Genesis 2

[outhouse]

Those IAP statements .

Are credible sources.

are you saying

yes Im saying you dont have the intellect to comprehend the debate.

Supply sources. or dont post.

 

[ejalfa]

Adam and Eve become one in the sense they are now united in purpose.
A marriage so to speak...

 

[sincerly]

Adam and Eve become one in the sense they are now united in purpose.
A marriage so to speak...

Hi ejalpha, welcome to the Forums. Yes, that marriage was the first(The pattern for all to follow) and was to be for a life-time. Their purpose was to be the care-takers of the Creator GOD's existing Creation and have dominion over what GOD had created.

That in Love for one another and their Creator.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Those IAP statements .

Are credible sources.

yes Im saying you dont have the intellect to comprehend the debate.

Supply sources. or dont post.

outhouse, are you saying that you do not remember the "sources" you posted?
Those IAP statements which you posted multiple times? and the site for "Theories are facts and ?"

I see that you haven't a fill of "personal attacks".

 

[outhouse]

Not a word of your pathetic rant, refutes a word, or even addresses a word from the AIP.


IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[outhouse]

Because you do not have the intellect to comprehend grade school English.

Welcome to ignore.

Life is to short for stupidity

 

[sincerly]

Not a word of your pathetic rant, refutes a word, or even addresses a word from the AIP.

Outhouse, after all your ranting concerning the use of the "quote feature", you are failing to produce the "rant" OR identifying the one you are addressing in your post.

As far as the IAP, Their statement admits that there are "many precise details" which are unknown; and that their own work/assessment/opinions have not been contradicted by themselves.---Isn't that "circular reasoning/logic"?

All that sort of "logic/reasoning" goes back to the Garden of Eden and the serpent's subtle delusion in playing to Eve's "lusts". Hear and believe what you will, but the Genesis account is still the only truth/fact---confirmed by the rest of the Scriptures over the years since that "Creation of all things".

 

[sincerly]

Because you do not have the intellect to comprehend grade school English.

Welcome to ignore.

Life is to short for stupidity

outhouse, life is short--that is why it is imperative to accept the truth of the "origins of the universe and how life really came to be" rather than the word of speculating deceived human beings.

John 1:1-4,14, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. "

John 6:68-69, "Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God."

Gen.1+2 are still correct. Of course, you/me and all others are free to believe as pleases us.

 

[outhouse]

Your pathetic attempt to refute common knowledge and attack on modern education, due to your severe ignorance, gives me the chance to keep bringing up the facts below to the people of this forums.

Not a word of your pathetic rant, refutes a word, or even addresses a word from the AIP.


IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[sincerly]

Your pathetic attempt to refute common knowledge and attack on modern education, due to your severe ignorance, gives me the chance to keep bringing up the facts below to the people of this forums.

outhouse, the "common knowledge" is that which the IAP statement "admits openly" "Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago...etc."

outhouse,

Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

Those still "unanswered questions" are the problem by which their "theories" can not be transferred into the "FACT" category. They are still opinions/suppositions/theories---NOT Facts--- which they have assumed because they think that closeness is equal to "a ringer".

"Comparative anatomy"/"commonalities" doesn't equate to the multiple complexity and differentially of all that is see in the "All that was made".
The getting from "here to there" was/is contingent upon the "genetic code"/DNA which had to be in that "first microbe" which "spontaneously" appeared in that "elemental pool" which, also, just happened to be the result of a mysterious explosion of nothing to produce the matter that is seen.

The Scriptures state that "GOD spake and it stood fast". Just as my last post recorded---as witnessed by John. Also, as recorded in Gen. 1+2.

 

[outhouse]

The problem here in this thread is you, no one else.

There is no problems with the facts surrounding evolution.

There is no problem in the whole worlds universities that teach evolution and its facts.


The problem lies with the stupidity of people who have closed minds, and are ignorant to the facts they refuse to accept.


You are part of the population that literally wants to drag the USA into the dark ages again, by fighting the current state of education and knowledge.

It makes you a Terrroist against the USA. YOU factually want the people in our great land to fail in global education.

