Gender Neutral Bathrooms converted back

[Revoltingest]

The person scares easily, I think.

Maybe part of the problem is our culture teaches us to be so damned scared of each other.

Also, Jenner has long hair, boobs, women's clothing.
She is simply a large unattractive woman.
If this frightens the snowflake, she'd have issue
with some cis women I know. Should there be
a sign on lavatories....
YOU MUST BE SHORTER THAN THIS LINE TO ENTER.
IF TALLER, USE THE MEN'S RESTROOM.

 

[JustGeorge]

Also, Jenner has long hair, boobs, women's clothing.
She is simply a large unattractive woman.
If this frightens the snowflake, she'd have issue
with some cis women I know. Should there be
a sign on lavatories....
YOU MUST BE SHORTER THAN THIS LINE TO ENTER.
IF TALLER, USE THE MEN'S RESTROOM.

I remember bringing up the 'potty issue' with the UUYouth class we taught years ago... one boy said "I really don't know about all of this, but if you're wearing a skirt, are wearing make up, and look more like my mom than my dad, I really don't want you at the urinal next to me, and I would prefer if you went to the women's room."

I thought the rule in public restrooms was not to make eye contact, scurry along, and if anyone's doing anything alarming, contact management.

 

[Revoltingest]

I remember bringing up the 'potty issue' with the UUYouth class we taught years ago... one boy said "I really don't know about all of this, but if you're wearing a skirt, are wearing make up, and look more like my mom than my dad, I really don't want you at the urinal next to me, and I would prefer if you went to the women's room."

I thought the rule in public restrooms was not to make eye contact, scurry along, and if anyone's doing anything alarming, contact management.

In men's rooms, we don't check each other out.
At least not in the ones I've used.

True story....
John Wayne was always known for damp pants
& the smell of urine. The reason was this typical
encounter....

Scene: 2 men stand at a urinal. Fluids freely flow.
Bob: Turns towards John.
Bob: "Hey, aren't you John Wayne?"
John: "Turn off that thing, & holster it, Pilgrim!"

 

[JustGeorge]

In men's rooms, we don't check each other out.
At least not in the ones I've used.

In the women's room, most of us are too busy searching for a clean toilet to pay attention to the other people.

True story....
John Wayne was always known for damp pants
& the smell of urine. The reason was this typical
encounter....

Scene: 2 men stand at a urinal. Fluids freely flow.
Bob: Turns towards John.
Bob: "Hey, aren't you John Wayne?"
John: "Turn off that thing, & holster it, Pilgrim!"

That would be a problem.

 

[Revoltingest]

In the women's room, most of us are too busy searching for a clean toilet to pay attention to the other people.

That would be a problem.

I appreciate my anonymity.

 

[icehorse]

I'd say its time to examine why we're so scared of each other.

If you spend a little time with your favorite search engine you can learn a little about how common it is for men to assault women. Men's physical and violent dominance over women is ancient, and it's baked into our DNA. It is absolutely appropriate for women to be on guard.

As a husband and father of daughters, I find your callousness to be positively gobsmacking.

 

[Revoltingest]

If you spend a little time with your favorite search engine you can learn a little about how common it is for men to assault women. Men's physical and violent dominance over women is ancient, and it's baked into our DNA. It is absolutely appropriate for women to be on guard.

As a husband and father of daughters, I find your callousness to be positively gobsmacking.

Men assault men too.
Perhaps they should be banned from men's rooms, eh.

Anyway, trans women are women, not men.
Duh.

 

[icehorse]

Also, Jenner has long hair, boobs, women's clothing.
She is simply a large unattractive woman.
If this frightens the snowflake, she'd have issue
with some cis women I know. Should there be
a sign on lavatories....
YOU MUST BE SHORTER THAN THIS LINE TO ENTER.
IF TALLER, USE THE MEN'S RESTROOM.

My wife and daughters feel so foolish now that you've cleared things up

 

[icehorse]

Men assault men too.
Perhaps they should be banned from men's rooms, eh.

Anyway, trans women are women, not men.
Duh.

good to see you're drinking your koolaid on a regular basis, you'd hate to get back to reality.

 

[JustGeorge]

If you spend a little time with your favorite search engine you can learn a little about how common it is for men to assault women. Men's physical and violent dominance over women is ancient, and it's baked into our DNA. It is absolutely appropriate for women to be on guard.

Callouses? When did my feet get brought into this?

But, why just be on guard in the restroom, then? Be on guard everywhere!

I once had a would-be rapist sneak up on me in my own home, while I was doing the dishes. (I'm a woman, if you weren't aware.) My husband's been sexually abused by a woman, and had a man attempt to drug him and his friend for such violence as well.

You also have to consider men are less likely to report such things from humiliation.

As a husband and father of daughters, I find your callousness to be positively gobsmacking.

As a wife and mother of sons(one of whom is notably disabled and would be unable to speak for himself in the restroom), I find your lack of concern for safety for all to be constipating. (Hey, its a big word!)

