Genesis 2

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by Muffled View Post
Please draw me a picture. I see no technique in chapter two.

First God doesn't have to theorize because He already knows everything so the very first part of science is not necessary for God.

Really?.....
Chapter One ends with Man set free.....
go forth be fruitful and multiply....
dominate all things....
male and female....

No names, no garden, no law.....

Muffled, Thief, Genesis 1+2 are a doing and recapitulation of what was done on Creation week---those seven days. The Creation of the world and all that in/on it was accomplished(The technique). However, on the seventh day, another dimension was given. The "making/instituting" the Blessing/Sanctification of that seventh day as the Sabbath day of the Lord GOD. That completed the Creation week.
In 2:4, GOD is giving the "technique"/details of how it was all put together.
Adam and Eve were not just left looking at it all, but a special place had been purposefully (by technique---continued use of science) provided a beautiful garden home.

They were to procreate---reproduce more of mankind to populate the earth.
The were already "free" with an ability to choose right/Obedience or evil/disobedience and death.
With the establishment of the Sabbath, GOD gave them their does and don'ts. (consisting of all the Decalogue---since all are found in Scripture prior to Sinai.)

Chapter Two is a story of manipulation....in isolated conditions.
A chosen specimen, anesthesia, surgery, cloning, and genetic manipulation.

A deliberate effort to alter the body and spirit of Man.

Adam was a chosen son of God.
His body was altered and then cloned.
Adam was given his twin sister for a bride.
Eve is not born of woman.
No navel.

Let's understand that the "manipulation" was to technically/scientifically fulfill the purpose for which GOD HAD Created "all that is seen". Yes, by GOD, took out of mankind(Adam) the mate for him, (compatible with HIS wishes---to be one with him in fleshly pursuits and Spiritually--still with the "free-will").
True Eve wasn't formed in the womb---to have a navel. BUT neither was Adam.

The "deliberate effort to alter the body and spirit of man" came about by and through the choices of Adam and Eve---NOT the "Making of EVE".

 

[outhouse]

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[Thief]

Let's understand that the "manipulation" was to technically/scientifically fulfill the purpose for which GOD HAD Created "all that is seen". Yes, by GOD, took out of mankind(Adam) the mate for him, (compatible with HIS wishes---to be one with him in fleshly pursuits and Spiritually--still with the "free-will").
True Eve wasn't formed in the womb---to have a navel. BUT neither was Adam.

The "deliberate effort to alter the body and spirit of man" came about by and through the choices of Adam and Eve---NOT the "Making of EVE".

Nope....it doesn't read that way.
Man on Day Six....male and female......no names.....no law.....no garden.

Day Seven....rest.
And after that nothing more will be created.

Chapter Two is not a retelling of Chapter One.

Adam is a chosen son of God (specimen).

That Man is made of dust is true for all of us.

 

[sincerly]

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

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""""still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change,""""

Like---Life doesn't come from non-life. And where did that non-life material come from?
AH! Yes, from those unproven "theories".

 

[outhouse]

Post #2082, reflects the REAL world and the current state of education on the subject.

Don't like it? to bad, the world moves forward, as mythology and religious concepts are ditched for reality.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post Let's understand that the "manipulation" was to technically/scientifically fulfill the purpose for which GOD HAD Created "all that is seen".
Yes, by GOD, took out of mankind(Adam) the mate for him, (compatible with HIS wishes---to be one with him in fleshly pursuits and Spiritually--still with the "free-will").
True Eve wasn't formed in the womb---to have a navel. BUT neither was Adam.

The "deliberate effort to alter the body and spirit of man" came about by and through the choices of Adam and Eve---NOT the "Making of EVE".

Nope....it doesn't read that way.
Man on Day Six....male and female......no names.....no law.....no garden.

Day Seven....rest.
And after that nothing more will be created.

Chapter Two is not a retelling of Chapter One.

Adam is a chosen son of God (specimen).

That Man is made of dust is true for all of us.

Thief, I'm sure that you are aware, that originally, there were NO chapters and verses in the writings? Therefore, in the writing of the events of creation week, day seven would NOT have been a separate and different account of those events. But, just as written,(2:4), "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"

That is referring to day one.

Gen1:26-27, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them".

This was on day six and it was not two sets of persons who were created/made. (2:7)tells the giving of life to that "formed dust". vs.18 then gives the details of Eve's being brought to life.

