Gender Ideology Harms Children

[Revoltingest]

It's because they're conservatives, they can't spell, duh.

I'm offended by the misuse of "comprise", which is a bi-partisan problem.
I don't know if the authors are conservative or not.

 

[Mister Emu]

I don't like the tack they've taken. It is too hardline, people with gender dysphoria are suffering and we should seek to alleviate that in the best way possible. Not castigate the doctors trying their best, though I agree that puberty blockers are a hard choice, if the gender dysphoria recedes, the puberty blockers could cause psychological, and possibly physical, damage.

That makes no sense. Sexuality has nothing to do with chromosomes, sex, or gender. And obviously sexuality is not a binary, given there are bisexuals and asexuals, and a whole slew of fetishes and kinks that make non-sexual things into sexual passions.

They are talking about the sexed nature of humanity and not sexual orientation.

These two points I lumped together because they are not taking into consideration the fact that there are differences in brain structures between cisgendered people and transsexuals, with the brain of a transsexual not only having their own distinctive appearance but more resembling the brain of their identified sex than the brain of their birth-assigned sex.

This response ignores that interactivity of experience and brain, with respect to plasticity.

 

[Jumi]

Okay I get it. Anything written by Conservatives/Traditionalists must be wrong and bigoted. I'll remember this in future.

They're not wrong because they're conservatives. They're wrong on issues where they chose to ignore documented biological facts. You can be a conservative idealist while not making up things or hiding evidence.

 

[George-ananda]

I think it is good to respect and consider the conservative approach. They might be more right than the other side. I see a bullying from the left on all such topics.

 

[Father Heathen]

From the American College of Paediatricians.

There is no such organization, unless you meant the American College of Pediatricians.

Okay I get it. Anything written by Conservatives/Traditionalists must be wrong and bigoted. I'll remember this in future.

Biology and other scientific fields should be approached objectively and analytically rather than cherry-picked with religious and/or political bias.

 

[Kirran]

Okay I get it. Anything written by Conservatives/Traditionalists must be wrong and bigoted. I'll remember this in future.

I honestly don't think it is this - it's just that they do state an outright bias, in that their members need to hold to beliefs in line with Judaeo-Christian traditionalism. So this is gonna skew things in a direction.

There is no such organization, unless you meant the American College of Pediatricians.

I may not be exactly in line with Rival r.e. conservatism-progressivism, but I will stand in solidarity with her on British spelling norms!

Biology and other scientific fields should be approached objectively and analytically rather than cherry-picked with religious and/or political bias.

Let's keep in mind, I'm sure it can happen on the left as well.

 

[Father Heathen]

I have been reading a great deal about transsexuals and it seems most of the people involved have other severe mental issues and addiction.

That couldn't possibly be due to the fact that many are rejected by their family and peers and have faced discrimination, harassment, assault, etc. right? I imagine it can be a pretty rough life, where one can easy fall into depression and drug use due to this.

 

[Father Heathen]

I may not be exactly in line with Rival r.e. conservatism-progressivism, but I will stand in solidarity with her on British spelling norms!

Sure, but not for proper names.

 

[Kirran]

Sure, but not for proper names.

Yeah, you win - Rival, you're on your own.

Tbh, to be briefly off-topic, I'm pretty much OK with British spelling norms falling by the wayside in favour of an American-based global standard.

 

[Buttercup]

Yeah, you win - Rival, you're on your own.

Tbh, to be briefly off-topic, I'm pretty much OK with British spelling norms falling by the wayside in favour of an American-based global standard.

I like all the added 'u's though. They make words look pretty.

 

[Kirran]

I like all the added 'u's though. They make words look pretty.

Well, maybe we can convince the global standard to include a couple for posterity - we can keep 'colour' and 'flavour'.

 

[Melinda Rose]

That couldn't possibly be due to the fact that many are rejected by their family and peers and have faced discrimination, harassment, assault, etc. right? I imagine it can be a pretty rough life, where one can easy fall into depression and drug use due to this.

Drugs are something you choose to do or not do, but that choice is your responsibility isn't it? Choosing to be trans wouldn't you know you are coming against these things by making that decision? If I am doing something that my family views as bad and they catch me doing it do I expect them to be happy? I knew that if they caught me they'd be upset and whatever the result is I should respect their decisions. Each of our actions cause reactions!

