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Genesis 1

captainbryce

Active Member
Wondering why you are destroying the beauty of the original text with your own unsubstantiated interpretation.
I'm not "destroying" anything. The old text still exists for traditionalist, purist, sentimental types like yourself. I merely provide my interpretation to preempt all those attempting to discredit the validity and logic of God's word in scripture as being some man-made book of ignorance. The scripture actually DOES make sense (when taken consistently and logically). It's the old, traditionalist, "beautiful" interpretation that represents the illogical nonsense that atheists like to attack. But you're entitled to your interpretation nonetheless. I don't see why someone else interpreting it differently than you represents "destruction" in any sense other than melodrama! As far as what is unsubstantiated or not, my interpretation is no more unsubstantiated than yours is. And mine (unlike yours) can actually be reconciled with EVERY creation text in the bible (as well as scientific accounts of creation). Yours cannot!

You cannot use the text of Hellenist written some 500-1000 years later to spin the original text any way you personally see fit.
Nor is that necessary. But instead of these VAGUE accusations that you insist upon providing, why not point out a SPECIFIC area of the Hebrew text DISPROVES my interpretation IF YOU CAN. If you can't, then your words mean nothing. You simply have a difference of opinion than I do.

That and asking if you were YEC is important, because that tells me you do not take a completely literal view. You choose to interpret text in a personal way not followed by Judaism. These text belong to Judaism, and because Christianity uses them, does not make any willy nilly interpretation correct.
I'm not Jewish! If you don't believe in Christ, then there is no point in you arguing with me over my interpretation of scripture. That is a complete waste of time and an entirely different argument (subject to a different thread). I don't argue between different "religions" because those are not winnable arguments for anyone! The crux of your entire argument at this point is attacking me because I'm a Christian. I have no interested in engaging you in such a debate!

You have shown personal bias by discounting the text of Judaism
So you keep saying, yet in many follow up posts you've FAILED to provide ONE example of this. Saying something over and over again does not make it true. If you can provide evidence to support your ATTACK, then please do so. Otherwise, you have no case!

and placing a higher importance on those of later Hellenist far removed from the collection and compilation and redaction of Genesis.
Again, you have provided no evidence to support your accusations against me. But if your entire argument is predicated on the fact that I believe in Jesus Christ as the messiah, then I will not entertain such an argument. Unlike you, I can agree to disagree. But you don't OWN the bible, and your interpretation is no more or less valid than mine (unless you can demonstrate that with a literal translation that directly contradicts something that I've said).
 

captainbryce

Active Member
Then you dont know your own text well enough to understand the differences.
Sir, I don't know you realize just how hostile you are coming off, or if it is actually your intention to be a douche! But I really resent your unsubstantiated accusations against me. Since you are not a Christians, I don't know why you'd ignorantly assume that you know more about Christ, the words of Christ, or the words of his Apostles BETTER than I do. It's very arrogant and condescending. I assure you, I know the New Testament very well, THANK YOU! :rolleyes:

Some Jesus divinity at baptism with John, some birth.
These statements are not relevant in this discussion (unless you'd care to elaborate on how this contradicts anything I've said).
 

captainbryce

Active Member
It's not an interpretation, it's blatantly making up stuff that is not there.
And that's a shame. But again, IF something I have said is made up, I challenge you to prove it. Put your money where your mouth is (cite scriptures that contradict my interpretation) or you have no case! There is no substance to these accusations.
 
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Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

I really rue the day that non-Jews decided to appropriate Jewish scripture for their own.

Someone had to share. Do you think Israel will become the religious hub of the entire Earth by force and secrecy?
 

captainbryce

Active Member
Someone had to share. Do you think Israel will become the religious hub of the entire Earth by force and secrecy?
Sleepy, in their ignorance they're trying to hyjack the topic of discussion. It's not about what Genesis 1 actually says, how it should be interpreted, or how anyone can justify their interpretation, it's about the fact that Jews OWN scripture, and Christianity is a false religion. Clearly that's the discussion they want to have.
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
My "interpretation" is that based on your comments in support of Outhouses comment, the stereotype that Jews are among the most racist people on the face of the planet isn't going to be squashed anytime soon. And that's a shame. But again, IF something I have said is made up, I challenge you to prove it. Put your money where your mouth is (cite scriptures that contradict my interpretation) or you have no case! There is no substance to these accusations.

That's almost funny based on the mass murder of jews from the church and the numerous pogroms of the jews from christians.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Again, you have provided no evidence to support your accusations against me.


Your post is evidence that your making up your own personal scripture because you don't agree with the original text.

And when your doing such your cherry picking your own personal version. I wont even call it a Christian version because they have more respect for the original text then you are showing.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Isn't changing a book in the bible to your own version Blasphemy?


And who gives you the right to change a tradition held sacred by others for thousands of years?
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Sleepy, in their ignorance they're trying to hyjack the topic of discussion. It's not about what Genesis 1 actually says, how it should be interpreted, or how anyone can justify their interpretation, it's about the fact that Jews OWN scripture, and Christianity is a false religion. Clearly that's the discussion they want to have.

I say let them own it, if they are able. God owns the everlasting whole of reality itself.. He obviously gives each of His creations whatever ownership they have.

If the ego of one Jew may speak to the ego of another Jew (or non-Jew), and they disagree in their Scripture, let them recognize Satan, and understand their inheritances from the one God.
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
The Torah, including Genesis, was written by jews, for jews, to be interpreted by jews.

That it's twisted around to fit another religion's believes is nauseating.
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
Someone had to share. Do you think Israel will become the religious hub of the entire Earth by force and secrecy?

The People Israel are not interested in becoming the religious hub of the entire earth. Judaism does not proselytize. We have no interest in convincing non-Jews to convert, or to believe what we believe.

And screw the Gentiles?

Non-Jews should have their own religions and traditions for relating to God. They shouldn't have to appropriate and try to lay claim to ours.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
The People Israel are not interested in becoming the religious hub of the entire earth. Judaism does not proselytize. We have no interest in convincing non-Jews to convert, or to believe what we believe.

Do you separate yourself from the Messiah and His reign over Earth?
 

CMike

Well-Known Member
The People Israel are not interested in becoming the religious hub of the entire earth. Judaism does not proselytize. We have no interest in convincing non-Jews to convert, or to believe what we believe.



Non-Jews should have their own religions and traditions for relating to God. They shouldn't have to appropriate and try to lay claim to ours.

Actually I feel that they are welcome to learn from it.

I don't like them perverting it to fit their beliefs.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
As an anthropologist, I pretty much have to lean in the direction of what the archaeology is telling us.
That is excellent but only so long as you are clear about what it is not telling you. There has been a good deal written on Israelite ethnogenesis since Finkelstein's simplistic (but entertaining) The Bible Unearthed, works that suggest, among other things, a possible southern origin of the YHWH cult, the possible distinction between 'Israelite' and 'Hebrew', and a possible over-simplification of the term 'Canaanite'. Few scholars support the Biblical conquest model, but one can reject that model without embracing resedintarization as the motive force behind the evolution of Judah/Israel.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
And screw the Gentiles?

No.

But they should recognize their Jewish foundation, and real Christians do.


The only problem I have with certain Christians is their literal interpretation, and cherry picking their own text. Its normally not a problem in public or church, but in these forums which represent a minority, there seems to be issues.
 
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