"Specimen" would indicate one of many, BUT Adam was the initial "in our image". Adam was created with no flaws---"very good". GOD has NO Flaws.

 

[sincerly]

Post #2082, reflects the REAL world and the current state of education on the subject.

Don't like it? to bad, the world moves forward, as mythology and religious concepts are ditched for reality.

My post#2084 answered that post#2082, but the real world, as you call it, was addressed many years ago in 2Tim. 4:3-4, "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

As the world rushes madly forward(??), Truth is trampled upon.
The "waymarks" have long been in place for the truth seeker to see and observe.

 

[Thief]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post Let's understand that the "manipulation" was to technically/scientifically fulfill the purpose for which GOD HAD Created "all that is seen".
Yes, by GOD, took out of mankind(Adam) the mate for him, (compatible with HIS wishes---to be one with him in fleshly pursuits and Spiritually--still with the "free-will").
True Eve wasn't formed in the womb---to have a navel. BUT neither was Adam.

The "deliberate effort to alter the body and spirit of man" came about by and through the choices of Adam and Eve---NOT the "Making of EVE".



Thief, I'm sure that you are aware, that originally, there were NO chapters and verses in the writings? Therefore, in the writing of the events of creation week, day seven would NOT have been a separate and different account of those events. But, just as written,(2:4), "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"

That is referring to day one.

Gen1:26-27, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them".

This was on day six and it was not two sets of persons who were created/made. (2:7)tells the giving of life to that "formed dust". vs.18 then gives the details of Eve's being brought to life.

"Specimen" would indicate one of many, BUT Adam was the initial "in our image". Adam was created with no flaws---"very good". GOD has NO Flaws.

I see you lean on the dogma rather hard.

Read it again.....and this time......set aside what you think you must hold as true.

You will find the scenario as I did.
And it's still true.

You are not going to surrender your faith or belief.
It will simply turn to stone.

Next step up...find that ground where the cornerstone can be well seated.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Originally Posted by sincerly View Post Let's understand that the "manipulation" was to technically/scientifically fulfill the purpose for which GOD HAD Created "all that is seen".
Yes, by GOD, took out of mankind(Adam) the mate for him, (compatible with HIS wishes---to be one with him in fleshly pursuits and Spiritually--still with the "free-will").
True Eve wasn't formed in the womb---to have a navel. BUT neither was Adam.

The "deliberate effort to alter the body and spirit of man" came about by and through the choices of Adam and Eve---NOT the "Making of EVE".



Thief, I'm sure that you are aware, that originally, there were NO chapters and verses in the writings? Therefore, in the writing of the events of creation week, day seven would NOT have been a separate and different account of those events. But, just as written,(2:4), "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"

That is referring to day one.

Gen1:26-27, "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them".

This was on day six and it was not two sets of persons who were created/made. (2:7)tells the giving of life to that "formed dust". vs.18 then gives the details of Eve's being brought to life.

"Specimen" would indicate one of many, BUT Adam was the initial "in our image". Adam was created with no flaws---"very good". GOD has NO Flaws.

I see you lean on the dogma rather hard.

Read it again.....and this time......set aside what you think you must hold as true.

You will find the scenario as I did.
And it's still true.

You are not going to surrender your faith or belief.
It will simply turn to stone.

Next step up...find that ground where the cornerstone can be well seated.

Thief, Yes, I do---not only lean on the principles set down as the foundation of Creation , but am firmly abiding in those Principles given BY GOD in all phases of my relationship with HIM.
What GOD said was/IS truth. To believe otherwise, would be to deny HIM.

The "cornerstone" has already been set---long ago.

 

[Thief]

"Specimen" would indicate one of many, BUT Adam was the initial "in our image". Adam was created with no flaws---"very good". GOD has NO Flaws.



Thief, Yes, I do---not only lean on the principles set down as the foundation of Creation , but am firmly abiding in those Principles given BY GOD in all phases of my relationship with HIM.
What GOD said was/IS truth. To believe otherwise, would be to deny HIM.

The "cornerstone" has already been set---long ago.

Man was made with flaws.
If God had formed an image identical in reflection.....that would be .....
Himself, looking in a mirror, in a spiritual level.....no flesh.

That Man is flesh means he is flawed.
He is LESS than the angels.

But maybe you've noticed....being spiritual doesn't mean you can't have flaws.

