body alterations and hormones seems to fly in the face of being what we are.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Simply put I would say that if you are a child I would say the law should tell you to hold off till when your an adult. It's a big step and can have disastrous consequences if your wrong.

I agree however it might actually be beneficial in cases of hermaphrodites for such an early decision.

 

[Yerda]

I don't know how that can be untrue when these things have not been done to young people in large numbers. This doing it in large numbers these days, even after psychological evaluations, is the experimentation that gives the data. In a sense the trans gender youth (or those who think they are) are the guinea pigs

It's untrue that the treatments I've read about and heard medical doctors describe are unscientific or experimental (in general). Trials are carried out before drugs like puberty blockers are approved for general use - like any other drug. Also, the numbers of children going through gender reassignment therapies is still miniscule and given the reporting on gender dysphoria are still smaller than we would expect.

Maybe you could explain what "these things" are that you are taling about.

Great, no discrimination for gays, that is a good thing. These other things are riding on the back of that and are not necessarily wise moves.
They should be openly discussed, but it is an emotive subject, especially in an atmosphere where we all should be what we are and be given what we want.
Actually the whole thing of body alterations and hormones seems to fly in the face of being what we are.

As long as we begin from the position that trans people should be treated with dignity and that medical treatment should be aimed at giving them the best opportunity of a fulfilling life then I think we can talk about it til the cows come home. In the end I'm not trans and I'm happy to leave all the decisions to the children, families and medical professionals involved.