Genesis 1:26 and the Trinity

[lostwanderingsoul]

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moorea944 Your words... The Word is not Jesus yet. The "Word" is LOGOS in Greek, means someone's thoughts, reasons, plans. This is the word of God, God's plans, being manifested in a man, the Lord Jesus Christ. The word was with God. Of course it was, that was His LOGOS. Jesus doesnt come into play until verse 14.

I reply: The Word is God' thoughts! ..... God spoke and he created! ......
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

moorea944 I said it before but it is worth repeating... Christians have always believed Jesus is God! The scriptures tell you "Jesus is God!" You are forced to reject the scriptures or twist the words of God until they say what you want them to say!.. God's words... "My Lord & God"! Blessed are those who believe as You!
moorea944.. God's words... Jesus is "ALWAYS with his Church to the end of Time"!
God's words... Jesus built on ROCK; his Church will never fail! The Church Jesus built on ROCK does NOT need to be Re-Formed because it has never failed!
God's words... Jesus commissioned his CHURCH to teach all nations; To the very end of Time!
God's words... The Body of Jesus is His Holy Church... His Church has ALWAYS taught "Jesus is God"!
1 John 4:6
We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood.

moorea944 You reject the Spirit of Truth! You have placed your salvation in the lies taught by the spirit of falsehood.
All of the many man made Churches that have sprung out of the great De-Formation teach they must come to God' rescue and Build the Church Jesus lost! AS IF....

moorea944 as if Satan somehow overpowered Jesus and Satan TOOK the body of Jesus from Jesus! To teach this they all MUST reject the scriptures! You reject the scriptures to believe different then what Christians have ALWAYS taught; "Jesus is God"!
1 John 4:6
We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us;

It was a man that taught Jesus is Not God!... Arius WAS a Christian UNTILL he was removed from AMONG Christians because of his FALSE TEACHING!
moorea944 This is PROPHESY....
2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.

Christians were NOT Among Arius! This Prophesy can only work in the one direction! Arius was AMONG Christians! You believe the teaching of a False Teacher! You believe what Christians have REJECTED! Arius was part of the Way Of Truth until he was rejected Jesus is God!

I have a serious question. Is it ever possible that the Greek "logos" could also mean a spokesman or someone who speaks for another person. Or even a spokesman foe a company. A famous person might be the spokesman for a company. Would he ever be described a the logos for the company?

 

[Dogknox20]

GINOLJC, to All.
Not saying that any is Right or Wrong,, (not having read all the post), coming in on the tail end of this discussion.
But consider this. everyone believe that the Lord Jesus cannot Lie ...... agreed. based on that, lets see what the Lord Jesus say about the "US", and the "Our" in Genesis 1:26. but first, lets READ Genesis 1:27 before we hear the Lord Jesus answer. Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."
well now, how did God go from a plurality of "US" and "OUR" in Genesis 1:26 to a singularity of "his", and "he" in the very next verse Genesis 1:27?. from looking over a few post, one member kind of hit on it, moorea944. in that God is a H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') which is the plural of H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah). and this is where we will find our answer. but as promised, lets here the Lord Jesus answer.

while speaking with some Pharisees concerning divorcement, the Lord Jesus made this startling, or eye opening revelation, lets hear the record. Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?"Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female," so according to the Lord Jesus, God is a "HE" and not THEY/US/OUR who made man Male and Female. now, knowing this, that the Lord Jesus cannot lie, God is a HE. this is confirmed that the He in in Matthews 19:4 is God, our brother Mark confims this. Mark 10:5 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept." Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."
so God is a "HE" a single person just as Genesis 1:27 states. so what are we to do with Genesis 1:26 that contains "US", and "OUR". now, knowing that the bible don't LIE, nor the Lord Jesus, then we have to repent, meaning to CHANGE one's mind about God.

and our answer comes in Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:" in the definition of "ONE".
H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

definition #2 gives us the answer as to why God is the H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem'), which is the plural of H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah).
when one understand this, then one can understand why God in Genesis 1:26 said "let "US" and "OUR"
PICJAG, 101G.