 

[icehorse]

As a wife and mother of sons(one of whom is notably disabled and would be unable to speak for himself in the restroom), I find your lack of concern for safety for all to be constipating. (Hey, its a big word!)

When did I say that?

 

[JustGeorge]

When did I say that?

You didn't say it, but I would be absolutely shocked if I found you pushing for safety in the men's room.

Not saying that it comes across you're against safety in the men's room. Merely, that it doesn't concern you because you big manly men can take care of yourselves over there.

Those are my impressions, anyways.

 

[icehorse]

But, why just be on guard in the restroom, then? Be on guard everywhere!

I once had a would-be rapist sneak up on me in my own home, while I was doing the dishes. (I'm a woman, if you weren't aware.) My husband's been sexually abused by a woman, and had a man attempt to drug him and his friend for such violence as well.

You also have to consider men are less likely to report such things from humiliation.

Your personal anecdotes are of little comfort to the hundreds of millions of women who have been assaulted by men.

 

[icehorse]

You didn't say it, but I would be absolutely shocked if I found you pushing for safety in the men's room.

Not saying that it comes across you're against safety in the men's room. Merely, that it doesn't concern you because you big manly men can take care of yourselves over there.

Those are my impressions, anyways.

Seems like classic "what-about-ism" to me, correct?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Your personal anecdotes are of little comfort [...]

And just a few posts ago...

My wife and daughters feel so foolish now that you've cleared things up

Not to mention that you have brought up (supposed) personal anecdotes about "LGBs who don't want to be lumped in with Ts" in other threads.

Your investment in a resentful ideology and fixation on trans people have reached the point where you are now openly minimizing and disparaging the input of women who disagree with you, including the accusation of misogyny that you made in post #39.

This is just unfortunate to watch.

 

[Orbit]

Your personal anecdotes are of little comfort to the hundreds of millions of women who have been assaulted by men.

Your personal anecdotes are of little comfort to the hundreds of millions of women who have been assaulted by men.

Your personal anecdotes are of little comfort to the hundreds of millions of women who have been assaulted by men.

Have some facts:

Gender Identity Nondiscrimination Laws in Public Accommodations: a Review of Evidence Regarding Safety and Privacy in Public Restrooms, Locker Rooms, and Changing Rooms - Sexuality Research and Social Policy

Legislation, regulations, litigation, and ballot propositions affecting public restroom access for transgender people increased drastically in the last three years. Opponents of gender identity inclusive public accommodations nondiscrimination laws often cite fear of safety and privacy...

link.springer.com

 

[Orbit]

If you spend a little time with your favorite search engine you can learn a little about how common it is for men to assault women. Men's physical and violent dominance over women is ancient, and it's baked into our DNA. It is absolutely appropriate for women to be on guard.

As a husband and father of daughters, I find your callousness to be positively gobsmacking.

"
“Over 200 municipalities and 18 states have nondiscrimination laws protecting transgender people’s access to facilities consistent with the gender they live every day,” according to the coalition. "None of those jurisdictions have [sic] seen a rise in sexual violence or other public safety issues due to nondiscrimination laws. Assaulting another person in a restroom or changing room remains against the law in every single state.”

Strangio also noted that allowing transgender people to use the bathroom corresponding to their gender identity “doesn’t increase in any way public safety incidents.”

There are two central falsehoods to the legislators’ reasoning, Strangio said. One is "that transgender people aren’t real and [are] inherently dangerous.” The second falsehood is that without HB2, "non-transgender people will take advantage" of the situation -- for example, a man could dress up as a woman to enter a woman's bathroom.

“All this does is to heighten gender policing of everyone by law enforcement, and individual people who do not conform to gender norms are targeted," Strangio said."

Sexual Assault and Domestic Violence Organizations Debunk 'Bathroom Predator Myth'

The myth does more harm than good, transgender advocates say.

abcnews.go.com

 

[icehorse]

“All this does is to heighten gender policing of everyone by law enforcement, and individual people who do not conform to gender norms are targeted," Strangio said."

No one is saying trans people are more violent.

In the US, 1/6 of women have been the victim of rape. And men do 99% of the raping. The point is that NORMALIZING the idea of allowing people who look like men into women's safe spaces is a bad idea.

Did you read the essay in the OP? Do you somehow think women who have those fears and dread should somehow "get over themselves" ?

 

[Orbit]

No one is saying trans people are more violent.

In the US, 1/6 of women have been the victim of rape. And men do 99% of the raping. The point is that NORMALIZING the idea of allowing people who look like men into women's safe spaces is a bad idea.

Did you read the essay in the OP? Do you somehow think women who have those fears and dread should somehow "get over themselves" ?

Did YOU read the articles I linked? They completely debunk your position.

 

[icehorse]

Did YOU read the articles I linked? They completely debunk your position.

I disagree with the "debunking" conclusion. The first study was done in Mass. only, and as we know, the general concensus these days is that individual studies are often suspect, and we need meta-studies. The second article contained zero citations.

But regardless, the fear and dread are there, and they are there for a reason. And you seem willing to subject ALL women to increased negative feelings for what again, to accommodate a handful of people?