 

[sincerly]

The problem here in this thread is you, no one else.

There is no problems with the facts surrounding evolution.

There is no problem in the whole worlds universities that teach evolution and its facts.

The problem lies with the stupidity of people who have closed minds, and are ignorant to the facts they refuse to accept.

You are part of the population that literally wants to drag the USA into the dark ages again, by fighting the current state of education and knowledge.

It makes you a Terrroist against the USA. YOU factually want the people in our great land to fail in global education.

outhouse, you, again, failed to address who you were addressing. Is that because of certain codes?

I have pointed out those "precise details" which are not known and admitted so.
Because falseness is presented in the "Universities of the world" doesn't make it so.
Minds are not closed to the Educational system, but to the "false philosophies of the source of "all things". The rejection of the 'false source' for the existence of "all things" will not drag the world into the "dark ages", but the evil that is in the minds of the world's population will bring about the Scriptural predicted end to all things.---Even so, Come!

Rev.14:6-7, "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

Yes, Gen. 1+2 are still truth.

 

[outhouse]

You are part of the population that literally wants to drag the USA into the dark ages again, by fighting the current state of education and knowledge.

It makes you a Terrroist against the USA. YOU factually want the people in our great land to fail in global education.

 

[sincerly]

You are part of the population that literally wants to drag the USA into the dark ages again, by fighting the current state of education and knowledge.

It makes you a Terrroist against the USA. YOU factually want the people in our great land to fail in global education.

As the Kingdom of GOD, those Scriptures tell of a better world---where LOVE reigns. Where the mind and heart have no animosity, envy, strife, but all is peace---and true knowledge is readily available.

 

[Sonofason]

You are part of the population that literally wants to drag the USA into the dark ages again, by fighting the current state of education and knowledge.

It makes you a Terrroist against the USA. YOU factually want the people in our great land to fail in global education.

Where are you guys going with this? I thought this thread was about Genesis 2. And from that you're calling someone a terrorist? This is pathetic.

Now we come into the second instalment in this series. By the way, if you were wondering why I called it Bible Facepalm...it is because I cannot believe I am reading the bible lol.

I posted the first instalment which people suggested I consider Jewish and Christian commentary before responding I think this was a fair suggestion. So I will be doing that from now on.

Genesis 2
Adam and Eve
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+2&version=NIV

My Thoughts
This chapter kind of repeats chapter 1 in more detail, more so with the creation of Adam and Eve. I read through both the Jewish and Christian commentaries which was interesting. I will provide links for these at the bottom of this post. So here are my thoughts based on all of this...

There isn’t really a lot that can be said about this chapter other than a few questions that were raised in my mind such as;
- “Why would god place a tree in the garden only to forbid them from touching it?”
- “Didn’t god lie about what would happen if they ate from the forbidden tree? Or was it that he didn’t know what would happen? If he didn’t know, doesn’t this go against the understanding of what god is”
- “Are women seen as the lower gender because they were not created from dust/dirt but instead the bone of a man?”
- “They felt no shame? Does that indicate that they should have felt shame or was it a setup for when they eat the fruit?”

It was interesting to note that it was interpreted that the two flesh becoming one was not speaking of the physical act but more a reference to them both coming together in the form of a child.



http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8165#showrashi=true
http://www.christnotes.org/commentary.php?com=mhc&b=1&c=2

 

[outhouse]

Not a word of your pathetic rant, refutes a word, or even addresses a word from the AIP.


IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[Thief]

Not a word of your pathetic rant, refutes a word, or even addresses a word from the AIP.


IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

You have become a parrot.

 

[sincerly]

You have become a parrot.

Hi Thief, with his multiple usage of "", I would say that he can not "see"---therefore, a "parroting" "ostrich".

Which takes us back to Gen. 1+2,Eve "saw" that which she wanted to see---a delusion/beguiling by wrong information.

 

[outhouse]

Normal people can read for themselves and comprehend quite well.

 

[sincerly]

Normal people can read for themselves and comprehend quite well.

Agreed, nor do normal people have to resort to personal attacks in their answers.