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Hello 101G.... Good to meet you.
I say you hit the nail right on the head... God is ONE but three persons! "Us" "Our" fits and so does "He"!
Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

God is Father = He! God is Son = Jesus & God is = Holy Spirit!
Adam became like One of the three... Jesus is the LIFE! The Holy Spirit knows the mind of God.. Adam became like the Holy Spirit!
Jesus is "The Life of the world"!
101G Adam was taken away from the tree of Life so he died! Man has access to the Life, Man has access to the True Manna!

47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

101G. Jesus is the true Manna! Jesus came down from heaven....
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
101G. God lived among us!

18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Jesus has seen God; he is God, he is One of "Our" and "Us"!

 

[101G]

I have a serious question. Is it ever possible that the Greek "logos" could also mean a spokesman or someone who speaks for another person. Or even a spokesman foe a company. A famous person might be the spokesman for a company. Would he ever be described a the logos for the company?

Greeting, The Logos is the express IMAGE of God, (who is invisible), the Lord Jesus is our VISUAL EXAMPLE. not a agent of or for God, but God himself Shared in Flesh in a shared G2758 κενόω kenoo state. meaning JESUS is God in Flesh as the "ARM" of God in flesh, per Isaiah 63:5.
PICJAG, 101G

 

[101G]

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Hello 101G.... Good to meet you.
I say you hit the nail right on the head... God is ONE but three persons! "Us" "Our" fits and so does "He"!
Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

God is Father = He! God is Son = Jesus & God is = Holy Spirit!
Adam became like One of the three... Jesus is the LIFE! The Holy Spirit knows the mind of God.. Adam became like the Holy Spirit!
Jesus is "The Life of the world"!
101G Adam was taken away from the tree of Life so he died! Man has access to the Life, Man has access to the True Manna!

47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

101G. Jesus is the true Manna! Jesus came down from heaven....
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
101G. God lived among us!

18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

Jesus has seen God; he is God, he is One of "Our" and "Us"!

Thanks for the reply, glad to meet you also. but God is ONE person in a "DIVERSE" state. the "us" and the "our" in Genesis 1:26 is to come.... meaning in Ordinal designation as First/Father, and Last/Son who is the same one person.
let me give you an example. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." study this verse carefully. the First who is the "LORD" who is "with" the Last... sound like two separate person do it not? error, it's one person, listen, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." God who is the "First" is ALSO the Last one person, just as in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
so the Word in John 1:1 is God, just as the First is the Last the same one person, and here is the direct evidence.... John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24. Read both verse carefully.
again thanks for the reply.

PICJAG, 101G.

 

[Dogknox20]

I have a serious question. Is it ever possible that the Greek "logos" could also mean a spokesman or someone who speaks for another person. Or even a spokesman foe a company. A famous person might be the spokesman for a company. Would he ever be described a the logos for the company?

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.....Hello lostwanderingsoul. I hope all is well....
Logos
[ˈlōɡōs]
NOUN
theology

1. the Word of God, or principle of divine reason and creative order, identified in the Gospel of John with the second person of the Trinity incarnate in Jesus Christ.(in Jungian psychology) the principle of reason and judgment, associated with the animus.Often contrasted with Eros......................................................................

WEBSTERS
*the divine wisdom manifest in the creation, government, and redemption of the world and often identified with the second person of the Trinity
*reason that in ancient Greek philosophy is the controlling principle in the universe

Good question.. I am not sure all I have is these two definitions!
God (Jesus) commissioned his Holy Church to make disciples of all nations! He gave all of God' Authority to them to accomplish the task! Remember when you speak for another person you speak as if they are doing the speaking! You represent them, much like the Ambassador represents the country with the AUTHORITY of the country! The President represents us, the Mayor represents the city, he speaks with AUTHORITY of the city! The Dean represents the school he speaks with AUTHORITY of the school!

18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Make Disciples speaking for the Father, in the Father' name, with all the authority of the Father!
Make Disciples speaking for the Son in the Son' name, with all the authority of the Son!
Make Disciples speaking for the Holy Spirit in the name of the HS, with all the authority of the HS! Representing GOD, speaking for GOD make his Children!