 

[Quintessence]

Who made you an authority above the medics and psychiatrists? I'm pretty sure they know what they are talking about.

Er... nobody? Why is this suddenly about me? A basic understanding of biology and sciences is enough to know that they're oversimplifying, as well as making some non-scientific statements. The notion of "biological sex" in humans being a binary is at best an oversimplification, if not demonstrably false. But what really tipped me off was "human sexuality is binary by design", which sounds like creationist/ID rhetoric and is a patently unscientific statement.

Insensitive? If someone has a medical issue I should think it needs to be addressed, especially if it can prevent needless hormone pumping and even suicide.

Needless? It's not really up to you to determine that - that's between the doctor and the patient. Considering 14% of people do need these treatments (if the stats are to be believed), it sure be nice if they were listened to instead of their needs being called "needless."

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Choosing to be trans... Each of our actions cause reactions!

One does not choose to be trans, or gay, or bi, or asexual, or even hetero. No more than we choose our nationality, native hair or skin color, ethnicity of our family or community, the language we learn to speak.

And yes, our actions cause reactions--and our reactions can affect how other people develop or behave. Making it clear to children that they MUST BE the gender their parents tell them from birth, when their biology and life experience is telling them otherwise, is a good way to make a person grow up crazy.

 

[SomeRandom]

1. Human sexuality is an objective biological binary trait: “XY” and “XX” are genetic markers of health – not genetic markers of a disorder. The norm for human design is to be conceived either male or female. Human sexuality is binary by design with the obvious purpose being the reproduction and flourishing of our species. This principle is self-evident. The exceedingly rare disorders of sex development (DSDs), including but not limited to testicular feminization and congenital adrenal hyperplasia, are all medically identifiable deviations from the sexual binary norm, and are rightly recognized as disorders of human design. Individuals with DSDs do not constitute a third sex.1

Human sexuality encompasses things like personal identity, sexual fantasies, sexual behavior to an extent and other psychological factors. In fact there's an entire scientific discipline devoted to studying the varying nuances. It's called Sexology.
Disorders of human design? With the obvious purpose of the reproduction and flourishing of our species? What are they creationist biologist hybrids?

*Googles individual MDs.*
Michelle A. Cretella, M.D.-Oh, an anti gay advocate and promoter of NARTH.
Quentin Van Meter, M.D.- He seems to come up an awful lot among anti gay groups.
Paul McHugh, M.D.- Notorious anti transgender doctor commonly used by social conservatives to bolster outdated claims about gender norms. Though I hasten to add he still is quite the distinguished researcher.
Ahh okay, now that makes more sense. I don't mean to ad hominem these guys. But this does rather seem like an oversimplification of many issues, dressed up to appear legit.

 

[Terese]

Regarding what? There are many things to comment on.

On gender ideology, and that if you think it actually harms children.

 

[Revoltingest]

Human sexuality encompasses things like personal identity, sexual fantasies, sexual behavior to an extent and other psychological factors. In fact there's an entire scientific discipline devoted to studying the varying nuances. It's called Sexology.
Disorders of human design? With the obvious purpose of the reproduction and flourishing of our species? What are they creationist biologist hybrids?

*Googles individual MDs.*
Michelle A. Cretella, M.D.-Oh, an anti gay advocate and promoter of NARTH.
Quentin Van Meter, M.D.- He seems to come up an awful lot among anti gay groups.
Paul McHugh, M.D.- Notorious anti transgender doctor commonly used by social conservatives to bolster outdated claims about gender norms. Though I hasten to add he still is quite the distinguished researcher.
Ahh okay, now that makes more sense. I don't mean to ad hominem these guys. But this does rather seem like an oversimplification of many issues, dressed up to appear legit.

It sheds light on the shortcomings of the article.
So I wouldn't call this info an ad hominem argument.

 

[SomeRandom]

It sheds light on the shortcomings of the article.
So I wouldn't call this info an ad hominem argument.

Oh... Cool!

 

[LuisDantas]

I can only assume the article linked to in the OP is somehow a fake, despite the seemingly-official title of its host.

It is certainly a load of bull.

 

[SomeRandom]

I always wonder when someone brings up XX and XY as objective gender. If they're not even related bachelor degrees, it's acceptable. But how is it possible that MDs who sign a statement like this don't know even about the XX male syndrome?

Good point! I remember learning about other types of chromosomal things in freaking grade 10 Biology class!