When God proclaimed the creation of Man as good....He had something in mind.
It was not perfection.

We were never intended to be exact reflections.....just an image.

 

[sincerly]

Man was made with flaws.
If God had formed an image identical in reflection.....that would be .....
Himself, looking in a mirror, in a spiritual level.....no flesh.

That Man is flesh means he is flawed.
He is LESS than the angels.

But maybe you've noticed....being spiritual doesn't mean you can't have flaws.

When God proclaimed the creation of Man as good....He had something in mind.
It was not perfection.

We were never intended to be exact reflections.....just an image.

Thief, there were no flaws in GOD'S Creation. there was a freedom of choice given and mankind choose to disobey which resulted in the Death penalty.

Had Mankind remained faithlul and obedient then there never would have been any of the "curses" which are seen daily. Satan would have been defeated at that time. The Cross now shows that Satan and his fellow rebellious angels had a way to repent and return to GOD'S Favor--MERCY in love.---they choose not to accept---final execution awaits.

 

[Thief]

Thief, there were no flaws in GOD'S Creation. there was a freedom of choice given and mankind choose to disobey which resulted in the Death penalty.

Had Mankind remained faithlul and obedient then there never would have been any of the "curses" which are seen daily. Satan would have been defeated at that time. The Cross now shows that Satan and his fellow rebellious angels had a way to repent and return to GOD'S Favor--MERCY in love.---they choose not to accept---final execution awaits.

Leaving the garden would appear as a curse.
From ideal living conditions to hands on fend for yourself......

We were never going to live forever physically.

To live beyond death you have to be curious about it.

If you are focused on life in this world, crossing over might prove difficult.

Choosing to know....as death is pending...is proof we can survive the last breath.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Thief, there were no flaws in GOD'S Creation. there was a freedom of choice given and mankind choose to disobey which resulted in the Death penalty.

Had Mankind remained faithlul and obedient then there never would have been any of the "curses" which are seen daily. Satan would have been defeated at that time. The Cross now shows that Satan and his fellow rebellious angels had a way to repent and return to GOD'S Favor--MERCY in love.---they choose not to accept---final execution awaits.

Leaving the garden would appear as a curse.
From ideal living conditions to hands on fend for yourself......

We were never going to live forever physically.

To live beyond death you have to be curious about it.

If you are focused on life in this world, crossing over might prove difficult.

Choosing to know....as death is pending...is proof we can survive the last breath.

Thief, there were other conditions which the "curse" produced which were "not ideal as they had been",
Yes, the Creator Gods acknowledged that, as created, Mankind was to live forever. Gen. 3:22, "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"
Had they not been disobedient---that "tree of life" would have been accessible.

To live beyond death, it isn't just curiosity, but confessing of sins, repenting of them, and surrendering to the Will of the Father. Without that process, one cannot choose to have a place in the reality which is beyond that "last breath".

 

[Thief]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Thief, there were no flaws in GOD'S Creation. there was a freedom of choice given and mankind choose to disobey which resulted in the Death penalty.

Had Mankind remained faithlul and obedient then there never would have been any of the "curses" which are seen daily. Satan would have been defeated at that time. The Cross now shows that Satan and his fellow rebellious angels had a way to repent and return to GOD'S Favor--MERCY in love.---they choose not to accept---final execution awaits.



Thief, there were other conditions which the "curse" produced which were "not ideal as they had been",
Yes, the Creator Gods acknowledged that, as created, Mankind was to live forever. Gen. 3:22, "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"
Had they not been disobedient---that "tree of life" would have been accessible.

To live beyond death, it isn't just curiosity, but confessing of sins, repenting of them, and surrendering to the Will of the Father. Without that process, one cannot choose to have a place in the reality which is beyond that "last breath".

The usual confusion.....
We are intended to live forever in spirit.
The body is corrupt and will fail.

The garden event was an effort to change the body and spirit of Man.

Otherwise we would have overrun the planet's resources long before our spiritual character would have evolved.

All fall short of grace.
The choice that matters belongs to heaven.

 

[outhouse]

Reality lies within.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

 

[Thief]

Reality lies within.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

Denial comes from within.

 

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Thief, there were no flaws in GOD'S Creation. there was a freedom of choice given and mankind choose to disobey which resulted in the Death penalty.