Disciples are made by Baptism!
lostwanderingsoul Disciples are God' Children! God's children are made by Baptism! make disciples of all nations, baptizing
Matthew 12:49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. IF...

lostwanderingsoul if Jesus is your brother then God would be your father! Logic alone says; if Jesus is your BROTHER the Mary would be your mother!
Honor your Father AND Mother! Jesus honors Mary his Mother he MUST Honor Her God commands it! If Jesus sinned he would not be perfect he would not be God!

Happy New Year

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Greeting, The Logos is the express IMAGE of God, (who is invisible), the Lord Jesus is our VISUAL EXAMPLE. not a agent of or for God, but God himself Shared in Flesh in a shared G2758 κενόω kenoo state. meaning JESUS is God in Flesh as the "ARM" of God in flesh, per Isaiah 63:5.
PICJAG, 101G

Thank you. I was not looking for a religious answer. I was just asking about the Greek word logos. Could it ever mean a person who speaks for another person or a company. Not in a religious way but like in a TV commercial. Would it ever be correct to say that a certain person is the logod for a ceetain company?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

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.....Hello lostwanderingsoul. I hope all is well....
Logos
[ˈlōɡōs]
NOUN
theology

1. the Word of God, or principle of divine reason and creative order, identified in the Gospel of John with the second person of the Trinity incarnate in Jesus Christ.(in Jungian psychology) the principle of reason and judgment, associated with the animus.Often contrasted with Eros......................................................................

WEBSTERS
*the divine wisdom manifest in the creation, government, and redemption of the world and often identified with the second person of the Trinity
*reason that in ancient Greek philosophy is the controlling principle in the universe

Good question.. I am not sure all I have is these two definitions!
God (Jesus) commissioned his Holy Church to make disciples of all nations! He gave all of God' Authority to them to accomplish the task! Remember when you speak for another person you speak as if they are doing the speaking! You represent them, much like the Ambassador represents the country with the AUTHORITY of the country! The President represents us, the Mayor represents the city, he speaks with AUTHORITY of the city! The Dean represents the school he speaks with AUTHORITY of the school!

18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Make Disciples speaking for the Father, in the Father' name, with all the authority of the Father!
Make Disciples speaking for the Son in the Son' name, with all the authority of the Son!
Make Disciples speaking for the Holy Spirit in the name of the HS, with all the authority of the HS! Representing GOD, speaking for GOD make his Children!

Disciples are made by Baptism!
lostwanderingsoul Disciples are God' Children! God's children are made by Baptism! make disciples of all nations, baptizing
Matthew 12:49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. IF...

lostwanderingsoul if Jesus is your brother then God would be your father! Logic alone says; if Jesus is your BROTHER the Mary would be your mother!
Honor your Father AND Mother! Jesus honors Mary his Mother he MUST Honor Her God commands it! If Jesus sinned he would not be perfect he would not be God!

Happy New Year

Please see post # 86. Thank you.

 

[Dogknox20]

Thanks for the reply, glad to meet you also. but God is ONE person in a "DIVERSE" state. the "us" and the "our" in Genesis 1:26 is to come.... meaning in Ordinal designation as First/Father, and Last/Son who is the same one person.
let me give you an example. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." study this verse carefully. the First who is the "LORD" who is "with" the Last... sound like two separate person do it not? error, it's one person, listen, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." God who is the "First" is ALSO the Last one person, just as in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
so the Word in John 1:1 is God, just as the First is the Last the same one person, and here is the direct evidence.... John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24. Read both verse carefully.
again thanks for the reply.

PICJAG, 101G.

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Hello.101G
I reply.. Scriptures are very clear... "God is Love!"
1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. >>>>> God is "Prefect"! NO ONE....

.101G no one can love self! Self love is selfishness; It's called "Indifference" the lack of interest, concern, or sympathy. God is Perfect, he loves perfectly!
To have Perfect love you need.. You MUST have (2) two! Two people then you can love perfectly! One person? then it is impossible to have love!
In the beginning there was TWO.. TWO.. TWO.. not just ONE! "The WORD" was with the God in the beginning! NOT....

