Genesis 1:26

[Soapy]

If you really think John 1:1 does not say the Word was with God and that does not mean there were two distinct "persons" present then I cannot say anything else. It is so clear that only those who do not want to see it cannot see it. There is really nothing else to say.

But you said that you believed that ‘God’ is a family made of The Father and Jesus!!?

So, ‘The Word’ was with God: The Father and Jesus…

That then makes THREE PERSONS.

And that also means that Jesus cannot have been ‘The Word’…!

 

[Soapy]

I believe Jesus was not born yet when creation took place.

That’s true. Jesus was born at the time God prophesied for him to be so - after all attempts had been made to find a man from the lineage of Adam who could remain sinless.

None was found and So God created a SECOND ADAM who had no sin and tested him to see if this LAST ADAM would remain sinless, righteous, and holy as in the day Adam was created up until he sinned.

 

[Soapy]

I believe there is no Jesus who was the Word. There is the Word that becomes the Spirit of God in Jesus.

Indeed, the spirit of God was in Jesus Christ.

The spirit is the empowerment of the Father’s Will. It is HIS SPIRIT. And certainly, GOD was IN Jesus by means of His Spirit.
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Jesus is ‘the word of God’ in that he speaks exactly what God taught him to speak. He says exactly what God wanted humanity to hear: HIS WORD - The very word of God almighty.

It was God’s very word that created all things:

• ‘Let there be ….’

And His word put on flesh:

• And it was so just as he spoke… and if was good!

God put flesh on the bones of his word when the prophesied messiah (the servant of God) came to be born:

• ‘Behold my servant in whom I have chosen.
• … I will put my spirit on him and he bring justice to the nations’

These are the ‘bones’ of God’s word regarding a saviour… Where do you see these words and actions FLESHED OUT:

• ‘the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain [on] is the one who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ (John 1:33)
• ‘have seen and I testify that this is God’s Chosen One.’ (John 1:34)

Did God put flesh on the bones of his word to the people of Israel?

 

[wellwisher]

So my question is: why does "God" refer to himself in plural? (Let us create...)

I did some research, and the Trinity isn't even mentioned in the Bible (at least not as "Trinity", there are hints of it). Why would a "God" that claims to be only God refer to what looks like others like him (as if he was one of many; "our likeness")?

*I'm an atheist (just in case)

God is like the Chairman of the Board of a huge corporation that is comprised of many specialty companies. He has other people, who are the CEO's, in charge of day to day operations for each company. God will do Plant visits to meet with his top people; Book of Job.

A smart God first forms a chain of command, so the many tedious things, in the works, can get done, as the big guy plans the next steps. This is why Angels, Lucifer/Satan and the Son are already there.

You first build a good team and then you enter the arena of creation. This diversity of CEO's and companies, explains why things are not perfect, but closer to complete; good and evil, male and female, hot and cold, life and death, etc. The Chairman of the Board heads the steering committee, and he has faith in his teams as he plans the future with bigger goals. Jesus said; to paraphrase, nobody has seen the Chairman except the son; CEO and whomever the CEO takes to meetings; plant managers.

The mistake often made is to assume God is a loner, and did not think ahead to create company for himself, and to make his job easier and more efficient; planning stage. Humans want to believe God, the Chairman of the Board, is assigned to them, alone, since they are so so important. Satan and then Jesus were destined to be their CEO's.

There are now more important fish to fry, like making preparations for the new heaven and earth; Revelations. That takes a lot of planning and may require a new batch of CEO's or they're reeducation, which also needs to be planned. When God says "we", he honors his teams.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

But you said that you believed that ‘God’ is a family made of The Father and Jesus!!?

So, ‘The Word’ was with God: The Father and Jesus…

That then makes THREE PERSONS.

And that also means that Jesus cannot have been ‘The Word’…!

The Bible says the Word became flesh and dwelt on earth among men. That sure sounds like Jesus. So the Word became Jesus. There were only TWO present "in the beginning". The Word and the Father.

 

[Soapy]

The Bible says the Word became flesh and dwelt on earth among men. That sure sounds like Jesus. So the Word became Jesus. There were only TWO present "in the beginning". The Word and the Father.

Where in the Old Testament does it mention Jesus?

 

[Muffled]

That's because you don't actually believe in the trinity.

That's okay, I don't either. Ha!

I don't believe in an idolatrous Trinity but believe in the Biblical Trinity.

 

[Muffled]

The Bible says the Word became flesh and dwelt on earth among men. That sure sounds like Jesus. So the Word became Jesus. There were only TWO present "in the beginning". The Word and the Father.

I believe you are confusing identity with essence. The Word becomes Jesus in identity but Jesus does not become the Word simply because the Word is in Him.

 

[Muffled]

Where in the Old Testament does it mention Jesus?

Zech. 3:8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who sit before you, for they are men who are a sign: behold, I will bring my servant the Branch

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I don't believe in an idolatrous Trinity but believe in the Biblical Trinity.

Can you tell us the difference?

 

[Mark La Buda]

I believe Jesus was not born yet when creation took place.

Consider Colossians 1:15, 17 again; John 17:5, 24; Revelation 3:4.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Consider Colossians 1:15, 17 again; John 17:5, 24; Revelation 3:4.

Jesus as a human man was not born until about 2000 years ago. Be fore that he was the Word. The Word was made flesh. Then he was called by the name Jesus.

 

[Soapy]

Zech. 3:8 Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, you and your friends who sit before you, for they are men who are a sign: behold, I will bring my servant the Branch

Zechariah 3:8… “Soon I am going to bring my servant, the Branch.”

Which one is Jesus: Joshua or the Branch?

 

[Soapy]

The Bible says the Word became flesh and dwelt on earth among men. That sure sounds like Jesus. So the Word became Jesus. There were only TWO present "in the beginning". The Word and the Father.

You are changing your definition of ‘God’.

First you say that God is Father and Son, TWO PERSONS together.

Then you say the word (The Son) of GOD (Father and Son) was WITH GOD (Father and Son).

That logic dictates that The Word is a THIRD person WITH the Father and Son.

And then it is true that the world and all within was created by the word of God:

• ‘Let it be!’
  
• And it was!!
• ‘My word will in no way return to me until it has fulfilled that which I sent it out to do!’

 

[Aupmanyav]

Why would a "God" that claims to be only God refer to what looks like others like him (as if he was one of many; "our likeness")?

There must have been more than one who were disposed by one. Like what usually happened in case of succession of kings.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Who could have guessed that a thread on Genesis 1:26 would turn into endless Christian apologetics using the NT as prooftext. How special.

 

[pearl]

Which one is Jesus: Joshua or the Branch?

Signs of things to come: the restoration of the priesthood is a sign of the expected restoration of the Davidic line. The Branch: a tree metaphor for the expected future ruler as a descendant of the Davidic dynasty.

 

[Soapy]

Signs of things to come: the restoration of the priesthood is a sign of the expected restoration of the Davidic line. The Branch: a tree metaphor for the expected future ruler as a descendant of the Davidic dynasty.

I want the answer from ‘LostWanderingSoul’…!

 

[Soapy]

So my question is: why does "God" refer to himself in plural? (Let us create...)

I did some research, and the Trinity isn't even mentioned in the Bible (at least not as "Trinity", there are hints of it). Why would a "God" that claims to be only God refer to what looks like others like him (as if he was one of many; "our likeness")?

*I'm an atheist (just in case)

Where is the ‘hint’ of a trinity?

 

[Muffled]

Can you tell us the difference?

I believe Idolatry sets the Trinity as three different Spirits but the Bible reveals there is only one in the Trinity.