Had Mankind remained faithlul and obedient then there never would have been any of the "curses" which are seen daily. Satan would have been defeated at that time. The Cross now shows that Satan and his fellow rebellious angels had a way to repent and return to GOD'S Favor--MERCY in love.---they choose not to accept---final execution awaits.

Thief, there were other conditions which the "curse" produced which were "not ideal as they had been",
Yes, the Creator Gods acknowledged that, as created, Mankind was to live forever. Gen. 3:22, "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"
Had they not been disobedient---that "tree of life" would have been accessible.

To live beyond death, it isn't just curiosity, but confessing of sins, repenting of them, and surrendering to the Will of the Father. Without that process, one cannot choose to have a place in the reality which is beyond that "last breath".

The usual confusion.....
We are intended to live forever in spirit.
The body is corrupt and will fail.

The garden event was an effort to change the body and spirit of Man.

Otherwise we would have overrun the planet's resources long before our spiritual character would have evolved.

All fall short of grace.
The choice that matters belongs to heaven.

Thief, Mankind(Adam and Eve) was made "flesh and blood". It was they who would have lived forever. Yes, they were to live in the "spirit of Holiness and Righteousness"--a summation of the Characteristics of the GOD who made them.

GOD'S Choice is well known---that all repent and submit to the Will of the Father. It is mankind who makes the decision to Repent or remain in rebellion.
GOD'S Grace awaits all who agree with HIS Righteous laws of LOVE.

 

[outhouse]

Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision.

 

[sincerly]

Reality lies within.

IAP - IAP Statement on the Teaching of Evolution

We agree that the following evidence-based facts about the origins and evolution of the Earth and of life on this planet have been established by numerous observations and independently derived experimental results from a multitude of scientific disciplines. Even if there are still many open questions about the precise details of evolutionary change, scientific evidence has never contradicted these results:

•In a universe that has evolved towards its present configuration for some 11 to 15 billion years, our Earth formed approximately 4.5 billion years ago.
•Since its formation, the Earth – its geology and its environments – has changed under the effect of numerous physical and chemical forces and continues to do so.
•Life appeared on Earth at least 2.5 billion years ago. The evolution, soon after, of photosynthetic organisms enabled, from at least 2 billion years ago, the slow transformation of the atmosphere to one containing substantial quantities of oxygen. In addition to the release of the oxygen that we breathe, the process of photosynthesis is the ultimate source of fixed energy and food upon which human life on the planet depends.
•Since its first appearance on Earth, life has taken many forms, all of which continue to evolve, in ways which palaeontology and the modern biological and biochemical sciences are describing and independently confirming with increasing precision. Commonalities in the structure of the genetic code of all organisms living today, including humans, clearly indicate their common primordial origin.

Outhouse, the "reality" can only be within one who has been following the Scriptural truths of GOD ---and NOT the unproven suppositions of the machinations of mankind.---You know---those lacking "details".

A counterfeit bill came off a printing press and has a lot of the commonalities of the real "bill", but it is still false.

 

[Thief]

Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Originally Posted by sincerly View Post
Thief, there were no flaws in GOD'S Creation. there was a freedom of choice given and mankind choose to disobey which resulted in the Death penalty.

Had Mankind remained faithlul and obedient then there never would have been any of the "curses" which are seen daily. Satan would have been defeated at that time. The Cross now shows that Satan and his fellow rebellious angels had a way to repent and return to GOD'S Favor--MERCY in love.---they choose not to accept---final execution awaits.

Thief, there were other conditions which the "curse" produced which were "not ideal as they had been",
Yes, the Creator Gods acknowledged that, as created, Mankind was to live forever. Gen. 3:22, "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:"
Had they not been disobedient---that "tree of life" would have been accessible.

To live beyond death, it isn't just curiosity, but confessing of sins, repenting of them, and surrendering to the Will of the Father. Without that process, one cannot choose to have a place in the reality which is beyond that "last breath".



Thief, Mankind(Adam and Eve) was made "flesh and blood". It was they who would have lived forever. Yes, they were to live in the "spirit of Holiness and Righteousness"--a summation of the Characteristics of the GOD who made them.

GOD'S Choice is well known---that all repent and submit to the Will of the Father. It is mankind who makes the decision to Repent or remain in rebellion.
GOD'S Grace awaits all who agree with HIS Righteous laws of LOVE.

No one is good but the Father.

Too much dogmatic recital on your part.