101G not until a mother gives birth does the Father gain the title of "Father"; God gained the title "Father" at the birth of "The Word"! The word gained the title "Son" at his birth!

22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

One of US.. is God , The Word ,The Holy Spirit! Perfect love Creates... The Prefect Love of God created the Holy Spirit! The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son!
To help wrap our minds around this.. The *** split second there was God there had to be THREE (3) God & the Word in perfect Love made the Holy Spirit! IF...

101G If the Holy Spirit did not proceeds from the Father and the Son then God' love would be sterile it would then be Imperfect! Perfect love creates!

***God is outside of time BUT to help understand I used "Time"!

 

[moorea944]

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Hello.101G
I reply.. Scriptures are very clear... "God is Love!"
1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. >>>>> God is "Prefect"! NO ONE....

.101G no one can love self! Self love is selfishness; It's called "Indifference" the lack of interest, concern, or sympathy. God is Perfect, he loves perfectly!
To have Perfect love you need.. You MUST have (2) two! Two people then you can love perfectly! One person? then it is impossible to have love!
In the beginning there was TWO.. TWO.. TWO.. not just ONE! "The WORD" was with the God in the beginning! NOT....

101G not until a mother gives birth does the Father gain the title of "Father"; God gained the title "Father" at the birth of "The Word"! The word gained the title "Son" at his birth!

22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

One of US.. is God , The Word ,The Holy Spirit! Perfect love Creates... The Prefect Love of God created the Holy Spirit! The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son!
To help wrap our minds around this.. The *** split second there was God there had to be THREE (3) God & the Word in perfect Love made the Holy Spirit! IF...

101G If the Holy Spirit did not proceeds from the Father and the Son then God' love would be sterile it would then be Imperfect! Perfect love creates!

***God is outside of time BUT to help understand I used "Time"!

[To have Perfect love you need.. You MUST have (2) two! Two people then you can love perfectly! One person? then it is impossible to have love!
In the beginning there was TWO.. TWO.. TWO.. not just ONE! "The WORD" was with the God in the beginning! NOT....]
I really dont know where your getting this from. But it is definitely throwing you off!!!!
The "Word" that your talking about is God's word, his plans, his thoughts. It is not talking about Jesus pre-existing or anything like that. It's only one person, not two here. And to think God cant love without someone else? who's teaching you this?.... God is love, period..

 

[101G]

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Hello.101G
I reply.. Scriptures are very clear... "God is Love!"
1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. >>>>> God is "Prefect"! NO ONE....

.101G no one can love self! Self love is selfishness; It's called "Indifference" the lack of interest, concern, or sympathy. God is Perfect, he loves perfectly!
To have Perfect love you need.. You MUST have (2) two! Two people then you can love perfectly! One person? then it is impossible to have love!
In the beginning there was TWO.. TWO.. TWO.. not just ONE! "The WORD" was with the God in the beginning! NOT....

101G not until a mother gives birth does the Father gain the title of "Father"; God gained the title "Father" at the birth of "The Word"! The word gained the title "Son" at his birth!

22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

One of US.. is God , The Word ,The Holy Spirit! Perfect love Creates... The Prefect Love of God created the Holy Spirit! The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son!
To help wrap our minds around this.. The *** split second there was God there had to be THREE (3) God & the Word in perfect Love made the Holy Spirit! IF...

101G If the Holy Spirit did not proceeds from the Father and the Son then God' love would be sterile it would then be Imperfect! Perfect love creates!

***God is outside of time BUT to help understand I used "Time"!

First thanks for the reply, but that is in Carnal/Flesh terms, God is a. Spirit, and is. ETERNAL. so those terms do not apply.

