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Gender Roles

Drolefille

PolyPanGeekGirl
Mystic can type for herself and My claim was specific to XY only and she agreed she knew that.

What you said was "men" what you MEANT was "XY individuals"
The two overlap but are not synonymous. By saying "men" when you mean "males" or "XY individuals" you're at best being imprecise and at worse being exclusionary.

The funny bit is, you ignored the rest of it that had some helpful information to correct your misunderstandings of the X and Y chromosome.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I do not believe in specific gender roles other than pregnancy. Men can not take the role of pregnancy. Women and men can adjust to all other roles.

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Oh, and there's lot trans women who have impregnated females. Transsexualism has biological correlations, as well. Our brains are more like the brains of the sex we identify as. So it's all very blurry.
 

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Do you believe there should be strict gender roles in daily settings? If so, why? And what are they?
No.

It is not possible to only have the XY chromosomal makeup and have female genitalia unless surgery is better than I am aware.
It's very possible.

People born with Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome are born with XY chromosomes but have female external genitalia, and are entirely female in appearance, but the have hidden internal testes instead of ovaries. They're actually generally somewhat more feminine in appearance than the average woman, because women still have a bit of testosterone, but these women have complete immunity from it. Basically what happens is, a genetically male fetus has a condition that makes the fetus entirely immune from the effects of testosterone, and so it never turns into a male, for the most part. The tissue that could become a clitoris or a penis remains a clitoris, and for these girls, they are sometimes raised without any clue by themselves or their parents that they have XY chromosomes until puberty when they don't menstruate and they get an MRI or a genetics test or something and find out what the issue is, and then they continue to live as female.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Think bouncer at an understaffed night spot with frequently rowdy visitors.

Hi....

In the UK a bouncer (we call 'em door-supervisors :D) is as likely to be female. Female DS's handled rowdy blokes better than males imo (I trained 'em). And Female DS's knew when it was best to stay back and call in the cops, rather than wade in and get overwhelmed. But don't think they can't do it...... blimey, they were deadly.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Hi....

In the UK a bouncer (we call 'em door-supervisors :D) is as likely to be female. Female DS's handled rowdy blokes better than males imo (I trained 'em). And Female DS's knew when it was best to stay back and call in the cops, rather than wade in and get overwhelmed. But don't think they can't do it...... blimey, they were deadly.
Deadly especially if they know some martial arts.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Deadly especially if they know some martial arts.

OK......
In the UK they have to be trained in release, hold and restrain techniques.

But gender is leveling out here. Over the last few years I have noticed that young males (on average) are losing any edge that they might have held in 'spacial awareness'....... that is really interesting.
 

NewGuyOnTheBlock

Cult Survivor/Fundamentalist Pentecostal Apostate
I believe that there are gender roles; however, those gender roles are not to be static, but flexible; and neither should gender roles be prisons and neither should they be forced. Gender roles are determined, imo, by the needs of the society in question. In our current society, with our survival needs cared for through science and technology, there is little need for gender roles. Go back 6,000 years and the male's greater, natural, physical strength increases the liklihood that the man could defend the tribe and bring home the successful hunt; and the babies required nutrition from the breasts of women as there were no other viable, known options. Thus, these traditional gender roles were important to the survival of the family and the tribe. Today, all that's needed to put food on the table is earning a livelihood, creating the need for the another to care for the children. Both genders are equally capable of performing either function in our day and age, thus the gender roles change or disappear as the need is no longer there.
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Do you believe there should be strict gender roles in daily settings? If so, why? And what are they?

There definitely should not be strictly defined gender roles, as it both inefficient and limiting to artificially restrict people to certain tasks. On the other hand, even in more egalitarian households and societies, it does seem that many couples naturally separate many tasks along relatively consistent gender lines, and I don't think this is necessarily problematic.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
There definitely should not be strictly defined gender roles, as it both inefficient and limiting to artificially restrict people to certain tasks. On the other hand, even in more egalitarian households and societies, it does seem that many couples naturally separate many tasks along relatively consistent gender lines, and I don't think this is necessarily problematic.
Well, someone has to be in charge of the household because a guy would just ruin it all as soon as he said "hey! watch this!":p
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Couldn't someone offer a lap at that point?
No kidding. And what kind of health are these 30 year old's in? Does one of them seem likely to die of a heart attack any day now anyways? Is one of them terminal? Are they both in perfect health?
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Like if a Ship is sinking, who should be given more preference for the last remaining lifeboat seat, a 30 yr old Mother or 30 yr old Father.

Who is meatier? I think you should save the meatier person such in case we have to resort to cannibalism.
 

SkylarHunter

Active Member
I think roles should be given according to people's habitability and each individual should have the right to choose what he/she wants to do independently of gender/color of their skin/religion etc... People are all different and we need to stop stereotyping.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
On the other hand, even in more egalitarian households and societies, it does seem that many couples naturally separate many tasks along relatively consistent gender lines, and I don't think this is necessarily problematic.

I've read that in nearly every culture known of, women usually have the task of food preparation and distribution. I say, "usually", because there are male chefs in some cultures. But they are vastly outnumbered by the number of women in the same cultures who are primarily responsible for food preparation and distribution in their own families.
 

Cardboard

Member
I think roles should be given according to people's habitability and each individual should have the right to choose what he/she wants to do independently of gender/color of their skin/religion etc... People are all different and we need to stop stereotyping.

Idealisticaly , yes, but grouping and pattern recognition is how the human brain works, and is a basic human survival tool, asking people to stop stereotyping or generalizing is not possible.

The negative or positive of these stereotypes is up to the majority of any given group.
 
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