101G not until a mother gives birth does the Father gain the title of "Father"; God gained the title "Father" at the birth of "The Word"! The word gained the title "Son" at his birth!

see, his son, (his POWER, his Word), is Actually HIM. and the correct title Father belong to the HOLY SPIRIT, if we think carnal we are then carnal. listen, in your concept, "not until a mother gives birth does the Father gain the title of "Father". well in this case it is the Holy Spirit that hold that title then, supportive scripture, Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." is not the conceiver of a child the Father? so the Holy Spirit holds that title then ... Father, if one thinks carnal.

and the "ONE OF US" is speaking prophetic in Linear Time, because God is ETERNAL. so the US is to Come in Time, supportive scripture, Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law," ok, STOP and THINK, if God sent forth his Son, then the Son was already before the flesh was born. what TIME... Linier Time, because God is ETERNAL.
so the US and the "WE" as in Genesis 1:26 was to come in Linear Time. this is why the sun was created, and made to shine on day 4.
see when God says US or OUR in the BEGINNING, he is speaking prophetic of himself to come. supportive scripture, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"

and the question you stated, "101G If the Holy Spirit did not proceeds from the Father and the Son then God' love would be sterile it would then be Imperfect! Perfect love creates! " well the Holy Spirit is the Father and the Son., the same one person. supportive scripture, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."
who was in the prophets of OLD? the Spirit of Christ which is the Holy Spirit. scripture, 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." so the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit, if not then one has two "Spirit". for in Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." same Spirit, same Person.
Hope this helps.
PICJAG, 101G.

 

[101G]

Thank you. I was not looking for a religious answer. I was just asking about the Greek word logos. Could it ever mean a person who speaks for another person or a company. Not in a religious way but like in a TV commercial. Would it ever be correct to say that a certain person is the logod for a ceetain company?

an agent.
PICJAG, 101G.

 

[Dogknox20]

First thanks for the reply, but that is in Carnal/Flesh terms, God is a. Spirit, and is. ETERNAL. so those terms do not apply.

see, his son, (his POWER, his Word), is Actually HIM. and the correct title Father belong to the HOLY SPIRIT, if we think carnal we are then carnal. listen, in your concept, "not until a mother gives birth does the Father gain the title of "Father". well in this case it is the Holy Spirit that hold that title then, supportive scripture, Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." is not the conceiver of a child the Father? so the Holy Spirit holds that title then ... Father, if one thinks carnal.

and the "ONE OF US" is speaking prophetic in Linear Time, because God is ETERNAL. so the US is to Come in Time, supportive scripture, Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law," ok, STOP and THINK, if God sent forth his Son, then the Son was already before the flesh was born. what TIME... Linier Time, because God is ETERNAL.
so the US and the "WE" as in Genesis 1:26 was to come in Linear Time. this is why the sun was created, and made to shine on day 4.
see when God says US or OUR in the BEGINNING, he is speaking prophetic of himself to come. supportive scripture, Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"

and the question you stated, "101G If the Holy Spirit did not proceeds from the Father and the Son then God' love would be sterile it would then be Imperfect! Perfect love creates! " well the Holy Spirit is the Father and the Son., the same one person. supportive scripture, 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."
who was in the prophets of OLD? the Spirit of Christ which is the Holy Spirit. scripture, 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." so the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit, if not then one has two "Spirit". for in Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." same Spirit, same Person.
Hope this helps.
PICJAG, 101G.

Right you are.. One God three persons!
Jesus sent the Holy Spirit!
John 14:26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
John 15:26
The Work of the Holy Spirit
“When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.
John 16:7
But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.

101G The Holy Spirit hovered over the waters making all that comes out of the waters holy!
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Jesus is the creator of all things! Jesus is God!
The Holy Spirit hovered over Mary but Jesus is called "Son of God"! Three Persons One God! Scriptures tell you "God is LOVE"!
Perfect LOVE must be THREE..(3) The two in union with PERFECT Love and the result of the PERFECT Love!

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

an agent.
PICJAG, 101G.

So let me understand. Could a "logos" be an agent?

 

[moorea944]

So let me understand. Could a "logos" be an agent?

Not really. LOGOS is a Greek word that means, someone's thoughts, reasons or plans. So in John 1, the word is LOGOS, it's talking about God's plans.
The word was with God and was God. Absolutely. Plus, the translators put a cap "W" on the word "word".

 

[moorea944]

Right you are.. One God three persons!
Jesus sent the Holy Spirit!
John 14:26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
John 15:26
The Work of the Holy Spirit
“When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.
John 16:7
But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.

101G The Holy Spirit hovered over the waters making all that comes out of the waters holy!
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Jesus is the creator of all things! Jesus is God!
The Holy Spirit hovered over Mary but Jesus is called "Son of God"! Three Persons One God! Scriptures tell you "God is LOVE"!
Perfect LOVE must be THREE..(3) The two in union with PERFECT Love and the result of the PERFECT Love!

Why is Jesus God when there already is God. And we know that the HS is the power of God, we're actually told that in the Psalms from David and the book of Luke. Why does it have to be a person, in your view....

 

[101G]

So let me understand. Could a "logos" be an agent?

was not the "word" made flesh, but in the express image of God, and God is not an agent.....
PICJAG, 101G.

 

[101G]

Right you are.. One God three persons!
Jesus sent the Holy Spirit!
John 14:26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.
John 15:26
The Work of the Holy Spirit
“When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.
John 16:7
But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.

101G The Holy Spirit hovered over the waters making all that comes out of the waters holy!
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Jesus is the creator of all things! Jesus is God!
The Holy Spirit hovered over Mary but Jesus is called "Son of God"! Three Persons One God! Scriptures tell you "God is LOVE"!
Perfect LOVE must be THREE..(3) The two in union with PERFECT Love and the result of the PERFECT Love!

FIRST THANKS FOR THE REPLY, SECOND "JESUS" IS THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND HE CAME ON PENTECOST. listen, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
question, the "Comforter" the Holy Spirit is to be with us for EVER... correct, now listen, Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." so if the Lord Jesus sent the Holy Spirit and he came also, why sent the Holy Spirit? REMEMBER John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." Dogknox20, it's the same entity, meaning the same PERSON. did you not understand 1 John 2:1 that our Lord Jesus is the "advocate" meaning MEDIATOR or "intercessor" which is what the Holy Spirit is...... understand now.?

you said, "Jesus is the creator of all things! Jesus is God!
The Holy Spirit hovered over Mary but Jesus is called "Son of God"! Three Persons One God! Scriptures tell you "God is LOVE"!"
the first part is correct, Jesus as the Ordinal First, is the CREATOR, for he is the "Spirit" as you said, that, "hovered over Mary", and is the SAME ONE "Spirit" that hovered over the waters in the making of the Earth and the heavens. Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

now Dogknox20, this may come as a surprise to you, but it's truth.... meaning scripture. listen and learn, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;". do you really know what this verse just done? answer, it just eliminated your other two separate and distinct persons from the Godhead. understand, the term "ALONE" and "by myself", indicate one person. listen to the definition of "ALONE". having no one else present. now if the other two are suppose to be omnipresent, well where are they? for "alone" means having no one else present.
re-read this post for clarity, and edification.
hope this help.

PICJAG, 101G

 

[Dogknox20]

Why is Jesus God when there already is God. And we know that the HS is the power of God, we're actually told that in the Psalms from David and the book of Luke. Why does it have to be a person, in your view....

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Hello.moorea944
I reply.. Scriptures are very clear... "God is Love!"
1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. >>>>> God is "Prefect"! NO ONE....

.moorea944 no one can love self! Self love is selfishness; It's called "Indifference" the lack of interest, concern, or sympathy.

God is Perfect, God loves perfectly! God does All Things Perfect! .moorea944 If God did not do anything Perfect he would not be God! God made Adam PERFECT that is what God does because God is Perfect! Again is remind you.." God is Love"!

To have Perfect Love you need.. You MUST have (2) two! Having two people then you can love perfectly! Have just one person; then it is impossible to have love! It would then be impossible to have Perfect Love!
In the beginning there was TWO.. TWO.. TWO.. not just ONE! "The WORD" was with God in the beginning!

22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

One of US.. is God &The Word! Perfect love Creates... The Prefect Love of God and The Word created the Holy Spirit! The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son!
To help wrap our minds around this.. The *** split second there was God there had to be THREE (3) God & the Word in perfect Love from their perfect love proceeds the Holy Spirit! IF...

moorea944 If the Holy Spirit did not proceeds from the Father and the Son then God' love would be sterile, it would then be Imperfect!
moorea944 Perfect love creates, perfect love is NOT sterile!

***God lives is outside of time BUT to help understand I used "Time"!
moorea944 you asked.. Why does it have to be a person, in your view? Simple answer is: Man needed a second Perfect Man to correct the sin of Adam the first perfect man!
The Word became flesh and lived among us... God became part of his own creation!

 

[Dogknox20]

FIRST THANKS FOR THE REPLY, SECOND "JESUS" IS THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND HE CAME ON PENTECOST. listen, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
question, the "Comforter" the Holy Spirit is to be with us for EVER... correct, now listen, Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." so if the Lord Jesus sent the Holy Spirit and he came also, why sent the Holy Spirit? REMEMBER John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." Dogknox20, it's the same entity, meaning the same PERSON. did you not understand 1 John 2:1 that our Lord Jesus is the "advocate" meaning MEDIATOR or "intercessor" which is what the Holy Spirit is...... understand now.?

you said, "Jesus is the creator of all things! Jesus is God!
The Holy Spirit hovered over Mary but Jesus is called "Son of God"! Three Persons One God! Scriptures tell you "God is LOVE"!"
the first part is correct, Jesus as the Ordinal First, is the CREATOR, for he is the "Spirit" as you said, that, "hovered over Mary", and is the SAME ONE "Spirit" that hovered over the waters in the making of the Earth and the heavens. Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

now Dogknox20, this may come as a surprise to you, but it's truth.... meaning scripture. listen and learn, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;". do you really know what this verse just done? answer, it just eliminated your other two separate and distinct persons from the Godhead. understand, the term "ALONE" and "by myself", indicate one person. listen to the definition of "ALONE". having no one else present. now if the other two are suppose to be omnipresent, well where are they? for "alone" means having no one else present.
re-read this post for clarity, and edification.
hope this help.

PICJAG, 101G

101G You asked... if the Lord Jesus sent the Holy Spirit and he came also, why sent the Holy Spirit?

 

[Dogknox20]

FIRST THANKS FOR THE REPLY, SECOND "JESUS" IS THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND HE CAME ON PENTECOST. listen, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
question, the "Comforter" the Holy Spirit is to be with us for EVER... correct, now listen, Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen." so if the Lord Jesus sent the Holy Spirit and he came also, why sent the Holy Spirit? REMEMBER John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." Dogknox20, it's the same entity, meaning the same PERSON. did you not understand 1 John 2:1 that our Lord Jesus is the "advocate" meaning MEDIATOR or "intercessor" which is what the Holy Spirit is...... understand now.?

you said, "Jesus is the creator of all things! Jesus is God!
The Holy Spirit hovered over Mary but Jesus is called "Son of God"! Three Persons One God! Scriptures tell you "God is LOVE"!"
the first part is correct, Jesus as the Ordinal First, is the CREATOR, for he is the "Spirit" as you said, that, "hovered over Mary", and is the SAME ONE "Spirit" that hovered over the waters in the making of the Earth and the heavens. Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

now Dogknox20, this may come as a surprise to you, but it's truth.... meaning scripture. listen and learn, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;". do you really know what this verse just done? answer, it just eliminated your other two separate and distinct persons from the Godhead. understand, the term "ALONE" and "by myself", indicate one person. listen to the definition of "ALONE". having no one else present. now if the other two are suppose to be omnipresent, well where are they? for "alone" means having no one else present.
re-read this post for clarity, and edification.
hope this help.

PICJAG, 101G

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101G You asked... if the Lord Jesus sent the Holy Spirit and he came also, why sent the Holy Spirit? The simple answer is: "The three are one!" Jesus is ALWAYS with his Body "The Church"!
The Church lives she is a living organism! Jesus feeds his body to nourish it.. If you don't eat you die! It's just this simple!

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body.

Jesus feeds his body the "True Manna that has come down from heaven"!
101G Jesus came from heaven!
32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

47 Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

101G Do you believe? Jesus feeds me his body "Jesus is ALWAYS with me to the end of Time! AS LONG....
101G as long as I remain IN Jesus I will have eternal life!!

56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”